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A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe

The President's Speech on Immigration Reform given on January 7th, 2004 has many far reaching proposals which if enacted into law, will shape the future of America for generations to come.

It is the first such immigration reform initiative by any president since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to illegal immigrants living in the United States in 1986.

President Bush's immigration reform initiative would provide immediate and significant legal protections and rights for any illegal immigrants now living in the United States providing they inform the government of their presence here by legally registering it with the .

Significant benefits and privileges, including an opportunity for U.S. citizenship, would be granted to these immigrants as a result of their cooperation.

Since at least ten million illegal immigrants already living in the United States are eligible for the president's proposal, and since deporting that large of a population back to their home countries is largely considered physically impractical, this solution is seen as the "best-case" solution to the immigration problem by many Americans.

Also embedded into the president's proposal are far reaching changes that are considered by many Americans to be "giving away the farm." The cost of absorbing millions of illegal immigrants all at once and the impact and precedent it could create for future illegal immigrations are believed by many other Americans to far outweigh the benefits of legitimizing these millions of immigrants.

The political, economic, and social impact of President Bush's initiatives will affect the United States for at least the remainder of the 21st Century.

The crisis of illegal immigration affects each and every American, and the longer the crisis goes unanswered, the worse it will become.

It is for this reason that the nation must now put their differences aside and work together for the combined good of all Americans, from all walks of life, and from all political and economic persuasions.

Current FR link reference on President Bush's Immigration Reform Initiative will be update on a regular basis.

President George W. Bush's speech on immigration delivered on Jan. 7, 2004 follows:


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The following is the text of President George W. Bush's speech on immigration delivered on Jan. 7, 2004:

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Thank you all for coming. Thanks for coming. Thanks for the warm welcome. Thanks for joining me as I make this important announcement, an announcement that I believe will make America a more compassionate, more humane and stronger country.

I appreciate members of my Cabinet who have joined me today, starting with our secretary of state, Colin Powell.

(APPLAUSE)

I'm honored that our attorney general, John Ashcroft, has joined us.

(APPLAUSE)

Secretary of Commerce Don Evans.

(APPLAUSE)

Secretary Tom Ridge of the Department of Homeland Security, I'm honored you're here.

BUSH: El Embajador de Mexico Tony Garza.

(APPLAUSE)

I thank all the other members of my administration who joined us today. I appreciate the Members of Congress who've taken time to come, Senator Larry Craig, Congressman Chris Cannon and Congressman Jeff Flake.

I'm honored you all have joined us. Thank you for coming.

I appreciate the members of citizen groups who've joined us today, chairman of the Hispanic Alliance For Progress, Mani Luhan (ph); Gil Moreno, the president and CEO of the Association for the Advancement of Mexican-Americans; Roberta Deposada, the president of the Latino Coalition; and Hector Flores, the president of LULAC.

Thank you all for joining us.

(APPLAUSE)

Many of you here today are Americans by choice, and you have followed in the path of millions. And over the generations, we have received energetic, ambitious, optimistic people from every part of the world.

By tradition and conviction, our country is a welcoming society. America is a stronger and better nation because of the hard work and the faith and the entrepreneurial spirit of immigrants.

Every generation of immigrants has reaffirmed the wisdom of remaining open to the talents and dreams of the world. And every generation of immigrants has reaffirmed our ability to assimilate newcomers, which is one of the defining strengths of

During one great period of immigration, between 1891 and 1920, our nation received some 18 million men, women and children from other nations.

BUSH: The hard work of these immigrants helped make our economy the largest in the world. The children of immigrants put on the uniform and helped to liberate the lands of their ancestors.

One of the primary reasons America became a great power in the 20th century is because we welcomed the talent and the character and the patriotism of immigrant families.

The contributions of immigrants to America continue. About 14 percent of our nation's civilian workforce is foreign born. Most begin their working lives in America by taking hard jobs and clocking long hours in important industries. Many immigrants also start businesses, taking the familiar path from hired labor to ownership.

As a Texan, I have known many immigrant families, mainly from Mexico, and I've seen what they add to our country. They bring to America the values of faith in God, love of family, hard work, and self-reliance; the values that made us a great nation to begin with.

