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How to Lose Your Yob in Talk Radio (FR mentioned)
The American Conservative Magazine ^ | Jan 12, 2004 | Charles Goyette

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:49:33 AM PST by narby

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To: narby
Her's a quarter Mr. Goyette call someone in the sour grapes dept. who cares(Paul O'Neil).
21 posted on 01/12/2004 10:24:10 AM PST by Dane
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To: narby
"Once the balloon goes up, I think it's treason to act politically against the war."

That wouldn't fly if Clinton were the CinC, and it won't fly now. Otherwise, the President could deploy troops anywhere, anytime and it would be our patriotic duty to support it.

The real mistake is to continue to let our men and women die for no good reason.

22 posted on 01/12/2004 10:25:00 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: narby
DID YOU EVER THINK YOU LOST YOUR YOB BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SPIKE THE SWEDISH ACCENT?!?!??
23 posted on 01/12/2004 10:25:41 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl
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To: Dane
Cut and paste the same goofy comment on every thread.

Post it to the "who cares" thread.

24 posted on 01/12/2004 10:27:54 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: narby
Sounds like the author is factually challenged.
25 posted on 01/12/2004 10:27:54 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Baynative
"I've always said that the protests to our effort in Iraq are a clear example of leftist insincerities."

This thread isn't about leftists or their insincerity.

Most leftists/liberals are insincere, but this is about principled, conservative dissent.

26 posted on 01/12/2004 10:28:49 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: narby
Agree 100%. The point I was clumsily trying to make is that the way wars were fought in WWII left little room for doubt as to who the aggressor was. Also, the use of military power was rather visible. Terrorism's shadowy world is different. You may not know who did something. The price of waiting until something happens has increased with bio/nuclear weapons. The targets are not confined to military installations. So, to me, the author's comparisons to Pearl Harbor & France are bogus.
27 posted on 01/12/2004 10:34:25 AM PST by Dilbert56
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To: Protagoras
Cut and paste the same goofy comment on every thread

Nope, it just happened that there were two sour grapes "real conservative" threads going on.

28 posted on 01/12/2004 10:36:55 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
If they were threads for real conservatives, why were you there?
29 posted on 01/12/2004 10:40:18 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: CoolGuyVic
Most leftists/liberals are insincere, but this is about principled, conservative dissent.

Yes, in your own mind. Let others say how principled you are instead of puffing up yourself. Otherwise, you look and sound fake.


30 posted on 01/12/2004 10:46:02 AM PST by rdb3 (Never enough muscle to stop a tertiary hustle.)
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To: narby
But war is different. Once committed to war (and the use of force WAS authorized by Congress - so no BS about the Congress not "declaring" war.....

BS?
The US Constitution is not BS.
The US Constitution does not enumerate powers to Congress to delgate its exclusive jurisdiction to the executive branch. Doing so would turn the legislative "branch" into a mere twig - something not ever intended by the founders. We can take joy in the fact that under President Bush, our armed forces have whupped ass all over the globe - but that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to the blatant trampling of the Constitution and the blurring of jurisdictional lines between the branches of government. We lament the fact that the judicial branch is arrogating unto itself legislative powers, with nary an effective protest from any quarter. Now, we see the executive plowing forward in the same manner - the Constitution be damned - but we go along because we happen to agree with the current President's politics. At some point in time, however, there will be hell to pay.

(BTW: Declaring War, per the US Constitution, would have eliminated all this fuss to begin with. So, why didn't we follow the Constitution in the first place?)


31 posted on 01/12/2004 10:47:43 AM PST by ppaul
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To: richardtavor
No, it's not just you. He trumped his horn throughout the buildup to war . . . going so far as to put out press releases to the national media promoting himself as "the nation's only conservative talk show host opposing war in Iraq." He didn't just have a little philosophical difference with his audience -- he used his stance as his attempted springboard to prominence.

