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Doesn’t Anyone Remember Tom Lehrer?
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | January 13, 2004 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 01/13/2004 1:44:50 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

In the entire weekend discussion of the President Bush’s “guest worker” proposal for (mostly) Mexicans in the United States, there was a yawning omission. Doesn’t anybody remember Tom Lehrer, George Murphy, or the braceros? As the master himself was wont to say, “Here’s a song about that.”

Shortly after the 1964 election in which California elected a singer/actor, George Murphy, as its new Senator, Tom Lehrer presented his musical “salute to your new junior senator” at the legendary Hungry I in San Francisco. Some of what Lehrer said and sang, so long ago, requires updating. In his introduction to the song “George Murphy,” he said, “I'm from Massachusetts, and I feel that we have a certain right to gloat over the other states because Massachusetts is after all the only state with three senators.” That is no longer accurate. Substitute Arkansas for Massachusetts and it becomes accurate today.

But part of that old, relatively unknown song is current, accurate, and applies to the Bush proposals on Mexican workers in the United States. The few of you who are devotes of the opera of Lehrer know exactly where this is headed. You’re smiling; I know you are.

The song begins:

“Hollywood's often tried to mix
Show business with politics
From Helen Gahagan
To Ronald Reagan
But Mister Murphy is the star
Who's done the best by far....”

Gahagan was a Congresswoman from California, a former Broadway star, defeated by Richard Nixon in a campaign that attacked this actress as being “pink down to her underwear.” The names of the candidates have changed with the passing decades, but not their politics. Ronald Reagan was just beginning his first term as Governor of California. Thirty-nine years later, Hollywood is still up to its Spockian ears in politics.

But the subject of today’s sermonette is the Bush proposal on Mexicans in the United States, and what should and will happen to that proposal as it wends its way through Congress. The charges and countercharges, the social and legislative battles have only just begun. But in the flood of words broadcast and written in the opening weekend of this struggle, no one mentioned that we HAVE ALREADY HAD such a program. It worked. And it lasted for 22 years.

Here’s how the song introduces this subject:

“The movies that you've seen
On your television screen
Show his legislative talents at a glance
Should Americans pick crops, George says no
'Cause no one but a Mexican would stoop so low
And after all, even in Egypt, the pharaohs
Had to import Hebrew braceros....”

The Bracero program was negotiated in 1942 between the US and Mexico, and adopted by Congress as a law. With so many Americans going into the military, or into war production industries, there simply wasn’t the manpower available for American farmers to bring in their crops with American labor. On an accelerated basis, the US and Mexico agreed that hundreds of thousands of Mexicans would come into the US for certain agricultural jobs, at certain minimum wages, with a savings program built in with that money being returned to the workers when they returned to Mexico.

There were problems with the bracero program, but overall it was essential to the economies of both the United States and Mexico during WW II. In fact, the program worked so well that it was extended after the war for 20 years, not ending until 1964.

My understanding of the bracero program is that Mexico cooperated with the US in policing the border between our nations, and that illegal immigration was held to an absolute minimum. The Mexican workers in the US were not guaranteed general access to American schools or medical facilities, and when they had children born while they were in the US, those children were Mexicans, not Americans.

The program was ended because of the conclusion that the program caused the Mexican “guest workers” to be treated inhumanely. Yet the opposite conclusion, that anyone in the United States regardless of how or why they got here are entitled to the full panoply of American health, education and social services today is bleeding our nation dry in public costs, especially in California, Texas and Florida.

Am I suggesting that anyone should die for lack of emergency medical care, as Billie Holliday did on a southern highway because, being black, she could not be taken to the nearest hospital? Of course not. But I am suggesting that the level of services available should be a matter of negotiation between the US and Mexico, with Mexico participating in the payment of the costs for that.

Next is the matter of citizenship. There have been instances of Mexican women who are eight months pregnant, dying in the deserts of Arizona, or in locked vans attempting to smuggle them into the US, because they wanted their children to be born in the US and therefore become American citizens. This is an insane result for all concerned, and Congress has the power, if it so chooses, to solve this problem by legal definition.

No child born of parents in the US illegally, or legally under tourist or guest worker provisions which require them to return to their own nations, should become American citizens by accident of such births.

Again, I am not suggesting any attempted change (if attempted, I do not think it would succeed), to change the citizenship status of any child or adult who is now recognized as an American. However, going forward, this problem can and should be solved in the legislation that will eventually grow from this proposal.

