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Reworked images reveal hot Venus
BBC ^ | 1-13-03 | Dr David Whitehouse

Posted on 01/14/2004 5:25:16 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser

Reworked images reveal hot Venus

By Dr David Whitehouse

Mars it is not: Reprocessed Venus image

As the world looks at Mars, an American scientist has produced the best images ever obtained from the surface of a rather different planet - Venus.

The second planet from the Sun is blanketed with a thick layer of cloud.

Computer researcher Don Mitchell used original digital data from two Soviet Venera probes that landed in 1975.

His reprocessed and recalibrated images provide a much clearer view of the Venusian surface which is hotter even than the inside of a household oven.

Original digital data

Between 1975 and 1981 Soviet probes landed on Venus 10 times.


Venera 9 survived to send back pictures

All the Venera craft survived the landing and four of them sent back images of the inhospitable surface, where the temperature is 490 deg Celsius and the pressure is 90 times that on Earth.

The cameras that looked out on to this baking world were, for their time, remarkable pieces of technology. They were protected by high-pressure windows made of quartz one centimetre thick.

But they did obtain the first view of what was a rock-strewn surface with soil, slabs and boulders.

For years, scientists have paid little attention to the pictures. Indeed, the images were usually only available as low-quality photographs in books.

Venera 9's view has been reprocessed to make it clearer As part of a study of the Soviet exploration of Venus, Don Mitchell obtained the original digital data from the first probes that touched down, Veneras 9 and 10.

"In a collection of old Russian data I found a file that contained the original 6-bit per pixel Venera 9 and 10 digital images," he told BBC News Online.

He used up-to-date digital processing techniques on the raw data from those spacecraft, as well as from subsequent Veneras.

"I took the raw data and carried out processes such as sharpening, recalibrating and compensating for blurring," he said.

The results are a dramatic improvement on the images previously released from Veneras 9 and 10.

Don Mitchell is now turning his attention to the data returned by subsequent Venera probes.

He has started processing data from Venera 13, which are of twice the resolution of Veneras 9 and 10, and in colour. He believes they can also be improved.

Reprocessed images copyright Don Mitchell


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1 posted on 01/14/2004 5:25:17 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Some of the reprocessed pictures:


Venera 13, Camera I


Venera 13, Camera II

2 posted on 01/14/2004 5:27:13 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Wow!!! Great stuff! Thanks!
3 posted on 01/14/2004 5:28:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info.. Check Muh Profile.. Developing)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Oddly the Soviets always had better luck landing on Venus than Mars. Remarkable to get anything down there that can survive (though none of the Soviet probes lasted more than a few hours I think.)

They dealt in volume, sent a HUGE number of Venus probes out, most of which actually failed in Earth orbit.
4 posted on 01/14/2004 5:29:12 PM PST by John H K
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Very nice images. Venus has next to no tides like earth. Apparently the surface is active, lots happening.
5 posted on 01/14/2004 5:32:00 PM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: John H K
If you can handle the heat, its a much easier landing, as the atmosphere is so thick. In the photos, you can see a bit of the horizion, the view is warped I believe, by the heavy atmosphere. Here is some more info on the last 2 landers:

Venera 13 and 14 were identical spacecraft built to take advantage of the 1981 Venus launch opportunity and launched 5 days apart. The Venera 14 mission consisted of a bus (81-110A) and an attached descent craft (81-110D). The Venera 14 descent craft/lander was a hermetically sealed pressure vessel, which contained most of the instrumentation and electronics, mounted on a ring-shaped landing platform and topped by an antenna. The design was similar to the earlier Venera 9-12 landers. It carried instruments to take chemical and isotopic measurements, monitor the spectrum of scattered sunlight, and record electric discharges during its descent phase through the Venusian atmosphere. The spacecraft utilized a camera system, an X-ray fluorescence spectrometer, a screw drill and surface sampler, a dynamic penetrometer, and a seismometer to conduct investigations on the surface.