We've all seen those values in action through the service and sacrifice of more than 35,000 foreign-born men and women currently on active duty in the United States military. One of them is Master Gunnery Sergeant Guadalupe Denogean, an immigrant from Mexico, who has served in the Marine Corps for 25 years and counting.

Last year, I was honored and proud to witness Sergeant Denogean take the oath of citizenship in a hospital where he was recovering from wounds he received in Iraq.

BUSH: I'm honored to be his commander in chief. I'm proud to call him "fellow American."

(APPLAUSE)

As a nation that values immigration and depends on immigration, we should have immigration laws that work and make us proud. Yet today we do not.

Instead we see many employers turning to the illegal labor market, we see millions of hardworking men and women condemned to fear and insecurity in a massive, undocumented economy.

Illegal entry across our borders makes more difficult the urgent task of securing the homeland. The system is not working. Our nation needs an immigration system that serves the American economy and reflects the American dream.

Reform must begin by confronting a basic fact of life and economics: Some of the jobs being generated in America's growing economy are jobs American citizens are not filling.

Yet these jobs represent a tremendous opportunity for workers from abroad who want to work and to fulfill their duties as a husband or a wife, a son or a daughter.

Their search for a better life is one of the most basic desires of human beings. Many undocumented workers have walked mile after mile, through the heat of the day and the cold of the night. Some have risked their lives in dangerous desert border crossings or entrusted their lives to the brutal rings of heartless human smugglers.

BUSH: Workers who seek only to earn a living end up in the shadows of American life, fearful, often abused and exploited.

When they're victimized by crimes they're afraid to call the police or seek recourse in the legal system. They are cut off from their families far away, fearing if they leave our country to visit relatives back home they might never be able to return to their jobs.

The situation I described is wrong. It is not the American way.

Out of common sense and fairness, our laws should allow willing workers to enter our country and fill jobs that Americans are not filling.

(APPLAUSE)

We must make our immigration laws more rational and more humane. And I believe we can do so without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens.

Our reforms should be guided by a few basic principles.

First, America must control its borders. Following the attacks of September the 11th, 2001, this duty of the federal government has become even more urgent, and we're fulfilling that duty.

For the first time in our history we have consolidated all border agencies under one roof, to make sure they share information and the work is more effective.

We're matching all visa applicants against an expanded screening list to identify terrorists and criminals and immigration violators.

This month we have become using advanced technology to better record and track aliens who enter our country and to make sure they leave as scheduled.

BUSH: We have deployed new gamma and X-ray systems to scan cargo and containers and shipments at ports of entry to America.

We have significantly expanded the Border Patrol with more than 1,000 new agents on the borders and 40 percent greater funding over the last two years. We're working closely with the Canadian and Mexican governments to increase border security.

America is acting on a basic belief: Our borders should be open to legal travel and honest trade; our borders should be shut and barred tight to criminals, to drug traders, drug traffickers and to criminals and to terrorists.

Second, new immigration laws should serve the economic needs of our country. If an American employer is offering a job that American citizens are not willing to take, we ought to welcome into our country a person who will fill that job.

Third, we should not give unfair rewards to illegal immigrants in the citizenship process or disadvantage those who came here lawfully or hope to do so.

Fourth, new laws should provide incentives for temporary foreign workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired.

Today I ask the Congress to join me in passing new immigration laws that reflect these principles that meet America's economic needs and live up to our highest ideals.

(APPLAUSE)

I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.

BUSH: This program will offer legal status as temporary workers to the millions of undocumented men and women now employed in the United States and to those in foreign countries who seek to participate in the program and have been offered employment here.

This new system should be clear and efficient so employers are able to find workers quickly and simply.

All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job or, if not living in the United States, a job offer. The legal status granted by this program will last three years and will be renewable, but it will have an end. Participants who do not remain employed, who do not follow the rules of the program or who break a law will not be eligible for continued participation and will be required to return to their home.

Under my proposal, employers have key responsibilities. Employers who extend job offers must first make every reasonable effort to find an American worker for the job at hand. Our government will develop a quick and simple system for employers to search for American workers.

