Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

"AW" & "Hi-Cap Magazine" bans WILL sunset!
Self | 11/12/04 | Richard Brengman

Posted on 01/13/2004 1:12:04 AM PST by Richard-SIA

I attended a small gathering of about 60 republican party faithful tonight.

The occasion was an informal evening meeting with Nevada Senator John Ensign (R).

This was an invitational event, I was still surprised and disappointed that it was not better attended.

This is my favorite type of event, the cost of attendence was only $25 to cover rental of the exhibit hall, the location was nearby (Reno), and there was plenty of time available to speak directly with my favorite Nevada senator.

I believe there will be another meeting tomorrow, in Las Vegas. Anyone interested can probably get information by calling his L.V. office, (702) 388-6605

Anyone who was no too timid to speak up in public was able to ask whatever question they liked.

John did not duck any of them, and resonded clearly, as a good republican should.

Many in attendence asked their questions and made their comments in comparative privacy, in one on one discussion.

Two of my questions were in the area of "gun control".

I am quoting John's replies as closely as I recall them.

Q. Will the AW & Hi-Cap Mag. bans be allowed to expire on Sept, 13th?

A. Certainly, it would take 60 votes to force a bill extending them to the floor, there are too many people like myself who will filibuster them if necessary to prevent their passing.

The democrats know the gun control issue can hurt them, it is not likely to be an issue.

Q. What are the chances of SB-659 being passed next year? (Outlaws continuing the predatory lawsuits that have been filed in an effort to bankrupt the firearms industry)

A. The bill can be expected to pass, it is a good thing that the bill will be decided in an election year, gun control is not a winning issue in an election year.

-------------------

I would encourage everyone to attend these party meetings any time they can.

You can learn where and when they are being held by simply asking your representative's staff.

Also ask them to put you on their mailing list.

The MOST effective means of contacting our reps is personal contact. This event illustrates that it does not require great wealth, just a little time and commitment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: awban; bang; banglist; billofrights; clinton; constitution; guncontrol; highcapacity; magazine; secondamendment; sunset
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-75 next last

1 posted on 01/13/2004 1:12:05 AM PST by Richard-SIA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Feingold's comment, and now Ensign saying he'll filibuster. Looking better and better...

BTW, I was looking at the homepage of one of my favorite sites (AR15.com), and I noticed that they had 7-8 gun news stories linked there, and most were positive:

AR15

2 posted on 01/13/2004 2:15:49 AM PST by BushMeister
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Don't count your chickens...

Never underestimate the ability of politicians to forget where they left their spines the moment the media starts manufacturing a "public outcry".

And every anti-gun group or loudmouth (media or otherwise) will be pushing this 24/7 next year, both because they want to impose more gun control, and because it's going to sunset (or be renewed) right before the election, and they'll push hard on anything they think will make campaigning unpleasant for President Bush.

3 posted on 01/13/2004 2:19:32 AM PST by Ichneumon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ichneumon
Yes, I agree that we are not home free, but there is a growing sense that the AW Ban is a sham and a bad law. The House leadership has no intention of revisiting the issue (Hastert's spokesman said so), and Republicans are damned sure to remember the lesson that Al Gore learned in West Virginia, Arkansas and Tennessee in 2000: there are millions of single-issue, pro-gun voters who will crucify you if you betray them. From Bush's POV, he can make it clear to Congressional Repubs that he in no way wants to see that damned AW or Mag Ban on his desk ready for a sig 6 weeks before he stands for re-election.
4 posted on 01/13/2004 2:26:21 AM PST by BushMeister
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA; *bang_list
.
5 posted on 01/13/2004 2:39:24 AM PST by TERMINATTOR (DON'T BLAME ME! I Voted for McClintock)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BushMeister
>>there are millions of single-issue, pro-gun voters who will crucify you if you betray them.

< *raises hand* >
6 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:48 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: BushMeister
"From Bush's POV, he can make it clear to Congressional Repubs that he in no way wants to see that damned AW or Mag Ban on his desk ready for a sig 6 weeks before he stands for re-election."

