FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY PAUL ONEILL SAYS INVASION OF IRAQ WAS PLANNED IN THE FIRST DAYS...

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[joesbucks]

The President didn't do a sales job (i.e. "lie") to the American people.

I'm glad you feel that way. I've seen that sold here more times than I would like. That is pretty disingenious.

The President didn't do a sales job (i.e. "lie") to the American people.

I can live with that. But from what was pretty sound assurance as it was building to the liberation til now, so much has dripped out that keeps slowly undermining our position then. That's troubling. Yes, there certainly was intelligence failure. Lot's of that came from people that want to take over the country once the elections are held. Funny, but since we are going to have a hand in the candidates, and some of those candidates are the very folks who gave us the less than hard information. Funny way to reward folks for bad info. Where I work, it's called screw up and move up.

Again, your position may be right. I'm inclined to believe that while I'm glad Sadaam is gone, the reasons we used to intiate the action keep being less and less real. Troubling.

[joesbucks]

The President didn't do a sales job (i.e. "lie") to the American people.

I'm glad you feel that way. I've seen that sold here more times than I would like. That is pretty disingenious.

The President didn't do a sales job (i.e. "lie") to the American people.

I can live with that. But from what was pretty sound assurance as it was building to the liberation til now, so much has dripped out that keeps slowly undermining our position then. That's troubling. Yes, there certainly was intelligence failure. Lot's of that came from people that want to take over the country once the elections are held. Funny, but since we are going to have a hand in the candidates, and some of those candidates are the very folks who gave us the less than hard information. Funny way to reward folks for bad info. Where I work, it's called screw up and move up.

Again, your position may be right. I'm inclined to believe that while I'm glad Sadaam is gone, the reasons we used to intiate the action keep being less and less real. Troubling.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me .. are you saying that conservatives want this stuff covered up ..?? You've got your head in the sand.

Remember when Nixon was in office .. and there was an "impeachment inquiry" in the House ..?? WHAT DID THE REPUBLICANS DO .. LOOK IT UP .. the republicans went to the White House and demanded Nixon resign. He did! And .. as it turned out .. there was NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO BRING THE IMPEACHMENT!!!

Now .. remember when Clinton was in office .. and there was an "impeachment inquiry" in the House ..?? WHAT DID THE DEMOCRATS DO .. LOOK IT UP .. the democrats obstructed justice .. lied .. stalled .. covered up .. you name it they did it. Most democrats even denied Clinton had done anything wrong - even after seeing the tape where Clinton lied under oath. NOT ONE DEMOCRAT WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND DEMANDED CLINTON RESIGN. Why ..?? Because the democrats cared more about staying in power than they did in kicking out the Liar in Chief!

As for keeping dirt, etc covered up .. I DON'T CARE WHAT PARTY THEY BELONG TO .. IT'S NEVER THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I'm not covering for Bush .. as you seem to imply .. I'm saying .. Bush has been in office for 3 years .. doesn't it seem likely these things would have already leaked out if O'Neill's allegations are true.

As for "reporting news" I'm all for that .. but PAUL O'NEILL'S OPINIONS OF BUSH ARE NOT NEWS!! They're just Paul's opinions. He's entitled to them but they don't make his statements facts.

[ladyinred]

They are pulling out all of the stops. This will be the dirtiest campaign in history. SO WHAT if they did plan to invade Iraq in the beginning? Saddam had been in violation of the cease fire agreement for years, and Clinton chose to do nothing of course.

BFD!!!! Good for them if this is true!!!!

[joesbucks]

Where have I implied coverup? I simply stated that anyone who disagrees or finds dirt on this adminstration that is condisered a conservative and sheds light on it is often considered less than loyal.

Big difference between journalistic turning of one's head and political coverups. I never inferred the latter.

[JasonC]

In re "mostly monologue" - W was probably just waiting for the man to shut up.

He is still waiting...

[CFC__VRWC]

Mr O'Neill was and is a RINO , so what's new ? I was suprised W hired him in the first place,

I'll bet that's one personnel decision he wishes he could take back.