Employers must not hire undocumented aliens or temporary workers whose legal status has expired. They must report to the government the temporary workers they hire and who leave their employ so that we can keep track of people in the program and better enforce our immigration laws. There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone -- for any employer violating these laws.

Undocumented workers now here will be required to pay a one-time fee to register for the temporary worker program. Those who seek to join the program from abroad and have complied with our immigration laws will not have to pay any fee.

All participants will be issued a temporary worker card that will allow them to travel back and forth between their home and the United States without fear of being denied re-entry into our country.

(APPLAUSE)

BUSH: This program expects temporary workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired, and there should be financial incentives for them to do so.

I will work with foreign governments on a plan to give temporary workers credit when they enter their own nation's retirement system for the time they have worked in America.

I also support making it easier for temporary workers to contribute a portion of their earnings to tax-preferred savings accounts, money they can collect as they return to their native countries. After all, in many of these countries a small nest egg is what is necessary to start their own business or buy some land for their family.

Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start.

I opposed amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration.

America's a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America.

(APPLAUSE)

The citizenship line, however, is too long, and our current limits on legal immigration are too low.

My administration will work with the Congress to increase the annual number of green cards that can lead to citizenship.

BUSH: Those willing to take the difficult path of citizenship, the path of work and patience and assimilation, should be welcome in America, like generations of immigrants before them.

(APPLAUSE)

In the process of immigration reform, we must also set high expectations for what new citizens should know. An understanding of what it means to be an American is not a formality in the naturalization process, it is essential to full participation in our democracy.

My administration will examine the standard of knowledge in the current citizenship test. We must ensure that new citizens know not only the facts of our history, but the ideals that have shaped our history.

Every citizen of America has an obligation to learn the values that make us one nation: liberty and civic responsibility, equality under God, tolerance for others.

This new temporary worker program will bring more than economic benefits to America. Our homeland will be more secure when we can better account for those who enter our country.

Instead of the current situation, in which millions of people are unknown, unknown to the law, law enforcement will face fewer problems with undocumented workers, and will be better able to focus on the true threats to our nation from criminals and terrorists.

And when temporary workers can travel legally and freely, there will be more efficient management of our borders and more effective enforcement against those who pose a true threat to our country.

(APPLAUSE)

This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hardworking people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers.

BUSH: Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents that we all take for granted. And they will be able to talk openly to authorities to report crimes when they're harmed without the fear of being deported.

(APPLAUSE)

The best way in the long run to reduce the pressures that create illegal immigration in the first place is to expand economic opportunity among the countries in our neighborhood.

In a few days I will go to Mexico for the Special Summit of the Americas, where we will discuss ways to advance free trade and to fight corruption and encou the nations of our hemisphere will lessen the flow of new immigrants to America when more citizens of other countries are able to achieve their dreams at their own home.

(APPLAUSE)

Yet our country has always benefited from the dreams that others have brought here. By working hard for a better life immigrants contribute to the life of our nation.

The temporary worker program I am proposing today represents the best tradition of our society, a society that honors the law and welcomes the newcomer.

This plan will help return order and fairness to our immigration system, and in so doing we will honor our values by showing our respect for those who work hard and share in the ideals of America.

May God bless you all.

1 posted on 01/12/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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2 posted on 01/12/2004 9:38:54 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Happy New Year)
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To: Support Free Republic
~ Take the FReeper Poll ~

We are overrun by illegal immigration in the United States.

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Bush admits: "I was wrong about amnesty." (humor)

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Study: Immigration Biggest Contributor to Sprawl (87% of Growth Attributed to Immigrants)

Bush’s Proposal Amounts To Amnesty For Millions of Illegal Immigrants

Bush: Let Illegals Work in U.S. (But that is not enough say illegals.)

Mark Steyn: llIegals the political 'untouchables'

Congresss ALREADY APPROVED AMNESTY – it didn’t work then, why will it now?