Why should he care, though? At that point, it will be illegal for anyone except a member of the media to mention the legislation, and the media will either toss the story down the memory hole or spin it into illegibility. Thanks to McCain-Feingold, the safest time to ban guns is right before an election!

7 posted on 01/13/2004 2:42:20 AM PST by Fabozz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Fabozz
Some of Bush's recent statements leave me wondering if he is taking the election for granted?

Your comment re: McPain-Sweingold may be too true for comfort.
It is one reason I think it CRITICAL that we make as much effort as possible to get our view across as strongly as possible while we still can.

The best news is that the election follows the ban expiration date so closely, every candidate knows that "the people" have short memories.
But any of them who look at the results of the last couple of elections and "gun control" will know the our memory is NOT that short!

We may have lost the right to exercise the our first amendment rights just prior to an election, but we still get to vote our issues, in private.
8 posted on 01/13/2004 2:58:40 AM PST by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Fabozz
Thanks to McCain-Feingold, the safest time to ban guns is right before an election!

Great point...I might have added President Bush's name for signing the stupid thing.

9 posted on 01/13/2004 3:05:18 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
I have hope I see a lot of Hi cap mags for sale with some lower prices.
10 posted on 01/13/2004 3:05:44 AM PST by riverrunner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
All it will take is another serious attack by al-Queda on American soil to make it go away. No American will accept restrictions on gun ownership at that point.
11 posted on 01/13/2004 3:10:45 AM PST by Nachoman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA; Travis McGee
This is SUCH GOOD NEWS! Freedom will last as long as Americans remain armed. To be fully armed requires military-grade weapons. Captain Isaac Davis had the best military weapons his he could muster for his men before April 19th, 1775. When he met the British saying he didn't have a man who was afraid, the shot heard around the world was fired. And no senator or judge was there to tell him his weapons were "unsafe" or "unsportsmanlike."

When we are disarmed, we will soon be vanquished. Anyone can propose a constitutional amendment to revoke the second. There is no law against that. However, I question the patriotism of anyone who would encroach on our second amendment.

THIS LAW AND OTHERS LIKE IT MUST BE REVOKED!

We will be free only for another few generations at most, if not.
12 posted on 01/13/2004 4:13:11 AM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA; All
Leave NO Doubt in your minds that the Anti Gun RAT's will do everything in their power to sneak some legislation into a bill that is going to pass.

Especially one that will make the Pub's look bad if they don't pass it.

It's been done before.

Plus Bush has said he would renew the AWB and do not forget that he singned the CFR Bill even though he said was unconstitional.

So expect that he would renew the AWB if it reaches his desk in any shape form or fashion.

13 posted on 01/13/2004 4:58:43 AM PST by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
It will pass. There are too many people for it, regardless of what they say in public.
14 posted on 01/13/2004 5:02:55 AM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Delmarksman
Correct. UpChuck Schumer and FineSwine will not take the AW sunset lying down.
15 posted on 01/13/2004 5:38:49 AM PST by BadAndy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
ping
16 posted on 01/13/2004 5:45:01 AM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Wasn't there a similar thread about CFR?
17 posted on 01/13/2004 5:46:37 AM PST by Rebelbase
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Rebelbase; Travis McGee
I'm thinking about writing in "Ronald Reagan" when I vote in November if this thing is renewed.
18 posted on 01/13/2004 5:48:20 AM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; ...
Regardless of what some representatives may say and think, "it's not over 'til it's over". And even if the AW ban sunsets, don't think that next year something like it won't be tacked on as an amendment to some unrelated crime bill or somesuch.

The gun-haters are sneaks, liars, and will pull whatever trick they think they can get away with to further their agenda of total civilian disarmament. Act accordingly.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

19 posted on 01/13/2004 5:48:33 AM PST by Joe Brower ("If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever." - G. Orwell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
Duped or not, the result is always the same:


20 posted on 01/13/2004 5:50:55 AM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
Thanks for the ping, but I will believe it when I see it.