A good friend of mine, and colleague as a journalist, is a Canadian who married an American, is working toward his American citizenship, and all three of their children are Americans. If one parent is an American, the children are American. And, the goal of preserving families should be retained. This policy only presents a problem when it is pushed to the limit – an infant just born to illegal immigrants is an “American” and therefore the entire extended family of eight people have a leg up on remaining in the US and becoming American citizens.

And let’s address the tendency of “immigrant rights” organization to avoid the word “illegal” in all they say and write, and even going so far as to claim that it is prejudicial even to refer to these “undocumented workers” as “illegals.” When Jesse James robbed a bank at gunpoint, was he making an “undocumented withdrawal”? When a fat cat pays a bribe to a politician, is he only making an “undocumented political donation”? Gimme a d*mned break.

If and when a legislative program results from the Bush proposal, it should make an absolute distinction between all who are granted the right to work in the US for a period of years, and those who have violated US law and continue to violate it by staying here illegally. A centerpiece of the legislation should be that all Mexicans or other nationals who wish to work in the US MUST sign up for the program with full ID (photographs and fingerprints) to do so. And all who do NOT sign up that way, are subject to immediate arrest and deportation. To give Mexico an incentive to control its own side of the border, the costs of apprehending and expelling all illegals after the new program is set up, should be reimbursed from the Mexican government.

As the saying goes, “the Devil is in the details.” Those who think the US should stick its head in the sand and continue to ignore a disastrous situation will label any steps taken now as “amnesty.” But the program will not actually be an amnesty if it draws clear differences between those who are “guest workers” and those who are following all aspects of the law to earn their citizenship through existing channels.

The bracero program between 1942 and 1964 brought at its maximum about 700,000 Mexican citizens per year into the United States to work. It is both amazing to me, and appalling, that none of the politicians or talking heads who weighed in on the Bush proposal this weekend ever uttered the word “bracero.” It is garden-variety common sense that if the nation has done something in the past, any present proposal ought to take into account both the benefits and the liabilities of the last program, in designing any new program. “Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.” Georges Santayana.

One last tidbit from Lehrer’s song is appropriate here, since we are now into a presidential election year. Murphy’s two best-known performances on Broadway were in musical reviews. (His film appearances were mostly in B movies.) The song ends:

“Yes, now that he's a Senator, he's really got the chance
To give the public [long piano riff, punch the last four words] a song and dance....”

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About the Author: John Armor is an author and columnist on politics and history. He currently has an Exploratory Committee to run for Congress.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Florida; US: North Carolina; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; braceros; bush; georgemurphy; illegalimmigration; mexico; richardnixon; tomlehrer
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1 posted on 01/13/2004 1:44:53 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
I do indeed, remember Tom Lehrer, Congressman. That takes me backs decades...
2 posted on 01/13/2004 1:48:43 PM PST by Old Sarge (149th Armored Brigade, KyARNG: Bosnia-bound. Remember Them.)
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Everytime I'm "poisoning pigeons in the park" *

*Note: CCC has never poisoned pigeons. It's a joke, son.

3 posted on 01/13/2004 1:50:22 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Once again, Leon can't do everything)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Everyone who has heard Tom Lehrer remembers him. His CDs are stll on the record shelves everywhere.
4 posted on 01/13/2004 1:50:42 PM PST by js1138
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To: Congressman Billybob
Just found Tom Lehrer's first self-released LP in the thrift store...great stuff!
5 posted on 01/13/2004 1:52:32 PM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Oh yeah, I remember old Tom. I believe he taught/teaches math here at UCSC. My favorite song was "It's a long way from amphyoxis."
6 posted on 01/13/2004 1:55:09 PM PST by EggsAckley (....................We've fallen, and we can't get up......................)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
The Vatican Rag
7 posted on 01/13/2004 1:55:53 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Ever dance to "The Masochism Tango"?
8 posted on 01/13/2004 1:56:27 PM PST by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I always liked "National Brotherhood Week"; "one week to be nice to someone inferior to you."
9 posted on 01/13/2004 1:58:37 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I liked "masochism tango."

10 posted on 01/13/2004 1:59:10 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Congressman Billybob
Is Tom Lehrer still alive? My kids love his songs....Allan Sherman's too.

Wasn't Lehrer a math teacher at Harvard?