After launch and a four month cruise to Venus, the descent vehicle separated from the bus and plunged into the Venus atmosphere on 5 March 1982. After entering the atmosphere a parachute was deployed. At an altitude of about 50 km the parachute was released and simple airbraking was used the rest of the way to the surface. Venera 14 landed about 950 km southwest of Venera 13 near the eastern flank of Phoebe Regio at 13 deg 15 min S by 310 E on a basaltic plain. After landing an imaging panorama was started and a mechanical drilling arm reached to the surface and obtained a sample, which was deposited in a hermetically sealed chamber, maintained at 30 degrees C and a pressure of about .05 atmospheres. The composition of the sample was determined by the X-ray flourescence spectrometer, showing it to be similar to oceanic tholeiitic basalts. The lander survived for 57 minutes (the planned design life was 32 minutes) in an environment with a temperature of 465 degrees C and a pressure of 94 Earth atmospheres. The descent vehicle transmitted data to the bus, which acted as a data relay as it flew by Venus.

6 posted on 01/14/2004 5:33:19 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Oh, the thread title refers to a planet, not a person-- never mind...
7 posted on 01/14/2004 5:35:14 PM PST by Mark (Treason doth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Mark; SunkenCiv
Perhaps Al Gore's global warming speech would make sense on Venus.
8 posted on 01/14/2004 5:38:23 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Mark
Yeah - "Hot Venus" was really an attention-grabber.
9 posted on 01/14/2004 5:40:22 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I always thought these were amazing, unrecognized pictures.

Glad to see some notice of them now.
10 posted on 01/14/2004 5:40:56 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I've never thought that so many pictures of the Arizona desert would become so enormously popular around the globe.

In order to authenticate these efforts as not part of some Capricorn 1 conspiracy, I'm holding out for a picture that looks like the Okefenokee Swamp.

11 posted on 01/14/2004 5:41:21 PM PST by blackdog (Democrat Party? Democratic Party? Democrat Candidate? Democratic Candidate? Wassup wit dat?)
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To: RightWhale
Some more photos:

Venera 9

Venera 10


12 posted on 01/14/2004 5:42:21 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
A hot Venus is the very best kind!
13 posted on 01/14/2004 5:43:24 PM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
US has never even tried a Venus Lander.

I think with advances in materials science and hardened electronics (Soviets were never good at electronics) we could land a probe or rover that could last for months now.

US doesn't have a single Venus mission planned or even in the proposal stage.
14 posted on 01/14/2004 5:46:11 PM PST by John H K
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To: Central Scrutiniser
That sounds awfully high pressure for the atmosphere. Are they sure of it? 94 atmospheres is equivalent to 1381 psia!

That's the pressure of being 3000 feet under the sea!

15 posted on 01/14/2004 5:46:52 PM PST by nightdriver
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16 posted on 01/14/2004 5:48:36 PM PST by martin_fierro (HEY! I'm tryin' t'run a classy thread here!)
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To: nightdriver
Yep, add in the fact that much of the atmosphere is about 800 degrees farenheit and is loaded with sulfluric acid, and its a nasty place. Pretty flat too, as you would expect.

I'd still prefer it to Branson, MO.

17 posted on 01/14/2004 5:48:45 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: John H K
US has a Mercury orbiter nearing readiness for launch. US has had missions to Venus. Lately they have used radar to map the surface, radar from earth using two of the large radio telescopes as source. Long base line.
18 posted on 01/14/2004 5:50:03 PM PST by RightWhale (How many technological objections will be raised?)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The way the Venus probes survived the heat on the surface used a bit of a brute force method. Before separation from the bus, apparently the inside of the lander was refrigerated (my guess it had had a nitrogen internal atmosphere.). A NASA engineer had comment on it, using the term "brute force" engineering, it worked.
19 posted on 01/14/2004 5:53:07 PM PST by Fred Hayek
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To: Central Scrutiniser
the temperature is 490 deg Celsius and the pressure is 90 times that on Earth.

490 deg. C = 914 degrees F.!
90 atmospheres = 1323 PSI!

Yikes!

Still better than NYC in August...

20 posted on 01/14/2004 6:00:02 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: John H K
US doesn't have a single Venus mission planned or even in the proposal stage.

Clinton should go there. Tell him Venus is a hot chick.