CD

21 posted on 01/13/2004 5:58:27 AM PST by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Not attempting to change the thread subject but I must ask, "Was there any discussion supporting Bush's new Temporary Worker plan?"

A simple yes or no will suffice here.

22 posted on 01/13/2004 5:59:12 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Good information, thanks.

SUNSET THE AW BAN

23 posted on 01/13/2004 6:01:19 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
OK, from now on, when I call the Senate a bunch of crooks and traitors, I will except Nevada Senator John Ensign.

However, I still think there will be a new law and a far worse attack on the second. As usual, I hope to be wrong, but for all the people sreaming doomer/gloomer at me, I'm right far too often. Betrayal of the Constitution is a way of life in the Congress.

24 posted on 01/13/2004 6:02:30 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (The only thing standing between the rule of law and anarchy is that conservatives are good losers!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Anyone who has been paying attention to our fight for Gun Rights will never say the Republicans and the dems are the same party. It's been the Republicans who have led the fight for the CCW laws in the states. There are a few and, I repeat, few Republicans who have gone against this trend but they are far and few. Anyone who doubts this can watch the Senate debates in Wisconsin next week when the CCW law is introduced for an override.
The NRA has repeatedly stated that the time to fight the AWB was back in the last election. That's when we needed the A rated candidates to win so they were there when the vote came up. We were then told we have the votes in Congress but the Senate is still filled with anti-gun politicians. The AWB has to be stopped at the Congressional Committee level.
Our moderate president has stated that if it reached his desk, he would sign it. That was a challenge to the pro-gun activists to make sure it never reaches his desk. He made a campaign promise but it's a far cry from supporting the law. There haven't been any Rose Garden press conferences with police chiefs in the background like the 'toon made popular.

Unfortunately this fight is never going to be over. There's still a chance something horrible will happen before the election is here. Even if it's sunsetted there's still the anti's who will continue to introduce gun control while they're still in power. We won't win until the dem party is a distant memory.
25 posted on 01/13/2004 6:20:56 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Shooter 2.5
It's no wonder we often have shoddy legislation in key areas. Pols are busy fighting guns instead of doing their jobs. If they can't read the second amendment, what else do they know?
26 posted on 01/13/2004 6:26:16 AM PST by risk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: aomagrat
That seems to be the prevailing opinion, but I think if a republican controlled house and senate send this to a republican president who signs it, they would literally be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I may be wrong, but we'll see. The smartest thing that congress can do is to forget this thing even exists. The dem's know what a loser gun control is for them, and if the republicans insist on sending this thing through again, it may cause a good portion of their base to sit home come election day.
27 posted on 01/13/2004 6:30:20 AM PST by Space Wrangler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: BushMeister
Let's not stop hounding our congresscritters on this issue. The press-democrat party axis will try to manufacture support for extending the ban.
28 posted on 01/13/2004 6:32:08 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: risk; majhenrywest
After W's illegal alien amnesty back stab, I have lost my faith in him. As far as the legislative side, I can see an AWB renewal being folded into an omnibus crime or anti-terrorism deal as part of a "deal" that we never see until the entire bill is rolled out. And Bush will sign it. IOW, I am not cheering yet.
29 posted on 01/13/2004 6:40:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Travis McGee
I can see an AWB renewal being folded into an omnibus crime or anti-terrorism deal as part

That's how the stinking sonsabitches passed it the first time, back in '94.

30 posted on 01/13/2004 6:43:30 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Constitution Day; Joe Brower
Thanks for the ping, but I will believe it when I see it.

Yep, politicians never relinquish power once it's taken.

31 posted on 01/13/2004 6:46:28 AM PST by Pern ("It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people." - Johnny Cash, RIP)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: Pern
So very true.

Love your tagline, BTW.

32 posted on 01/13/2004 6:47:48 AM PST by Constitution Day
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: risk
Exactly. It's the same reason the urban areas are so bad. The dem pols are too busy disarming the good people and ignoring the bad.
'Have to keep the little people dependent, don'tyaknow?
33 posted on 01/13/2004 6:48:09 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: FreedomPoster
>>there are millions of single-issue, pro-gun voters who will crucify you if you betray them.

