Two Fathers, With One Happy to Stay At Home

The New York Times ^ | January 12, 2004 | GINIA BELLAFANTE

[laurav]

Am I crazy, or has there been an explosion of "wonderful gay parent" articles in the press in the last week? I'm beginning to think there is some sort of organized plan in the media to push "gay parents are wonderful" stories right now.

Not an organized plan so much as generalized laziness. Reporters on the "sociology" beat have to come up with feature stories for their weekend papers, preferably ones with lots of photos, human interest, blah, blah. the best kind are "trend" stories, which can be based on a new statistic that is interesting. The Census just released this data, from what I can tell. So they put out a press release and every sociology beat reporter got it. It's an interesting stat, so call two or three same-sex parenting couples in your town and voila! Your work is done for the week. The fact that every single other town paper will have the same story usually doesn't matter to you, because how many people read the San Diego Tribune and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch? This is why that dumb metrosexual story ran everywhere for about two weeks straight.

[Rubber_Duckie_27]

Growing up, I knew a girl who was the child of two lesbians (biological child of one of them). She was just mentally messed up...it's hard to describe. She wasn't teased or made fun of (the school system made sure of that) but she always felt different, even from other kids who had single mothers as parents. I know her "moms" were very active in the gay community and I think the poor girl just shouldn't have been exposed to so much at a young age.

In college, I worked with a guy who was the son of two gay men. Guess who ended up gay himself?

My thinking is this: men learn to be husbands and fathers by watching their fathers, and women learn to be wives and mothers by watching their moms. How can a little girl, for example, learn about a normal marriage relationship when she's never had one in her own immediate family, when her "moms" are busy dragging her to gay pride parades? Ideally, children should have two loving parents, a mom and a dad in a healthy marriage who can show their children by example how to be good spouses and parents.

[longtermmemmory]

Yes there has been a push. It coincides with the comencement of the Human Rights Campaign radio advertisement masqarading as a conservative group opposed to the Federal Marriage Amendment.

It tracks with the use of the word "parent" NEVER mother or father. The children in this story are described as "gay parents" never in the "heather has two momies" vernacular. The words "mother" and "father" are forbiden.

The homosexuals are trying to counter the fact that marriage as an instutition is for reproduction. They now want to go with the mere raising children ala hilary clinton's village.

You will note how these two homosexuals had to buy their child outside normal channels.

[Salamander]

http://www.atoom.dk/religion/Mother_Earth.html

I have no idea how *they* may be pronouncing but it'd be roughly like "Carry-Ooo-wen" in Celtic.

Odd choice of name for a kid, being a sow-goddess and all.

[madprof98]

This is part of a larger campaign. I knew it as soon as I saw the headline. Just yesterday, I posted a piece from the Atlanta papers about two lesbians who claim they are being persecuted by the town's wealthiest country club because they are not considered spouses and therefore their (adopted) children have been made to feel "different." I'm not surprised to see the Times leading the charge on this once again.

[longtermmemmory]

The elephant in the living room is that children how to behave like men and women by modeling their mothers and fathers.

Little boys learn how to treat women by watching their fathers treat their mothers and vice versa.

Little girls learn how to treat men by watching their mothers treat their fathers and vice versa.

We already see the result of this with the "sons of murphy brown". Women who seek out single parenthood and disparage all that is "manhood".

Homosexuals have no business raising children into their lifestyle any more than the animal sex people or bondage people or any other sexual fetish people have on initiating their children. It is just wrong and a recepie for disaster.

Just as we have the Dirksig boy who was brutalized by the homosexual men, there must be stories about the boys and girls who escaped the homosexual parents.

There is that story out of NJ (I believe) where the boys in foster care were forced to eat wood and root around in the neighbor's garbage while their female charges were not mistreated.

[longtermmemmory]

actually acordig to the CDC 92+% of all new AIDS cases are homosexual related.

The non-homosexual cases can be traced back to a homosexual sex encounter. (ie a woman who had sex with a man who had at somepoint had sex with an infected man.)

Aids will infect anyone, but it is overwhelmingly centered on homosexual behavior.

[longtermmemmory]

Are these newspapers owned by the same head corporation? It smaks of when paramount suits ordered all their series to do an AIDS related story. It lead to many absurd episodes.

There must be an email somewhere directing editors to push this crap.

There is a "Blair" level story there to be found and documented.

[sunryse]

>But, homosexuals, either by nature or by choice, are not >supposed to be parents, biologically-speaking.

My mother couldn't have children, biologically-speaking. She made a wonderful mother. What's not to get?

[sunryse]

>Of course, the article avoids all of the nasty parts of >the issue, like your 16 year old adolescent having to >explain the 2 mommys to their Prom date, or daddy #1 >explaining why daddy #2 just died of AIDS.

Or why your Daddy left your mom for the floozy OTHER WOMAN in Vegas. Or why your Mom is in jail because she was running drugs for her BOYFRIEND. Scumbag parents do not just exist in the homosexual world. By your example, then ALL parenting is wrong based on a few idiots.