Tancredo Blasts Immigration Plan

Immigrant Plan Makes Sense But Work Ahead (L.A. Daily News)

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3 posted on 01/12/2004 9:40:19 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
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4 posted on 01/12/2004 9:52:18 AM PST by jpsb (")
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To: jpsb; kellynla
Stop Amnesty For Illegals

5 posted on 01/12/2004 9:59:00 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
I am writing in Tancredo!
6 posted on 01/12/2004 10:06:59 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: All; JustPiper
Top Immigration Official: Bush Proposal Doable

The Illegal Alien Crime Wave"

Bush & Immigration Reform

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Immigration Reform on Bush Agenda

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Bush Calls for Immigration Overhaul

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Glance at Bush Immigration Changes Plan

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7 posted on 01/12/2004 10:13:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe; *immigrant_list; Pippin

8 posted on 01/12/2004 10:16:46 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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To: deport

$300 to go, Please Help


9 posted on 01/12/2004 10:19:44 AM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: deport; JackelopeBreeder; Nachum
Latino vote in '04 is a big enchilada

One Reporter's Opinion -- We're Giving Away the Whole Enchilada!

10 posted on 01/12/2004 10:24:59 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe

Lost and Found


11 posted on 01/12/2004 10:26:56 AM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: Happy2BMe
""There is no chance of getting caught," cheerfully explains Rafael, an Ecuadoran. Like the dozen Ecuadorans and Mexicans on his particular corner, Rafael is hoping that an SUV seeking carpenters for $100 a day will show up soon. "We don’t worry, because we’re not doing anything wrong. I know it’s illegal; I need the papers, but here, nobody asks you for papers.""

100 a day, no taxes!!!! He is only doing jobs Americans will not do:)
12 posted on 01/12/2004 10:32:01 AM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: MeeknMing
HEE! HEE! HEE!

Thanks, Meekie!

13 posted on 01/12/2004 10:34:13 AM PST by Pippin (Bush still has MY vote!)
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To: Happy2BMe
"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

More good news...

14 posted on 01/12/2004 10:34:22 AM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: international american
"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

These statistics aren't surprising for those of us in the L.A. area.

Many of those in states that are not affected do not understand the width and depth of this problem of illegal immigration. Yes, some of them come only to work, but many of them bring their criminal ways with them, and they all seem to be collecting welfare of some sort.

Bush's proposal will not solve anything, it will just make it worse, because he is giving the green light for millions more to come. We are sick about it.

15 posted on 01/12/2004 10:45:19 AM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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Deadline looms for some Mexican-Americans to reclaim Mexican nationality

Mexican Standoff

Mexican Army Invading U.S.

The Mexican Mafia

Mexican elections lure U.S. residents

Plan assists Mexican trade

A Renewed Mexican-American War

FREEP this Mexican Online Poll

16 posted on 01/12/2004 10:48:55 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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Mexican ID card under fire: GOP lawmakers want document banned as valid identification

Mexican ambassador criticizes Tancredo over ID card debate

Stop the Mexican Raid on Our Social Security and the Mexican "ID" Card

Colorado bans Mexican ID cards

Police approve Mexican ID cards

FBI Criticizes Mexican Consular I.D. Cards

Mexican ID cards under fire

Stop the Mexican Raid on Our Social Security and the Mexican "ID" Card

Napa council OKs Mexican ID card

Ford vice president acquires Mexican citizenship, ID card

GOPers tell Ridge Mexican ID card a threat to security

Mexican police ID card for drug lord found in home of ex-girlfriend

17 posted on 01/12/2004 10:58:23 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: deport
$300 to go, Please Help

Hey ! I just checked ! They made it ! Over the top now ! ...


18 posted on 01/12/2004 10:59:41 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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To: Pippin
Howdy ! "Gotta run" ...

19 posted on 01/12/2004 11:01:00 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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To: MeeknMing; deport

OVER THE TOP NOW!

Good for FR - thanks Meek!

20 posted on 01/12/2004 11:01:58 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: janetgreen
I live in Ventura,which has not been "swallowed" yet, but adjacent cities have. Parts of the San Fernando Valley are beginning to resemble a war zone.
21 posted on 01/12/2004 11:02:21 AM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: All
Dean Backer Calls GOP Candidate 'House Mexican'

22 posted on 01/12/2004 11:03:08 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: janetgreen
Many of those in states that are not affected do not understand the width and depth of this problem of illegal immigration.

