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New Bid Fails To Raise Beagle (Mars)
Ananova ^ | 1-9-2004

Posted on 01/09/2004 8:30:20 PM PST by blam

New bid fails to raise Beagle

Scientists say two further attempts to contact Britain's Beagle 2 Mars probe have failed.

The craft's mothership, Mars Express, flew over the landing site at 12.50pm yesterday and 1.27pm today but heard no signal.

Mars Express was in its most sensitive listening mode. Hopes of finding the lander, which has been missing since Christmas Day, are now fading fast.

More passes will be made tomorrow at 2.04pm and on Monday at 2.02am.

Story filed: 18:10 Friday 9th January 2004


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beagle; beagle2; bid; fails; mars; new; raise
Does not look good for the Beagle.

Meanwhile, 'Spirit' is stuck in the 'mud'...and, Opportunity is in-bound with it's Mars landing scheduled for, 1-24-2004.

1 posted on 01/09/2004 8:30:21 PM PST by blam
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2 posted on 01/09/2004 8:32:32 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Hi Mom! Hi Dad!)
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To: blam
"Beagle - phone home."
3 posted on 01/09/2004 8:33:06 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: William Creel
Visually or electronically (by radio, for telemetry, etc)?
5 posted on 01/09/2004 8:36:58 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: William Creel
Recently, there were visual images taken of craft that had landed there previously (through the use of Mars orbiting satellite) - I assume that the same techniques could be used to view either Beagle or the debris field that resulted from a muffed landing ...
7 posted on 01/09/2004 8:47:55 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: William Creel
There will be other attempts to contact Beagle 2 over the next several days. Besides more radio contact attempts, another method will be photo-recon to search for the location of the rover and/or parachute on the surface using the high-res camera in the Mars Express orbiter. They also intend to use a Mars Express instrument to search for ammonia in the area of the landing zone because the air bags protecting Beagle 2 are filled with ammonia. I find it especially interesting that one step in the attempt will involve cooperation with the JPL MER team. The Beagle 2 team will ask JPL to command Spirit to transmit briefly on a frequency that Beagle 2 uses while a European radio telescope listens. That will confirm if it’s a viable search method for Beagle 2.
8 posted on 01/09/2004 8:48:12 PM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: blam
I heard the Brits made the Beagle 2 lander out of "fiberboard" (cardboard) to save project costs. Anyone else hear this?
9 posted on 01/09/2004 8:50:18 PM PST by Hiwayman
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To: Unmarked Package
"That will confirm if it’s a viable search method for Beagle 2."

Interesting test...I'm sure our guys are glad to help.

10 posted on 01/09/2004 8:54:20 PM PST by blam
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To: Hiwayman
"I heard the Brits made the Beagle 2 lander out of "fiberboard" (cardboard) to save project costs. Anyone else hear this?"

I don't know but, I trust their scientists decisions.

11 posted on 01/09/2004 8:57:06 PM PST by blam
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To: Hiwayman
If it does the job, there's no reason not to.
12 posted on 01/09/2004 8:59:38 PM PST by Professional Engineer (The meek can have the Earth. I want the stars.)
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To: blam
Meanwhile, 'Spirit' is stuck in the 'mud'..

You are kidding of course ???

13 posted on 01/09/2004 9:00:58 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: blam
Please give us an update on "Spirit".
14 posted on 01/09/2004 9:03:46 PM PST by mickie
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To: Unmarked Package
The Beagle 2 team will ask JPL to command Spirit to transmit briefly on a frequency that Beagle 2 uses while a European radio telescope listens.

What - the 'radio telescope' used by the Europeans isn't "frequency agile" and able to be tuned to the 'downlink' frequency used by Spirit - thereby validating the 'radio path' from Mars back to Earth?

15 posted on 01/09/2004 9:04:07 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: mickie
"Please give us an update on "Spirit"."

Go here for an update.

16 posted on 01/09/2004 9:20:37 PM PST by blam
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To: tubebender
"You are kidding of course ???"

No...it's their word, 'mud.' After they had crunched up the air bags they noticed a patch of something like 'folded mud' underneath. Now, I don't think anyone thinks it's mud but, no-one can explain what it is and why it looks like mud.

17 posted on 01/09/2004 9:28:11 PM PST by blam
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To: _Jim
What - the 'radio telescope' used by the Europeans isn't "frequency agile" and able to be tuned to the 'downlink' frequency used by Spirit - thereby validating the 'radio path' from Mars back to Earth?