11 posted on 01/13/2004 1:59:49 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: 1066AD

The Vatican Rag


Another big news story of year concerned the ecumenical council in Rome, known as Vatican II. Among the things they did in an attempt to make the church more commercial was to introduce the vernacular into portions of the mass, to replace Latin, and to widen somewhat the range of music permissible in the liturgy, but I feel that if they really want to sell the product, in this secular age, what they ought to do is to redo some of the liturgical music in popular song forms. I have a modest example here. It's called The Vatican Rag.

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!


12 posted on 01/13/2004 2:00:00 PM PST by TroutStalker (Whip me, strip me, tie me, fly me -- catch & release)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I thought Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was his name.
13 posted on 01/13/2004 2:00:09 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Congressman Billybob
I know my dad still has a Tom Lehrer LP. I remember listening to it, I've always liked "New Math"
14 posted on 01/13/2004 2:00:36 PM PST by Crazieman
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To: Congressman Billybob
Gee ain't it great (dum de de dum de dum)
At last we've got a senator who can
Really sing and dance.
You can't expect America to win against its foes,
With no one in the Senate,
Who can really tap his toes!
15 posted on 01/13/2004 2:01:16 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Congressman Billybob
I've been a big fan of Lehrer since the '60s, catching him at the Hungry i in San Francisco doing what became That Was The Year That Was -- on which album was the Song about Senator Murphy. When the song was released (in '64) Reagan was just giving speeches for Goldwater and conservatism generally, he wasn't elected governor until 1966.

I remember the bracero program. It worked well for the farmers and the Mexicans. The ones who hated it were the Mexican-American farm laborers (those whom Caesar Chavez was organizing) who felt it depressed wages for them and other American unions (remember in the '60s the unions were pretty strong) who wanted to have higher wage union crop jobs.

Lehrer was (is?, I think he's still kicking around Santa Cruz where he taught math for many years) quite a liberal, but he was not politically correct. I loved his line in the song about "Old Mexico":

How I'm longing to get back
to the land of the Wetback
And forget the Alamo!
In Old Mexicooooo. Ole!

16 posted on 01/13/2004 2:04:16 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Yeah....I remember Lehrer....my first true liberal.

His kind of humor left me cold.....i.e.,

The Boy Scout Marching Song:

"Don't solicit for your sister

That's not nice

Unless you get a good percentage

Of her price!

17 posted on 01/13/2004 2:06:01 PM PST by JimVT
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To: Congressman Billybob
Poisoning Pigeons in the Park and the one that goes, "Ohhhhh the catholics hate the protestants and the protestants hate the Jews". I had a book of some of his songs and don't know what's become of it. Funny stuff.
18 posted on 01/13/2004 2:07:01 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Congressman Billybob
This Tom Lehrer?

March 1 2003

Tom Lehrer is still feisty and funny, but the king of sophisticated satire tells Tony Davis there's no place for his style of humour now: the world just wouldn't get it. 'I'm not tempted to write a song about George W.Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirise George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporise them."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/28/1046407753895.html

19 posted on 01/13/2004 2:08:12 PM PST by philo
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To: Congressman Billybob
"The Mexican workers in the US were not guaranteed general access to American schools or medical facilities, and when they had children born while they were in the US, those children were Mexicans, not Americans."

I'm quite sure the author is WRONG on this account. If born in the US, they were citizens, then and now.

I'm open to being proved wrong, but on this I'm fairly certain.

20 posted on 01/13/2004 2:09:02 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: CounterCounterCulture
My favorite is the Werner von Braun song.
"I German oder English, I know how to count down"
"And I'm learning Chinese, say Werner von Braun."
21 posted on 01/13/2004 2:09:28 PM PST by Little Ray (Why settle for a Lesser Evil? Cthuhlu for President!)
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To: Cap Huff
I thought Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was his name.

"That's why God made yer' eyes:

Plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize!"

22 posted on 01/13/2004 2:10:05 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Congressman Billybob
I grew up in a small citrus town in CA from 1945, graduating from HS in 1963. During virtually that whole period, the bracero program was in place. Essentially, I spent my entire youth with the bracero program.

Here's how it worked: workers, mostly during harvest time, were imported from Mexico. They lived in compounds on the outskirts of town, compounds surrounded by barbed wire. Their housing was simple wood shacks, built by the management company. Cold water only and central latrines.