Many that do live in those areas don't understand your fear and anger.

23 posted on 01/12/2004 11:05:11 AM PST by PRND21
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To: nonliberal
I am writing in Tancredo!


Hey nonliberal,

In addition to writing Tancredo, why not make it a point to report one illegal alien each day for the next month!

Click here for how and where to report an illeagal.

Good Luck.



24 posted on 01/12/2004 11:05:32 AM PST by B-Cause
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To: janetgreen
We are sick about it.

Why...it will never become law as is...he clearly stated that Congress would have to handle the details. A basic fact that I learned in elementary school is that the President does not make laws, Congress does. I am continually surprised at all of the seemingly intelligent people on this forum or that I have met who don't seem to grasp this concept. Bush's plan will be in the cross-cut shredder the minute it hits Congress and I think Bush knew that. Was he merely pandering to the Hispanics? Sure. Will I stay home from the polls because of it like so many have threatened on here? Not likely, because I understand that while his proposal was merely pandering for political gain (probably one of Rove's less brilliant schemes), I do have to commend him on throwing the ball onto the court to start the debate process and pushing Congress to act on a plan to resolve the problem.

Personally, I think we ought to just forget Bush's proposal and concentrate on backing Tom Tancredo's version of the bill by writing our Congresscritters.

25 posted on 01/12/2004 11:06:21 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: azGOPgal
bookmark for later read
26 posted on 01/12/2004 11:08:18 AM PST by azGOPgal (Reject Socialism Vote Republican)
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To: azGOPgal
Real Message of The Bush Amnesty

27 posted on 01/12/2004 11:10:48 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
Yeah ! :O)

28 posted on 01/12/2004 11:16:45 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Howie Dean in the South !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/IowaRatsLastMealNewDeal.JPG)
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How To Report A Suspected Illegal Alien

FBI Tips and Public Leads

FBI Seal Graphic

While the FBI continues to encourage the public to submit information regarding the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, this form may also be used to report any suspected criminal activity to the FBI.


29 posted on 01/12/2004 11:21:58 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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What Is Considered An Illegal Activity Under Immigration Law?

Here are some examples of the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:

Examples:

(This is not a complete list of violations.)


30 posted on 01/12/2004 11:25:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: ravingnutter
Bush's plan will be in the cross-cut shredder the minute it hits Congress and I think Bush knew that.

Really? I think he's seen S.1387 and developed his proposal based on that bill.

31 posted on 01/12/2004 11:42:01 AM PST by michigander
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To: michigander
Really? I think he's seen S.1387 and developed his proposal based on that bill.


You are probably correct..... That gives at least two bills in Congress now and maybe others addressing parts of the issues... Each Legislative branch will develope a bill/proposal and in the end it will have to go to conference committee in order to pass Congress. Thus the heat needs to be where the legislation is being drafted and marked up.....

36 posted on 01/12/2004 12:48:18 PM PST by deport (..... DONATE TO FREEREPUBLIC......)
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To: B-Cause
Finally, someone posting something that makes sense. Instead of bellyaching, do something about the problem personally.
37 posted on 01/12/2004 12:53:20 PM PST by BushisTheMan
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Immigration Reform - Could Be A Hot Button Issue In November Election

Important Illegal Immigration Reform For ITIN Cards (Major Change In Immigration Policy)

IMMIGRATION AND IMMIGRATION REFORM

Immigration reform

Reform immigration law now

Immigration reform falls short

Immigration Reform on Bush Agenda

Mixed Motives Spur Immigration 'Reform'

The Republicans Proposing Immigration Reform (Amnesty)

Failing to reform immigration threatens education

Bush, Fox to discuss immigration reform
Why Immigration Reform Is a Women's Issue


38 posted on 01/12/2004 1:01:25 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: All
What's Right on Immigration?

39 posted on 01/12/2004 1:06:58 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: ravingnutter
I learned in elementary school is that the President does not make laws, Congress does. I am continually surprised at all of the seemingly intelligent people on this forum or that I have met who don't seem to grasp this concept...