[lugsoul]

Just FYI. I'm pretty sure that Druid Hills is not the town's wealthiest golf club. It is one of the oldest - probably the fourth or fifth oldest, and I'm sure it is probably in the top ten in "wealth," but it is far from being "the" club in Atlanta. However, an overlooked aspect of this case, and the decision (non-binding, btw, but it went against DHGC) is that it would apply to all of the other old-line clubs in the city.

[independentmind]

It's an interesting stat, so call two or three same-sex parenting couples in your town and voila!

Why is it an interesting stat? How many of the children living in male homosexual households are natural born children of one the men? How many were adopted? What are the corresponding statistics for heterosexual couples? It's my guess that if you've gone through the extraordinary measures that most adoptive parents have, the chances are much better that one partner will be a "stay-at-home mom", so to speak.

Of course, that doesn't address the issue that the number of gay men who have children in their households is actually quite small.

[RoughDobermann]

My mother couldn't have children, biologically-speaking. She made a wonderful mother. What's not to get?

I assume that your mother had some medical problem/issue that precluded her from bearing children. That is not the case with homosexuals. Nature/God/whatever-you-want-to-call-it precludes them from it. Get that?

[sunryse]

>Then having a strong marriage of one man and one woman is >the way to go.

Sure, in a perfect world. But you can't guarantee a "strong marraige" just by being male/female.

[laurav]

But you can't guarantee a "strong marraige" just by being male/female

As, alas, Britney Spears' brief wedding and subsequent annulment show...

[Lucky Dog]

<<< I have never heard that a person can get AIDS from living with an AIDS patient. AIDS is spread by sexual contact and intravenous drug use. Besides, I don't think adoption agencies would place a child with someone sick with AIDS. >>>

My response to your implied question:

Quoted from the same scientific study I cited earlier”

>>> Death and disease accompany promiscuous and unsanitary sexual activity. 70% to 78% of gays reported having had a sexually transmitted disease. The proportion with intestinal parasites (worms, flukes, amoeba) ranged from 25% to 39% to 59%. As of 1992, 83% of U.S. AIDS in whites had occurred in gays.

Those who treat AIDS patients are at great risk, not only from HIV infection, which as of 1992 involved over 100 health care workers,21 but also from TB and new strains of other diseases. <<<

AIDS, which I mentioned, is one of several “blood borne pathogens.” Unfortunately, despite the term, “blood borne pathogens,” blood is far from the only body fluid that can transmit the diseases. It is possible to contract these diseases from almost any body fluid under the right circumstances with a long enough and intense enough exposure… i.e., constantly living in close proximity and using the same household fixtures, etc.

As to the adoption agency responsibility for placing children with homosexuals, the post speaks to this issue adequately… it is obviously happening. What is to prevent these diseases from infecting the children after they have been placed, i.e., a post placement infection of the adopting parties?

I hope this has answered your question.

[oceanperch]

Agree the Hell's Angels did a big PR thing too about 20yrs ago.
To change their image.

Truth is the truth no matter how anyone living in the dark tries to twist it.

Living in the light/truth is so much easier to get along in life...why we go astray even if only from time to time is a question that will be answered when we are standing in front of the Almighty. Hope we can stand the shame of selfishness.

[KantianBurke]

"In the beginning, I was even pig-headed about it," said Mr. Farina, who now has four children with his partner. "I wanted the kids to bond with us. I didn't want any help. In those first few years, I didn't even get baby sitters. I thought, `That's my job.' "

Wish some heterosexuals would have this opinion more often.

Bump to that sentiment. This society has produced a generation of Paris Hilton wannabes. And people wonder why men have zero interest in marriage. Perhaps because the "product" isn't worth purchasing.

[oceanperch]

Or the Lesbian couple here in Oregon who wanted to sue the Private Catholic school for not accepting their child.

I recently met a group of Gay woman and they seemed so miserable always complaining about how mistreated they were and who they HATED...esp. my hero Alan Keyes.

I was not going to argue with losers I just kindly smiled and said 'Isn't great to live in America"

Then I have known two woman who have been room mates for years and I never hear them whine or complain or even mention their sexuality as far as I am concerned they are two woman that are dear friends living together they are in their 60's and retired wonderful ladies.

So I guess it depends on the personal choices any of make on what type of charactors we are.

I am hetrosexaul and chose not to be sexually active by choice mainly because I was left to raise my son on my own and wanted to be free from distractions. He is now 24 and last summer I had the most fantastic physically speaking affair so many cheered me on but personally it is not in my charactor to have an affair and continue that lifestyle.

If people choose to have it all lovers, children and careers I think that is great if it succeeds but the more people take on at times the more they seem to be the lowliest, gossipiest and whiniest of all. JMO

[spodefly]

Just like to know what people think about this.

Aside from the fact that homosexuality is completely un-natural and goes against every single impulse that has ever brought life to this planet, and aside from the fact that same-sex couples playing house and raising children is just the latest perversion of nature to sweep our socially engineered world, I don't have a problem with it.