The workers were allowed out of the compound on their day off, but were otherwise confined to the camps. The camp had a store, where they bought what was needed...at seriously inflated prices. On their day out, they generally visited second-hand stores and one Hispanic market.

Pay was well below the going rate for labor, and the braceros were charged for their housing and food at rates that insured that they had little money left.

There was no legal supervision of the companies who ran these camps, and no monitoring of anything at all. The camps were owned by the local packing houses, who contracted with the citrus growers for labor as part of their overall contract for picking and packing the crop.

Near the end of the program, things improved slightly for the braceros, but the program ended in 1962, with tons of scandals, etc.

This program did not work. Period. The crops got picked, but at the cost of the decency of the local citizens. Everyone knew about the camps and the conditions there, but it was all ignored for economic reasons.

A couple of the local churches did make an effort to minister to the braceros, but when they began to protest about the conditions in the camps and the financial exploitation by the owners of the camps and packing houses, they were denied access to the braceros.

The program ended. Within two years, the illegals were there, filling the gap left by the braceros. Oddly enough, the illegals earned more money and sent more back to their families. They still lived in the same camps, but the barbed wire was gone.

It was not a pretty time. Whether you're a conservative or not, there are some minimum standards we ought to apply to guest workers of any kind. The bracero program was corrupt and inhumane. Its ending was overdue in 1962.
23 posted on 01/13/2004 2:10:17 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Bernard Marx
But, be sure am always to call it, please . . . research!
24 posted on 01/13/2004 2:11:24 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: truth_seeker
""The Mexican workers in the US were not guaranteed general access to American schools or medical facilities, and when they had children born while they were in the US, those children were Mexicans, not Americans."

I'm quite sure the author is WRONG on this account. If born in the US, they were citizens, then and now.
"

During the bracero program, women were not permitted in the camps. Very different situation.
25 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:00 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Yeah, I remember. His anti-military "humor" sucked then and it sucks now.
26 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:27 PM PST by pabianice
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To: Congressman Billybob
Unfortunately, I remember him. While searching for lyrics almost a year ago, I found this-




Stop clapping, this is serious
March 1 2003
Illustration: Simon Bosch

"Tom Lehrer is still feisty and funny, but the king of sophisticated satire tells Tony Davis there's no place for his style of humour now: the world just wouldn't get it.

"'I'm not tempted to write a song about George W.Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's the problem: I don't want to satirise George Bush and his puppeteers, I want to vaporise them."

"The speaker is Tom Lehrer, arguably the most famous living satirical songwriter. And, in a roundabout way, the New York-born singer, composer and mathematician is explaining why he has been all but silent since 1965.

..."
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/28/1046407753895.html
27 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:36 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker (Barrett M82A1)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Great column, CB! I remember and love Tom Lehrer. Have his original records, too.

A few years ago, Brian Wilson conducted an excellent interview with Tom Lehrer on KSFO. Wish I had recorded it.

Fight Fiercely, Harvard!
28 posted on 01/13/2004 2:12:36 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"Doesn’t Anyone Remember Tom Lehrer?"

The question is, What ever became of Huuuuu-bert?
29 posted on 01/13/2004 2:13:50 PM PST by Darnright
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To: thulldud
A big "Fracture my spine, and swear that you're mine" bump.
30 posted on 01/13/2004 2:14:32 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Under penalty of law: This tag not to be removed except by the user.)
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To: philo
I see I took a couple minutes too long digging through bookmarks!
Here's a page of links that's still valid:
http://www.wiw.org/~drz/tom.lehrer/
31 posted on 01/13/2004 2:15:32 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker (Barrett M82A1)
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To: philo
OW!
32 posted on 01/13/2004 2:16:10 PM PST by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: Congressman Billybob
She weighted her brother down with stones
Sing rickety tickety tin
She weighted her brother down with stones
And sent him off to Davey Jones
All they ever found were some bones
And occasional pieces of skin, of skin
Occasional pieces of skin.
33 posted on 01/13/2004 2:16:46 PM PST by T'wit (There is only one form of government: too much)
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To: CatoRenasci
....quite a liberal, but he was not politically correct.

Nobody was "Politically Correct" (except Marxists) in those days. The term had not yet been invented (except for Marxists), and we still had Free Speech in the US and Britain. 1984 was just a novel (tho' a good one).

34 posted on 01/13/2004 2:16:57 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Little Ray
My favorite is the Werner von Braun song.