But Bush signs laws such as the horrible education bill, the horrible campaign finance law and the horrible prescription law. The Prez is a very important person! Therefore, I believe this Amnesty proposal will pass hands down. The Congress is terrified to go against the one world mentality that has been on the front burner of political thought for so many years. In other words, Congress knows what the president wants and delivers.

40 posted on 01/12/2004 1:07:18 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98
" horrible education bill, the horrible campaign finance law and the horrible prescription law."

This is different....both sides of the house are in sufficient numbers to kill this. No guarantees, just my opinion.
41 posted on 01/12/2004 1:15:24 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: international american
I hope so, too. But will it be dead permanently? I doubt it, because as we speak more and more illegals are coming into our country, and one day their political clout will blow America out of the water.

President Fox won't rest until Canada, US, Central and South America are one nation.

42 posted on 01/12/2004 1:22:16 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98
What is sickening about the President's remarks, quoted above, is that like his immediate predecessor, he is using slick emotionally tinged Madison Avenue type arguments--much as one might market a new TV series, or any of the Leftwing programs that the Left has marketed over the past half-century--and has completely avoided the real questions involved in the present immigration debate. It is impossible to believe that he both understands and cares about the long-term implications and effects of what he proposes.

I have tried to address this whole problem with balance (yet with a firm determination to discuss frankly the ethnic questions which the Left in Academia has been trying since the 1920s to suppress), in order to put the essential factors before the student debater, in Chapter 15 of the Debate Handbook: Immigration & The American Future. It is packed full of points that the President refuses to acknowledge even need be considered at all. While mankind has throughout history often followed leaders that ignored reality; reality always emerges in the end with terrible consequences. Frankly, I do not believe that we dare continue to support this type of "leadership."

William Flax

43 posted on 01/12/2004 1:26:27 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: PRND21
your fear and anger

Fear?
1) The loss of American jobs to illegal aliens who will work for less, bringing down wages in most industries.
2) American workers in the construction jobs and other similarly paid industries will have to compete with illegals who will work for minimum wage, so they won't be hired.
3) Bush's proposal will encourage millions more to come.

Anger?
1) American taxpayers have to pay for medical care, welfare, schooling, etc. etc. for illegal aliens. The employers won't help with medical coverage when they know the state will pay it.
2) More American cities will resemble Mexican colonias, with all the mess they bring with them. This has already happened in many California communities.
3) Loss of sovereignty of the U.S. - We have a President who doesn't respect U.S. laws and refuses to enforce existing immigration laws. Americans have to obey the laws, but illegal aliens don't.
4) Any kind of amnesty, no matter what they call it, is an insult to those immigrants who cared enough about our country to apply legally and waited their turn.

I find it strange that you don't have any of the same concerns about America.

44 posted on 01/12/2004 1:32:21 PM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: janetgreen
I find it strange that you don't have any of the same concerns about America.

Pat did, too.

45 posted on 01/12/2004 1:43:34 PM PST by PRND21
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To: swampfox98
"more and more illegals are coming into our country, and one day their political clout will blow America out of the water."

If I could afford it, I would bring every naysaying freeper to California, and give them a grand tour. But I can't. So many freepers are backing Bush on this, and if Gore had done it, they would be screaming bloody murder.
46 posted on 01/12/2004 1:50:39 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: PRND21
Pat did, too.

And of course Pat was right. He got crucified for being right. No one is supposed to speak the truth anymore, it's not politically correct.

47 posted on 01/12/2004 1:57:48 PM PST by janetgreen (TANCREDO FOR PRESIDENT)
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To: janetgreen
Pat = Jesus?
48 posted on 01/12/2004 2:09:08 PM PST by PRND21
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To: swampfox98
Therefore, I believe this Amnesty proposal will pass hands down.

Umm, Bush tried to ram 245(i) amnesty through Congress and it was defeated in committee after a firestorm of public opposition. That btw was modest compared to what's being proposed here.

Not saying nothing will pass eventually, but it won't be anything near this monstrosity.

49 posted on 01/12/2004 2:10:59 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Correct!
50 posted on 01/12/2004 2:16:12 PM PST by international american (support our troops.........revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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