< *raises hand* >

Likewise. I'll not only vote against anyone who allows this thing to pass by voting for it, but I'll vote against ALL Republicans this year if it is renewed, since the Party has the majorities needed to defeat it. Note to Republican Party Lurkers: I live in Henry Bonilla's district - he won by only a whisker in 2002 (including my vote). He's an "A" on gun-related issues, but I WON'T vote for him if the AWB is renewed in ANY way. Sorry, my liberty and that of my children means more to me than party loyalty.

34 posted on 01/13/2004 6:51:42 AM PST by Ancesthntr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
I'm beginning to think the best election outcome would be for the GOP to pick up about a dozen or more House seats, a couple Senate seats (Georgia, for example) and for Bush to LOSE.

Then we'll see the sort of legislative stalemate that at least prevents any more poorly-thought-out though good-intentioned "compassionate conservative" laws.
35 posted on 01/13/2004 7:00:53 AM PST by Redbob (now to find a cure for global whining...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's in thru the nose and out thru the mouth.

I've never me a politician who wouldn't lie like a Klinton if it served his purpose.
36 posted on 01/13/2004 7:01:04 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Did you see me escaping? I was all like WOOB, WOOB, WOOB, WOOB, WOOB, WOOB!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Redbob
The best solution is to pick up a few more votes in Congress and the Senate and elect Bush. That way in four more years we can have a real conservative instead of a moderate. We should move forward and not back.
37 posted on 01/13/2004 7:06:04 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: risk; Richard-SIA; Joe Brower; dansangel; All
I appreciate Senator Ensign's support, but the 2nd Amendment is not one of his hallmark issues. I just visited his website "Issues" page and 2A is not listed on it at all, however, heading the list is Animal Advocacy. His key legislative efforts have been focused on keeping people from owning exotic animals and ending animal fighting by charging individuals who move animals across state lines for the purpose of fighting with a felony. I don't want to sound cold-hearted but animals didn't elect Senator Ensign, the people of Nevada did and they should be his first priority. The animal fighting issue is similar to gun crime, if existing laws were enforced then the problem would be eliminated, since those responsible for this reprehensible practice are often involved in other criminal activity.

I also checked Gun Owners of America's Congressional Voting Record to see where Ensign stood on legislation affecting 2A. On Campaign Finance he voted NAY, on the Federal Election Commission Act of 1971 he voted NAY, BUT on the Anti-Gun Juvenile Crime Bill (authored by Tom Daschle) Ensign voted YEA. Richard, I don't want to burst your bubble but I think NV Repubs need to hold Ensign's feet to the fire.

38 posted on 01/13/2004 7:13:31 AM PST by Donaeus (Approximately 79,999,977 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
What will happen to the firearms industry if this bill dies? Will the Post-Ban /Pre-sunset AWs go down in value?

In particular, will I be able to convert my Saiga 7.62x39 (currently 10 round mags only with no pistol grip or bayonet lug) to whatever I please?

Will I be able to, after the sunset, be able to convert high-cap mags to work in my Saiga?
39 posted on 01/13/2004 7:18:43 AM PST by RockChucker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
My thinking on the subject:

[IMO and FWIW] If the ban actually does go away, stock up on everything you want quickly. It won't be that long before it is reinstituted in one form or another; possibly a peice at a time scattered all over the place in different legislation. Remember how Reagan banned machine guns for private ownership (and he may not even have realized he was doing it at the time)?

Simple things like redefining some words can give the BATF the power to make the currently banned weapons and mags illegal for import or domestic manufacture and could easily be sneaked through in other bills. That doesn't even consider the 'secret' (redacted) stuff in things like intelligence authorization and financing bills that goes on already. It's all for our own good ya' know, fighting terrorism and all that sort of stuff.

40 posted on 01/13/2004 7:42:24 AM PST by templar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RockChucker
In particular, will I be able to convert my Saiga 7.62x39 (currently 10 round mags only with no pistol grip or bayonet lug) to whatever I please?