Not that he is a liberal, but his approach did seem to be like many Democrats and local pro-business "republicans" who sided up with Janet Napolitano in her bid for governor. He figured that if he guessed right and had poo-poo'ed a war gone bad, he'd have increased prominence. So, he intellectually saddled up with the protestors. He claims he just had an honest disagreement. The trouble with that argument is that he didn't have a "gentleman's disagreement" but rather spent hours every day making fun of everyone who disagreed with him . . . whilst whining about being a maverick and putting out self-promoting press releases.

The guy is boring and sufficiently sanctimonious to turn most everyone off. I NEVER thought he was a "key" person at KFYI and am most happy to get to listen to someone else driving home.

32 posted on 01/12/2004 10:49:47 AM PST by hoyaloya
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To: hchutch
How to Lose Your Yob in Talk Radio

Sounds painful.

33 posted on 01/12/2004 10:50:59 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: richardtavor
He's a contrarian, imho. Support for the war was just too simple and obvious so Goyette was trying to 1-up everyone else by being "just a little bit smarter" than everyone else.

He had lots of help from Col. Hackworth, who was trying to sell his new book at the time. I got the feeling that because "Hack" was such a frequent guest that Charles had a scoop that no one else had. I, however, personally heard "Hack" on every station all over hells 1/2 acre. Hackworth was no visionary. So, I bailed when Charles kept questioning the war.

His afternnon drive ratings suffered, most logically, and I suspect management advised him of those facts. As a programmer, you put your weakest link where it does the least damage. I suspect that is being spun into this "censorship" story.

Morning host, Barry Young, today advised that Goyette's article clearly misrepresented his position as a pro-war mongering KFYI colleague (voice of reason and moderation). Now all Goyette's charges (exaggerations?) are being called into question.

Further, it appears that WMYI 102.5 in Greenville, S.C., where the lady was fired for voicing anti war sentiments is a music station, which would explain much. Can anyone verify.

And that's the skinny from Phoenix.

34 posted on 01/12/2004 10:52:58 AM PST by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: rdb3
"Yes, in your own mind. Let others say how principled you are instead of puffing up yourself. Otherwise, you look and sound fake. "

Just stating that the dissent is based on principles, wasn't trying to sound pious. I make no claim that my view is more "pure" or the "right" view.

35 posted on 01/12/2004 10:55:24 AM PST by CoolGuyVic
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To: CoolGuyVic
"The real mistake is to continue to let our men and women die for no good reason."

To finally come to terms as agreed upon that ended hostilities in Gulf War 1, to include 12 resolutions is not good enough?

Or is it that AMERICANS were fired upon everyday through the years by anti-aircraft fire?
If this were 1940 ish this would not even be a question. Firing upon Americans is an act of war plain and simple.

Millions of human beings being slaughtered is good enough reason for me.
36 posted on 01/12/2004 11:29:32 AM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: narby
It is far better to be fired for taking a stand than to be fired for low ratings. This was just a PR managment stunt to give the host an argument for getting a new gig.
37 posted on 01/12/2004 11:49:21 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: AbsoluteJustice
Or is it that AMERICANS were fired upon everyday through the years by anti-aircraft fire?
If this were 1940 ish this would not even be a question. Firing upon Americans is an act of war plain and simple.

Not to mention threatening the life of an American President.
38 posted on 01/12/2004 12:12:42 PM PST by kaktuskid
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"Not to mention threatening the life of an American President."

Forgot that one too.
Then again to liberals to bring this into the equation would defeat the argument so why bother with it eh?
39 posted on 01/12/2004 12:36:30 PM PST by AbsoluteJustice (By the time you read this 100 other Freepers will have posted what I have said here!)
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To: narby
Why did this happen? Why only a couple of months after my company picked up the option on my contract for another year in the fifth-largest city in the United States, did it suddenly decide to relegate me to radio Outer Darkness?

Dolt, it's all about the 'book'.

poor ratings = no drive time

He's lucky to have a job, and after this rant he better hide from the General Manager.

40 posted on 01/12/2004 1:00:24 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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