[Sister_T]

At first, I wasn't going to respond to your post but your comments are something else.

You seem to be just as angry as those black females you accuse. Maybe some of those black women react the way they do because they are aware of history. It is a historial fact that SOME white women have falsely accused SOME black men of "wanting them" and the black men got hung or worse for it. Even in law, I believe it was Jared Taylor who brought up in his book, Paved With Good Intentions, that in rape cases, when the victim is black and the perp is black, the burden of proof is on the woman. When the victim is white, suddenly, the burden of proof SHIFTS to the black man to prove that he's innocent. With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered? Maybe because it destroys the notion that SOME white women are as pure as snow as SOME white men have propped them up to be. But, I haven't been keeping up with the case so that might not even be relevant.

The sad truth is the history of blacks and whites in this country is bitter and painful. White women were right there with white men, discriminating against blacks, encouraging and defending the abuse of black men and women and, if you're black, you would know that. Maybe that's why so many of those so-called "angry black women" feel the way they do about black men who feel the need to chase down white women as if white women were the only women on the planet.

And before you "go there", I am a black woman who is happily married to a black man.

[cyborg]

Where do I express anger in my posts??? If it doesn't apply to you then don't worry about it. I wasn't referring to ALL black females, just the ones that have a perpetual chip on their shoulder despite their success. You have issues lady and are way too angry. IN FACT, I think you'd be the prime target for Waiting to Exhale sweetie. I grew up with a lot of girls LIKE yourself so I CAN go there but I won't.

[Sloth]

LOL, talking about unintentionally proving the point.

[fight_truth_decay]

With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered?

The "history" could, I agree, show lack of good judgment; but it does not justify rape. If ,in deed, a rape did take place.

Respectfully
fight_truth_decay

[happygrl]

why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered?.

I believe this is a legal issue, i.e., it has been prohibited for many years to probe into the sexual history of the rape victim.

Other aspects of her history, such as her mental health, may be fair game.

The sad truth is the history of blacks and whites in this country is bitter and painful. White women were right there with white men, discriminating against blacks, encouraging and defending the abuse of black men and women and, if you're black, you would know that.

I would guess that many of today's young people (both black and white) know little of the past political and cultural history of this country. I don't think cyborg is one of them, but that she has her own history and reality to draw from. I think many from this generation have left the anger of the previous generation behind and are more apt to deal with people on an individual basis, rather than a racial basis.

This is a good thing, and reflects Dr. Kings dream of a world where children would be judged on the content of their character.

[StarFan]

With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered? Maybe because it destroys the notion that SOME white women are as pure as snow as SOME white men have propped them up to be.

You are way off base. It has nothing to do with Kobe's color but more to do with the Rape Shield Law which protects the accuser's identity and past, be they BLACK OR WHITE. This is to insure that future rape victims will have no qualms coming forward. If you recall during OJ's trial, the history of Nicole, her family and her friends were as much on trial as he was.

[Jorge]

The sad truth is the history of blacks and whites in this country is bitter and painful. White women were right there with white men, discriminating against blacks, encouraging and defending the abuse of black men and women and, if you're black, you would know that. Maybe that's why so many of those so-called "angry black women" feel the way they do about black men who feel the need to chase down white women as if white women were the only women on the planet.

This is understandable, but on the other hand there have also been high profile successful black females who seemed only interested in marrying very successful white men.

And then there's the perception (which is probably accurate) that black women have an easier time of moving up in what is considered "the white man's world", and that black women have used this advantage to exert their independence and blow-off black men as they see fit....and even categorize them as losers.

Admit it. Black women haven't always been so perfect to their men.

Oh, and a lot of these resentments exist between white men and women when it comes to interracial relationships...but I do agree it is probably more of an issue for minorities.

[Jorge]

When the victim is white, suddenly, the burden of proof SHIFTS to the black man to prove that he's innocent. With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered? Maybe because it destroys the notion that SOME white women are as pure as snow as SOME white men have propped them up to be.

Right.
The "alleged" victim who had the sperm of two other men and the pubic hair from a white man in her panties when examined by a doctor after her "alleged rape" by Kobe.

The decision not to consider her "history" is due to the fact that white men consider her "pure as snow". LOL!

[A.J.Armitage]

Even in law, I believe it was Jared Taylor who brought up in his book, Paved With Good Intentions, that in rape cases, when the victim is black and the perp is black, the burden of proof is on the woman. When the victim is white, suddenly, the burden of proof SHIFTS to the black man to prove that he's innocent.

I'll bet you also think black people's right to vote will expire in 2007.

[ermmt]

exhale sis it's all O.K.! Brothers-sisters , they all marry the wrong one! We just luv one 'on'other :) Peace & Love xxxoxxoxoxooxoxox

[Thumper1960]

All this angst over a difference in the amount of melanin.

[F16Fighter]

"With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered? Maybe because it destroys the notion that SOME white women are as pure as snow as SOME white men have propped them up to be."

Whoa Sister -- Have you been watching too many Spike Lee movies, or what??

Regarding the original issue addressed at the beginning of this thread, know this much -- tribalism and elitism is NOT exclusive to the US. It has been in existance almost since Adam and Eve, and everywhere since, whether it's North vs, South; East vs. West; OR White vs. Whiter; Black vs. Blacker; Rich vs. Poor...

My own grandmother from Naples on my father's side was appalled at the thought of her son marrying a Sicilian (southern Italian).

[7thson]

With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered?

In this statement here, I do not think the race of the victim had anything to do with it. I believe the laws dictate this policy - which I think is wrong. It goes against the entire concept of the accussed facing their accusser.

[Tribune7]

With Kobe Bryant, why isn't the history of his "alleged" victim allowed to be considered?

?????????????

It was considered big time. and the charges were dropped.