It's my understanding the purpose of the test is to simulate as closely as possible, using Spirit, the signal frequency and strength they expect the Beagle 2 presents from the surface of Mars (if it's transmitting) and try to detect it with the radio telescope on Earth. It's an attempt to remove as many variables from the test conditions relative to the real objective and prove that the problem rests with the Beagle 2 rover and not with the search methodology.

18 posted on 01/09/2004 9:30:49 PM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: blam
I saw those pics on a thread and I wondered if it would build up on the tires and cause a problem.

Of course they could have found the source of Play Doh...
19 posted on 01/09/2004 9:36:58 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: tubebender
"I saw those pics on a thread and I wondered if it would build up on the tires and cause a problem."

Yeah, me too. Someone said that it would not be rolling fast enough to sling the 'mud' all over.

20 posted on 01/09/2004 9:47:39 PM PST by blam
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To: tubebender

Picture of Mars 'mud.'

21 posted on 01/09/2004 9:53:41 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The soil seems to be a mystery? Mud? Impressions left in it? When will the scientists be able to analyze the soil?
22 posted on 01/09/2004 9:58:59 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: The Westerner
We outta start getting some pretty good data in about 10-14 days...that's my estimate, BTW.
23 posted on 01/09/2004 10:02:36 PM PST by blam
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To: Unmarked Package
Thank you for your reply.

I was curious as to what the specifics were for all the uplinking and downlinking taking place between the several orbiting satellites around Mars and the Earth-based DSN (Deep Space Network) 'dishes' and the various rovers on Mars proper - and discovered this:

Red Planet Calling: How Mars Probes Phone Home

By Tariq Malik
Staff Writer
posted: 06:00 am ET
08 October 2003

With four spacecraft from three space agencies on the way to Mars, a communications crunch at the Red Planet is hardly unexpected. But managers of NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) believe they are ready to handle the traffic.

The network is Earth's prime hotline for planetary and deep space missions launched by NASA and other space agencies. It includes tracking stations in Australia, Spain and California responsible for receiving signals from all of the Mars probes, as well as the Cassini mission to Saturn and Stardust's Wild-2 comet rendezvous among others.

"We've made all of our transmitters uniform to spread the [communications] load out better," said Rich Miller, manager of Office of Plans and Commitments NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena California. "And we're perfecting a way to track the Mars missions in particular." Miller's office is part of JPL?s Interplanetary Network Directorate responsible for the DSN.

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Express call from Mars

ESA's Mars Express, an orbiter that also carries the British landing probe Beagle 2, is expected to reach the Mars sometime around Dec. 25. Like the other Mars-bound probes, Mars Express is using the DSN as its communications lifeline with Earth. It is not, however, ESA's only means of deep space communication.

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Unlike Mars Express, Beagle 2 cannot communicate directly with Earth and will relay signals via the orbiting Mars Express and the aid of two NASA satellites, Mars Odyssey and Mars Global Surveyor (MGS), already circling the planet. Once Beagle 2 lands on the surface of Mars' Isidis Planitia, for example, it will begin broadcasting a nine-tone call sign composed by the rock group Blur until Odyssey receives and relays it back to Earth.

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Fetching signals on two fronts

Rounding out the Mars mission mayhem are NASA's two identical MER rovers, Spirit and Opportunity, expected to land in January 2004. Both rovers contain two methods of communication, one for Mars-Earth messages and another for Mars-Mars orbit.

"In cruise and prior to arrival at Mars, the rovers use only the X-band system and broadcast with high and low gain antennas," said Matt Wallace, surface mission manager for Opportunity.

Once on the Martian surface, the rovers can communicate with Earth directly with their onboard X-band systems, or up to MGS of Odyssey using a UHF antenna. "We get four chances to reach the orbiters each day; two for MGS and two for Odyssey," Wallace said.

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Entire article:

www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/calling_mars_031008.html

24 posted on 01/09/2004 10:05:12 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: blam
Earth bound word for that...Pyroclastic.

It really has the look of a mud flat that has not totally dried yet...
25 posted on 01/09/2004 10:22:02 PM PST by tubebender (Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see...)
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To: blam
"It's dead, Jim."


27 posted on 01/10/2004 2:32:24 AM PST by Ichneumon
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