"'Once a rocket goes up,

Who cares vere day come down --

That's not my department,' says Wernher von Braun."

35 posted on 01/13/2004 2:20:44 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Lizavetta
I have never heard of Tom Lehrer. I originally thought that the poster meant to type "Jim Lehrer."
36 posted on 01/13/2004 2:21:25 PM PST by Theodore R. (When will they ever learn?)
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To: FormerlyAnotherLurker
This guy Lehrer is like an early version of "satirist" Al Franken.
By the way, is he any relation to Jim Lehrer?
37 posted on 01/13/2004 2:24:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Aliska
Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews.
38 posted on 01/13/2004 2:25:13 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker (Barrett M82A1)
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To: Lancey Howard
No relation.
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/9296

Unlike Franken, he was funny.
Now, just a lot of anger like most liberals - rather sad.
39 posted on 01/13/2004 2:28:32 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker (Barrett M82A1)
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To: Congressman Billybob
My Dad has a collection of them that we used to sneak off to listen to (we were too young to "understand.") He was a Professor and Ex-Marine. Conservative and taught environmental courses before it was cool. (remember SOAR?)

It was extremely hard not to sing the lyrics and give ourselves away.


"We'll murder them all in laughter and merriment.
Except for the few we take home to experiment."

Thanks for reminding me.
40 posted on 01/13/2004 2:32:18 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: Lancey Howard
This guy Lehrer is like an early version of "satirist" Al Franken.

Except Tom was funny.

41 posted on 01/13/2004 2:32:58 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Lancey Howard
This guy Lehrer is like an early version of "satirist" Al Franken.

Only Tom Leher is funny.

42 posted on 01/13/2004 2:34:13 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: MineralMan
During the bracero program, women were not permitted in the camps.

Bingo

What is also unstated is that today over 75% of illegal immigrants are employed in the services industry, not agribusiness.

The services industry tends toward year around, stable employment which leads to the ability to support a family here in the US permanently.

A by product of the transition of Mexican immigrants from field hand to janitor is its effect on organized labor and politics in California. Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D- California Senate) is an excellent example. Cedillo is an anchor baby and past president of the largest, foreign, labor local in the US. The janitorial union local in the LA basin.

43 posted on 01/13/2004 2:34:19 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Restorer
beat me by two minutes
44 posted on 01/13/2004 2:34:50 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (If everything you experienced, believed, lived was a lie, would you want to know the truth?)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Everytime I'm "poisoning pigeons in the park"

That's the one that came to my mind too!

45 posted on 01/13/2004 2:37:06 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Congressman Billybob
He was on a TV show back in the 60s, singing and playing a piano.
46 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:25 PM PST by A. Morgan
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
Actually, FormerlyAnotherLurker beat us both. :)

But we're all three correct.
47 posted on 01/13/2004 2:41:43 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
So Long, Mom

So Long, Mom
(Tom Lehrer)

So long mom, I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me,
But while you swelter down there in your shelter
You can see me. . .On your TV.

While we're attacking frontally, watch Brinkley and Huntley
Describing contrapuntally the cities we have lost.
No need for you to miss a minute of the agonizing holocaust.

Little Johnnie Jones was a US pilot, no shrinking violet was he.
He was mighty proud when world war three was declared
He wasn't scared, no siree.
And this is what he said on his way to Armaggedon:

So long, mom, I'm off to drop the bomb, so don't wait up for me,
But though I may roam, I'll come back to my home,
Although it may be a pile of debris.

Remember Mommy, I'm off to get a Commie,
So send me a salami, and try to smile somehow.
I'll look for you when the war is over,
An hour and a half from now.

48 posted on 01/13/2004 2:46:34 PM PST by A. Morgan
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To: Restorer
Yeah, but I lost out on the Sydney Morning Herald article by a couple minutes to philo.
I have to learn to type faster!
AND, to refresh the page before I hit "post."
Also, changing my tagline from a couple days ago might be a nice idea.
49 posted on 01/13/2004 2:48:41 PM PST by FormerlyAnotherLurker (This space for rent)
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To: Congressman Billybob
"Vunce der rockets go up, who care vere they come down. It's not mein department." says Wernher von Braun.
50 posted on 01/13/2004 2:49:33 PM PST by Jonah Hex (If repetition wasn't a good thing, why would people get married?)
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