You already can if you folow the laws strictly (and avoid NFA violations). It has to do with the percentage of foreign and domestic parts in the finished weapon. There are lots of American manufactured parts and conversion kits, that will allow you to do this, on the market now (beware of the flash hider/muzle brake situation and skip the idea of a bayonet lug: those things make a weapon too dangerous anyway). Don't try it unless you are willing to learn some gunsmithing though.

41 posted on 01/13/2004 7:52:34 AM PST by templar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: Nachoman
All it will take is another serious attack by al-Queda on American soil to make it go away. No American will accept restrictions on gun ownership at that point.

That is true, but if some nut with an AK-47 bursts into some school a month or two before the election and starts shooting, then the AW bill will be renewed pronto.

42 posted on 01/13/2004 8:16:29 AM PST by OldPossum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
"it's not over 'til it's over".

Indeed. But, it is refreshing to hear encouraging news all the same.

43 posted on 01/13/2004 8:26:24 AM PST by Barnacle (A Human Shield against the onslaught of Leftist tripe.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Things look very positive indeed. I've even seen a couple of recent ads from rifle makers that offer "hidden" threaded muzzles "to be able to add a standard flash hider" (soon). Hah! Too bad, Feinswine. You had your decade.
44 posted on 01/13/2004 8:28:33 AM PST by Sender (We are now at Code Ernie - stock up on barbecue, beer, duct tape, ammo, batteries)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
It's for the children. What a beautiful sunset that will be.
45 posted on 01/13/2004 8:35:39 AM PST by stevio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BushMeister; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos
there are millions of single-issue, pro-gun voters who will crucify you if you betray them.

shovel- check.
hammer- check.
nails, three each- check.
4x4s, upright and crossbeam, one each- check.

Yep.

46 posted on 01/13/2004 8:48:40 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
Regardless of what some representatives may say and think, "it's not over 'til it's over". And even if the AW ban sunsets, don't think that next year something like it won't be tacked on as an amendment to some unrelated crime bill or somesuch.

The gun-haters are sneaks, liars, and will pull whatever trick they think they can get away with to further their agenda of total civilian disarmament. Act accordingly.

So true. IMHO, if the AW ban sunsets, it'll be a temporary reprieve from an idiotic piece of legislation, not a permanent victory. The next time the Democrats have enough clout in Congress, the same anti-gun provisions - and probably far worse - will be passed. Either a Democrat or gutless Republican president will sign it, and you can bet there will be no sunset provision.

As far as what may occur this year, we should be doubly vigilant. While we're watching the bill that promises to expand the AW Ban, a simple sentence re-authorizing and making permanent the existing AW ban could be slipped into some other innocous piece of legislation. Check Six, people.

47 posted on 01/13/2004 9:04:05 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Joe Brower
Well said..

" The price of Liberty is Eternal Vigilance."

48 posted on 01/13/2004 9:05:00 AM PST by Drammach
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Richard-SIA
Bump
49 posted on 01/13/2004 9:14:42 AM PST by hattend (Mr Bush, the Supremes upheld CFR...what's your plan B? Too late to veto, now)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: archy
LMAO.....Whoo Hooo ! Now I can get more of those high capacity 8 round replacement magazines for my 1911A1 ~..............Doh !

Honestly.......more magazines for my M1A's is all I'm seeking at this time and maybe a few new mags for my browning high powers. But of course the next new gun of the month club trendy thang will be small high capacity CHL pistols. In fact a HiCap SIG in 357SIG will be my first purchase. I kinda like that caliber in full size handgun but only if it's high capacity . Otherwise I carry a 1911A1 or SIG 220 if Alphabet Risk manager mandates such. Of course this is all based on .....if the AWB sunsets on 9-13-04

Stay Safe !

.......

Proud to be a single issue voter .......the constitutional issue

50 posted on 01/13/2004 9:24:27 AM PST by Squantos (Support Mental Health !........or........ I'LL KILL YOU !!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-75 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson