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Arizona Prepares For Secession From US
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 1-14004 | Julie Foster

Posted on 01/14/2004 2:59:22 PM PST by riri

An Arizona state legislative committee has approved a resolution calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the event that it abolishes the U.S. Constitution, declares martial law or confiscates firearms -- scenarios some say are not unrealistic. Critics of the resolution, however, call the measure a "total waste of time."

Rep. Karen Johnson, a Mesa Republican and chair of the House Committee on Federal Mandates and States' Rights, authored the resolution which the committee approved 3-2. Only the committee's vice-chair, Republican Rep. Gail Griffin, abstained from voting.

Specifically, House Concurrent Resolution 2034 outlines the origin of the United States, emphasizing the sovereignty of the states and their constitutional right to "establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically superceded the Articles."

It also articulates constitutional violations committed by the federal government as justification for the measure, saying "... the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the [Constitution] have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders," says the resolution.

By adopting HRC 2034, Arizona states its intention to dissolve the current federal government with the approval of 34 other states and, in essence, start over. Participating states would re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution "as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary," in keeping with the original intent of the "founding fathers." Individual members of the military will return to their respective states and report to the governor until a new president is elected.

In addition, each state will assume a prorated portion of the national debt and will own all land within its borders. After the new government is formed, the remaining 15 states will be permitted to join the revised union upon application, as was the case with the original union.

A three-year veteran to the Arizona Legislature, Johnson told the Sierra Times the resolution is "insurance policy." "If the federal government declares martial law or attempts to confiscate guns, the states shouldn't have to put up with that," she said.

Joseph Stumph, well-known author and historian, testified in favor of the resolution at the hearing.

"We're proposing that if things get as bad as they could get, that these states won't allow the federal government to put us into a one-world government," said Stumph, who is publishing a similar proposal in his home state of Utah. "I don't expect we'll get 35 states to sign on. The American people are not educated enough on this yet," he added.

The resolution was introduced Jan. 26, and now needs to be approved by the Arizona House. Should HRC 2034 successfully complete the legislative process, it will appear on the November ballot for voter approval. But one legislator does not think the measure will be taken seriously.

Rep. Bill Brotherton, a Democrat member of Johnson's committee, called efforts to promote the bill a "total waste of time."

"Obviously ... one of the more important issues we have is mental health in this state," Brotherton said mockingly. "I wonder if we are going to have a bill on the grassy knoll next to decide who shot Kennedy."

Johnson said she was asked by several Maricopa County residents to look into preventing the federal government from asserting power not authorized by the federal and state Constitutions. To Johnson, the resolution is a watered down, limited version of the "Ultimatum Resolution," written and promoted by Stump.

Johnson said HRC 2034 was introduced in response to recent actions by the Clinton administration regarding the Grand Canyon. On a recent trip to the landmark, President Clinton declared three new national monuments, threatening the property and livelihood of ranchers in the region.

Fears of martial law and firearm confiscation are mere "conspiracy theories" to some, but in light of the elaborate preparations government made for potential Y2K problems -- including a ready-to-sign executive order giving Clinton the equivalent of dictatorial powers -- "these fears have become real possibilities," according to Johnson.

Johnson also made it clear that the action of possible secession should only take place if the federal government suspends or violates the Constitution without approval from the state.

"There may be times when the nation may be at war, and such steps may need to be taken. But the states should have a backup plan if necessary," she said.

Arizona is not alone in its fears. Johnson noted other legislators in other states are considering taking similar steps.

Despite her current success with HRC 2034, Johnson is not relying solely on non-binding resolutions to ensure state sovereignty. She has been joined by a coalition of six other Arizona state representatives, private ranchers and other states' legislators in a lawsuit filed against the federal government.

The lawsuit is an attempt to reverse creation of the Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument, which covers more than 1 million acres of land, roughly the same amount as Grand Canyon National Park. The group says national monument status will affect use and access to its private property, which will be surrounded by the federal property.

It also asks the court to find the 1906 Antiquities Act, used to create the Parashant monument, unconstitutional.. The coalition's lawyer claims the president "has taken the act to the point of actually abusing the rights of people in the West."

The act gives presidents emergency authority to protect threatened federal lands or "objects of historic and scientific interest," but lawyer Lana Marcussen said that in using the act for a non-emergency case, the president has gone too far.

Julie Foster is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: abolish; arizona; constitution; secession; stump

1 posted on 01/14/2004 2:59:23 PM PST by riri
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To: riri
a resolution calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the event that it abolishes the U.S. Constitution

Why would the feds bother abolishing the Constitution when the Supreme Court allows them to ignore it---in some cases to the cheers of alleged 'conservatives'?

2 posted on 01/14/2004 3:02:41 PM PST by Land of the Free 04
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To: riri
Well, Arizona Politics and Politicians have never been what you'd call "TOP DRAWER"...I'd say they're more like "lockboxes"!
3 posted on 01/14/2004 3:03:38 PM PST by princess leah
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To: HiJinx; JackelopeBreeder; adam_az; DLfromthedesert; hsmomx3
ping
4 posted on 01/14/2004 3:04:08 PM PST by riri
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To: riri
There is no such thing as States' Rights. Father Abraham abolished them in 1865.
5 posted on 01/14/2004 3:08:47 PM PST by Comus
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To: princess leah
May the ghost of Barry Goldwater haunt your day!
6 posted on 01/14/2004 3:10:10 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: princess leah
er, days. :)
7 posted on 01/14/2004 3:10:26 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: riri

Awwwwwwww they just wanna see if anyone chases after them..
8 posted on 01/14/2004 3:11:50 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: stainlessbanner
emphasizing the sovereignty of the states and their constitutional right to "establish a new federal government for themselves

That was already tried about 140 years ago. The feds do not recognized state sovereignty or the Constitutional right to self determination.

9 posted on 01/14/2004 3:23:26 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (pro gun Mother's Day 2004! www.2asisters.org)
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To: riri
A bold move to say the least.
10 posted on 01/14/2004 3:27:05 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: riri
I think Mr. Brotherton is right about emphasizing mental health issues in his state....I'm sure there's a whole lot of people like him suffering from rectal/cranial inversion disease. Probably the result of watching the ongoing Kobe/MJ/Martha/Pete Rose slop and nonsense while thinking he's really getting the real news....yes, another useful idiot is created.
11 posted on 01/14/2004 3:32:31 PM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: american spirit
Not much of an opus. Didn't say anything about how great the U.S. used to be.
12 posted on 01/14/2004 3:35:46 PM PST by bayourod ( Dean's anti-terrorism plan: "treat people with respect and they will treat you with respect"12/1/03)
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To: riri
Your link didn't go to the article. Could you give me a better one?
13 posted on 01/14/2004 3:41:09 PM PST by CFW
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To: Paul C. Jesup
When I lived in Alaska they had their own party who were sorry they came in to the USA. I knew people who had voted to come in and were sorry they had.They talked about it freely. These people always set up tables with all the parties, to hand out information. Can not think of the name of the party right now.Seemed odd as I came from Mass and had family that were in the war to start country.I could not see any one leaving.May not like things about the USA but I do like my country and would just like it to be better.I am just an American.
14 posted on 01/14/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by sawyer
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To: riri
An oldie but goody!! Bttt!
15 posted on 01/14/2004 3:43:31 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: riri
I remember this one, but can't remember which year it was...
16 posted on 01/14/2004 3:44:12 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: riri
This is an old story from years ago.

For one, I don't believe that the legislature is yet in session.

But, most obviously to me, Gail Griffin hasn't been a state representative for years. She's currently serving as the Chairman of the Cochise County Republican Committee.

I remember that this was voted on in committee years ago but nothing ever came of it. I don't believe it made it to the house floor.

17 posted on 01/14/2004 3:45:54 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: riri
SUNDAY FEBRUARY 6 2000

This is a February 2000 article. Any reason you are posting it today?

18 posted on 01/14/2004 3:47:06 PM PST by CFW
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To: american spirit
Rep. Bill Brotherton, a Democrat member of Johnson's committee, called efforts to promote the bill a "total waste of time."

"Obviously ... one of the more important issues we have is mental health in this state," Brotherton said mockingly. "I wonder if we are going to have a bill on the grassy knoll next to decide who shot Kennedy."

Note the similarity in language to the many shills who appear on FR whenever anyone suggests doing something other than kvetching about overreaching federal power.

19 posted on 01/14/2004 3:53:12 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: riri
You Go Girl!
20 posted on 01/14/2004 3:53:35 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: sawyer
It is the Alaska Republic Party. They still have an active political fringe machine.
21 posted on 01/14/2004 4:01:53 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: SouthernFreebird
Maybe the "FOX" will start after them.
22 posted on 01/14/2004 4:01:56 PM PST by caisson71
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To: riri
They could spell supersede better.
23 posted on 01/14/2004 4:03:05 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: eno_
Well, it does seem like the modus operandi for the "everything happens by accident" crowd now doesn't it? I can't remember the whole phrase right now but it goes something like truth usually goes through different phases such as: ridicule, denial, questioning, etc. before eventual acceptance....some folks are just in the early stages of really understanding what's going on and when you don't have a real intellectual argument to counter issues like these the useful idiot has no choice but resort to ridicule.
24 posted on 01/14/2004 4:06:59 PM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: riri
Hey, when did they move the grassy knoll to Arizona?

Actually, with Bush to the point of handing Fox the keys to the Alamo, we may be hearing the drums of secession in Texas soon, too.
25 posted on 01/14/2004 4:10:20 PM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: Spiff
This is an old story?

No wonder I can't find it at World News Daily.

Makes you wonder why it was posted with today's date.
26 posted on 01/14/2004 4:11:46 PM PST by Columbine
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To: riri
An Arizona state legislative committee has approved a resolution calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the event that it abolishes the U.S. Constitution, declares martial law or confiscates firearms

The government at Washington is a creature of the Constitution.

No Constitution, no government at Washington.

27 posted on 01/14/2004 4:14:48 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: riri
"The American people are not educated enough on this yet," he added."

And never will be as long as the "education" of our children comes from the federal government indoctrination centers.

28 posted on 01/14/2004 4:29:19 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: Land of the Free 04
We all need to insist that our state reps do the same! This is very good news.
29 posted on 01/14/2004 4:32:18 PM PST by jpsb (")
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To: stainlessbanner; Servant of the 9; null and void; viaveritasvita; nicmarlo; Budge; TheBattman
I thought this might be of interest.
30 posted on 01/14/2004 4:37:11 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: sweetliberty
I thought this was a recent article - until I saw the date.

I still think it's a GREAT idea!

31 posted on 01/14/2004 5:05:15 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: stainlessbanner; Servant of the 9; null and void; viaveritasvita; nicmarlo; Budge; TheBattman
Never mind. This is an old article.
32 posted on 01/14/2004 5:05:29 PM PST by sweetliberty (Even the smallest person can change the course of the future. - (LOTR))
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To: Budge; sweetliberty
Doh! I thought it was current too. I got linked through a different site and I briefly scanned over it.

Sorry all....

33 posted on 01/14/2004 5:24:50 PM PST by riri
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To: sweetliberty
BTTT.
34 posted on 01/14/2004 6:59:08 PM PST by demlosers
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To: CFW
The original article: Arizona Prepares For Secession From US
35 posted on 01/14/2004 7:05:01 PM PST by demlosers
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To: riri
How nice to hear that the Arizona legislature has the spare time to consider such measures.
36 posted on 01/14/2004 7:07:50 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: PistolPaknMama; stainlessbanner
Last I heard, Mexico was attempting to secede from the US. The President will keep them here by force. </sarcasm>
37 posted on 01/14/2004 7:11:12 PM PST by 4CJ (Dialing 911 doesn't stop a crime - a .45 does.)
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To: Comus
Father Abraham abolished them in 1865.

BINGO!

38 posted on 01/14/2004 7:11:27 PM PST by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA Bring 'em Home, Or Send us Back!! Semper Fi)
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To: riri
Wait just a doggone minute...we don't have enough troops yet
39 posted on 01/14/2004 7:27:40 PM PST by rangebum
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To: monkeywrench; riri
I thought this wasn't recent because, I think, Gail Griffin is no longer in the legislature, but a County Chair.
40 posted on 01/14/2004 9:21:45 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (What is the point of fighting in Iraq if we surrender to Vicente?)
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To: riri
Here's the original secession ordinance adopted in the territory of Arizona in 1861:

"WHEREAS, a sectional party of the North has disregarded the Constitution of the United States, violated the rights of the Southern States, and heaped wrongs and indignities upon their people; and WHEREAS, the Government of the United States has heretofore failed to give us adequate protection against the savages within our midst and has denied us an administration of the laws, and that security for life, liberty, and property which is due from all governments to the people; and WHEREAS, it is an inherent, inalienable right in all people to modify, alter, or abolish their form of government whenever it fails in the legitimate objects of its institution, or when it is subversive thereof; and WHEREAS, in a government of federated, sovereign States, each State has a right to withdraw from the confederacy whenever the treaty by which the league is formed, is broken; and WHEREAS, the Territories belonging to said league in common should be divided when the league is broken, and should be attached to the separating States according to their geographical position and political identity; and WHEREAS, Arizona naturally belongs to the Confederate States of America (who have rightfully and lawfully withdrawn from said league), both geographically and politically, by ties of a common interest and a common cause; and WHEREAS we, the citizens of that part of New Mexico called Arizona, in the present distracted state of political affairs between the North and the South, deem it our duty as citizens of the United States to make known our opinions and intentions; therefore be it

RESOLVED, That our feelings and interests are with the Southern States , and that although we deplore the division of the Union, yet we cordially indorse the course pursued by the seceded Southern States.

RESOLVED, That geographically and naturally we are bound to the South, and to her we look for protection; and as the Southern States have formed a Confederacy, it is our earnest desire to be attached to that Confederacy as a Territory.

RESOLVED, That we do not desire to be attached as a Territory to any State seceding separately from the Union, but to and under the protection of a Confederacy of the Southern States.

RESOLVED, That the recent enactment of the Federal Congress, removing the mail service from the Atlantic to the Pacific States from the Southern to the Central or Northern route, is another powerful reason for us to ask the Southern Confederate States of America for a continuation of the postal service over the Butterfield or El Paso route, at the earliest period.

RESOLVED, That it shall be the duty of the President of this Convention to order an election for a delegate to the Congress of the Confederate States of America, when he is informed that the States composing said Confederacy have ordered an election for members of Congress.

RESOLVED, That we will not recognize the present Black Republican Administration, and that we will resist any officers appointed to this Territory by said Administration with whatever means in our power.

RESOLVED, That the citizens residing in the western portion of this Territory are invited to join us in this movement.

RESOLVED, That the proceedings of this Convention be published in the Mesilla Times, and that a copy thereof be forwarded to the President of the Congress of the Confederate States of America, with the request that the same be laid before Congress."

41 posted on 01/14/2004 11:53:00 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
My friend, I learn something new every day. Along with the Arizona Territory and the Cherokeee Nation, the Choctaw Nation also joined the Confederacy in 1861.

42 posted on 01/15/2004 5:29:43 AM PST by 4CJ (Dialing 911 doesn't stop a crime - a .45 does.)
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To: PistolPaknMama
"The feds do not recognized state sovereignty or the Constitutional right to self determination."

The feds, as in so many instances, are wrong.
43 posted on 01/15/2004 6:02:06 AM PST by ought-six
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To: riri
If this resolution were to be resurrected in the heat of the current neocon fervor, Arizona should get ready for the federal troops to come in. It might be OK for states to leave the former Soviet Union peacefully, but it cannot be tolerated in Lincoln's empire.
44 posted on 01/15/2004 6:03:53 AM PST by reelfoot
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To: Land of the Free 04
As in Rome, the machinery and trappings of the republic will long outlast the republic itself.
45 posted on 01/15/2004 6:04:13 AM PST by LN2Campy
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To: Land of the Free 04; Mudboy Slim; scholar
"Why would the feds bother abolishing the Constitution when the Supreme Court allows them to ignore it---in some cases to the cheers of alleged 'conservatives'?"

Obviously the winner for "Quote of the Decade."

Of course due to the sheer weight of its truth.

...it must also be ignored.

47 posted on 01/15/2004 6:23:03 AM PST by Landru (Tagline Schmagline...)
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