[Destro]

You think that way because you are not a robot.

[Destro]

Conservatives are no longer in power or have any power.

[CyberAnt]

"Where have I implied coverup"

HERE: "there are some who believe that the dirt, problems, or issues of conservatives should be left alone, ignored ..."

Just because a former cabinet member or staff member makes salacious statements about their former employer .. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A TRUE STATEMENT OF THE FACTS. It still only makes it the person's OPINION!!

Paul is entitled to his opinion of what happened .. but his interpretation of the meetings doesn't mean Paul is FACTUALLY correct about the meetings. It just means Paul saw them a certain way. He's entitled to believe that .. but I don't necessarily believe his exposing that belief makes those statements fact.

Remember .. if you have 10 witnesses to an accident .. what do you get ..?? YOU GET 10 DIFFERENT OPINIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED.

[AlbionGirl]

Already found WMD's Joe (just not to your liking).

Right on!

And the vast majority of illegals behave themselves.

Right on, again. And while I'm not quite sure blanket amnesty is the best outcome for the number of illegals here, it beats the democrats version, which would be to grant the illegals full citizenship.

The President's hands were tied; you can't deport 10 million people, it's impossible, especially with a war going on. Not to mention the ramification of involving the military in such an objective. President Bush did the best he could with what he had.

Oh, and one other thing: the illegals can outwork their American counterparts (prentending they exist) big time. Americans whose idea of work is a walk to their mailbox to get their checks. I'd like to see welfare tied to work requirements, send these fat slobs out to the fields and show 'em what a real day's work is. Good for nothing, woodchuck, swamp rat, low-lifes.

[McGavin999]

Anybody but me wonder, if this is true, why he didn't come out with it BEFORE we invaded Iraq? If he had no problem with coming out with it now, why didn't he do it in the 6 month run up to the war?

[joesbucks]

Where have I implied coverup"

HERE: "there are some who believe that the dirt, problems, or issues of conservatives should be left alone, ignored ..."

Wrongo! I was saying that since Drudge linked to it and you believed that Drudge wanted to somehow sleaze Bush, that it appears that many would prefer that those who are conservative just keep quiet about it. A coverup takes active participation to hide events. I was referring to many here believe that the conservative leaning media should be ignoring what may be dirt or problems within the administration.

And yes, you are right. It may be in fact be his processing his observations which could be influenced by how he filters what he observes. I'll give you that. BUT, what he may be now claiming may be actually what happened.

You see, sometimes certain witnesses at those accidents you referred to do see and remember pretty closely the events that happened. Are you concluding for certain that there is no way O'Neill is doing that?

[joesbucks]

Well I'm floored. I've got sinkspur saying the administrations rhetoric leading up to the war was a sales pitch. Puffery.

I've got Miss Marple saying that it wasn't.

I've got Cyber Ant saying that I'm suggesting cover up when I'm only suggesting that many conservatives believe the conservative media should ignore or downplay something that makes the administration look bad.

I've got Limbaugh ranting for a week about the immigration position of the White House only to conclude that it's now called Leadership.

And I thought the Clinton's had a spin machine.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

Allow me to make this simple, ...anyone who disagrees or finds dirt on this the Clinton adminstration that is condisered a conservative leftist and sheds light on it is often considered less than loyal.

Which examples come to mind?

[joesbucks]

Liberals howled when the networks went 24 hours on a Nation in Crisis coverage from CNN, ABC, CBS et al.

Cyber Ant and other conservatives believe Drudge is on some sort of mission to make Bush look bad.

Seems each side has sin?

[jws3sticks]

I'd rather see O'Neill shipped to GetMo for questioning and so he can be with his rag headed pals.

[Tumbleweed_Connection]

La última vez

[joesbucks]

Lanny Davis for one.

[bray]

Looks like they found a co-host for Steponallofus at PravdABC! Wonder how it feels to know an imbecile like W was right about tax cuts and this genius was dead wrong!

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