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Feds packing heat on planes: A safety issue?
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| Friday, January 9, 2004
Posted on 01/09/2004 12:36:43 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Its crazy. Pilots should be treated exactly the same as federal personnel are when it comes to carrying concealed weapons on board an airplane. One can argue they have even more reason to be armed than the feds.
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posted on
01/09/2004 3:02:56 AM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: JohnHuang2
The Air marshals shouldn't use guns. Why not? Because firing a gun at those altitudes will doom the plane pretty much. Maybe if they carry guns to threaten goons that cdarry guns but they should be trained to mostly use non-ballistic weapons, whether that be knives or martial arts or whatever,
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posted on
01/09/2004 3:08:45 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: Cronos
Because firing a gun at those altitudes will doom the plane pretty much.
False! Blackbird.
To: Cronos
Because firing a gun at those altitudes will doom the plane pretty much. No, it would not. Explosive decompression from a small hole is strictly a hollywood movie myth, just like bullets that spark on impact.
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posted on
01/09/2004 6:32:45 AM PST
by
GingisK
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To: Cronos
Because firing a gun at those altitudes will doom the plane pretty much. How? What proof can you site for that conclusion? Any sources?
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posted on
01/09/2004 5:10:37 PM PST
by
Diddle E. Squat
(www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
To: JohnHuang2
I dunno...it just irritates the heck out of me that civilians who really do have the training and experience to carry aboard aren't allowed to, but folks with a federal ticket can no matter what their level of training. But even so, guns in the plane make it safer from hijackers than no guns, even if they're on the belt of some EPA dweeb who shoots himself in the leg when he holsters his.
To: Diddle E. Squat
A gun shot breaks open a window or punctures a hole in the fuselage, what do you think happens?
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:29:10 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: Skyler Shegonee
Liberal?? I'm not saying we should ban guns on the ground. Even a gun fired on an aircraft at a safe altitude will not shatter windows, causing the air pressure to decrease. YOU read up on the fact that the air pressure is different between the atmosphere in the plane flying at a certain height and that outside.
Sheesh, I suppose you're hte guy who asks stewardesses if you can open the window...
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:32:28 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: Skyler Shegonee
If a terrorist hijacks a train -- use a guna nd blow his brains out, no worries. Use a gun on a plane, blow the t's braisn out and you may shatter a window, causing the air to get suckeed out, maybe ripping the fuselage (if the aircraft is pretty old and the metal is badly stressed), killing those folks you were supposed to save.
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:34:34 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: JohnHuang2
"It's just crazy," Capt. Greg Rice, a pilot with American Airlines, told WorldNetDaily. "[Federal agents] don't need guns on my airplane or in the terminal." That should read, "Capt. Greg Rice, a NEUTERED pilot..."
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:35:39 AM PST
by
Fledermaus
(We gave the Saudi terrorist VISAS, let's make them guest workers now also!)
To: Skyler Shegonee
HEre's a site for folks who shoot their mouth off and dont' bother to read: http://www.maclean-nj.com/opinions/stories/21.htm
MArshalls yes, but use other techniques that have a greater chance of saving all the folks in the aircraft.
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:40:20 AM PST
by
Cronos
(W2004!)
To: Cronos
If a bullet managed to penetrate the aircraft skin or a window, yes the aircraft would decompress but that is why every aircraft has oxygen masks. What we see in the movies where a 9mm causes a chunk 5 seat rows long to break off is not very likely. Perhaps something like a .44 or .50 magnum to just the right structural joint might do major damage but those guns are just a bit hard to conceal.
Also, I'm pretty sure the bullets the sky marshals and pilots carry in their gun are frangible and designed not to penetrate anything except soft targets such as a human body.
To: JohnHuang2
I think every passenger should be issued a 4 ft. spear when boarding.
Any terrorists showing their faces will be looking like big pin cushions at the destination.
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:44:33 AM PST
by
HP8753
(Some companies should be happy with four sigma)
To: Cronos
So, umm, your source of information is, uhh, what, some blog?
Could a couple of holes from the biggest bullets in the world about a half-inch in diameter cause an explosive decompression? Not really. The higher pressure cabin air would start to leak out, but the difference between the inside and the outside air pressure would not be sufficient to rip the planes frame apart.
There is only one known instance in which a bullet hole in an aircraft frame yanked objects across the plane, expanded, and sucked a person out into the sky. That was the James Bond movie Goldfinger. The movie was not intended to teach real-life lessons about physics.
Dave Kopel's article from the National Review
It would seem to me that someone who has been on this site as long as yourself would check facts before coming out with such phrases as 'Here's a site for folks who shoot their mouth off and don't bother to read'.
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posted on
01/10/2004 12:56:33 AM PST
by
kingu
(Remember: Politicians and members of the press are going to read what you write today.)
To: JohnHuang2
Rice flew on Christmas Day during a heightened state of alert around the world. He said if he had received notice a federal agent named "Akmed Ahmed" was flying on his plane with a gun, he would have protested. "I'm not going to let Akmed Ahmed fly on my plane with a gun," he said. If Rice is still flying for American by the end of next week after making that statement to a reporter, I'll be surprised.
To: Cronos
"A gun shot breaks open a window or punctures a hole in the fuselage, what do you think happens?"Some air leaks out very slowly through the tiny hole, and unless the pilot drops to below 10,000 feet within 15 minutes or so, those little yellow oxygen masks might drop down and alarm the passengers.
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posted on
01/10/2004 1:15:03 AM PST
by
Fabozz
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