21 posted on 01/14/2004 6:02:04 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Here's another BBC story

Venus has 'heavy metal mountains'


22 posted on 01/14/2004 6:07:36 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"Pretty flat . . . Branson, MO."

Dolly Parton . . . Branson, MO.

Something does not compute here. Oh yeah. The Venus theme. Never mind.

23 posted on 01/14/2004 6:21:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Central Scrutiniser
A carbon dioxide atomosphere, high temperatures and pressure. I bet diamonds are much more common on Venus than on earth.
24 posted on 01/14/2004 6:40:11 PM PST by Nateman (Socialism first, cancer second.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
You can have Venus, I will take Branson and Dolly anyday.
25 posted on 01/14/2004 6:56:10 PM PST by TYVets ("An armed society is a polite society." - Robert A. Heinlein & me)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I'd still prefer it to Branson, MO

Branson MO would prefer that you roast in sulfuric acid too, I'm sure.

26 posted on 01/14/2004 7:07:20 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Slow night eh Kevvie? No poo on Venus, must bore you.
27 posted on 01/14/2004 7:08:49 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
"What did they hope to achieve visiting a totally inhospitable planet 10 times? No wonder they lost the cold war.

Did they want to invade it, move to it, use it for a new gulag? What?
28 posted on 01/14/2004 7:48:36 PM PST by JSteff
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To: John H K
Resources better used somewhere else. After we own the rest of the solar system we can check it out at our leisure.
29 posted on 01/14/2004 7:51:05 PM PST by JSteff
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To: JSteff
They sent several craft to Mars as well, only one transmitted from the surface, but malfunctioned in about one minute. They did a few moon landers, including one that landed and returned soil to earth. But, they did do a few smart things, they developed very reliable manned rocket, as well as a great heavy lift rocket the Energiya. And they were smart enough to kill the Buran, the Shuttle that they didn't need.
30 posted on 01/14/2004 7:58:18 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (The actress playing Anne Frank was so bad, a heckler yelled "She's in Attic!" to the guards!)
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To: Kevin Curry
Branson MO is like Las Vegas, if it was run by Ned Flanders.
31 posted on 01/14/2004 8:04:50 PM PST by Pappy Smear
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Cool stuff bump!
32 posted on 01/14/2004 8:05:09 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
bttt
33 posted on 01/15/2004 6:19:09 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: ValerieUSA
Perhaps Al Gore's global warming speech would make sense on Venus. -- ValerieUSA
Venus emits 40x more light than it receives from the Sun, so, yeah, Gore's "greenhouse effect" demagoguery would work just fine. In fact, it was first applied to Venus by Carl Sagan, another partisan demagogue.

Here's a snip of something I posted to the SCF:

Venus in transit refers to the partial eclipse of the Sun by the planet Venus as seen from Earth. Because the orbit of Venus is inclined in comparison with that of the Earth, the 8 year resonance (it's about a day off) between the two planets means that eclipse cycles are about 122 years long, and usually (at least in our lifetimes) there are two separated by eight years -- then nothing more than a century.

The dustjacket has changed (probably for positioning in the market), but it's the same book. It went fast. I read the whole thing in no time, and mostly while soaking in the tub. Basically, each chapter is an anecdote from the more than three centuries of astronomical interest in these transits.
"On our departure we left two iron pillars, on which our apparatus for photographing the sun was mounted, firmly imbedded in the ground, as we had used them. Whether they will remain there until the transit of 2004, I do not know, but cannot help entertaining a sentimental wish that, when the time of that transit arrives, the phenomenon will be observed from the same station, and the pillars be found in such a condition that they can again be used." -- astronomer Simon Newcomb, regarding the 1874 transit of Venus, quoted on p 121
The last transit took place in 1882. The next one will take place in 2012. In June of 2004 the transit observations will begin in Asia, and may be visible in western Alaska. The end of the transit will take place almost six hours later when it's high noon in Tunisia. Much of the second half of the transit will be visible in the eastern United States (weather permitting), as far west as Chicago, and (Ras'...) throughout the Florida peninsula.

Maor includes precautions for viewing on pp 163-164, and also gives an eclipse webpage (see the link in the book listing below). Sunglasses / smoked glass isn't enough! Maor sez "a safe filter is a #14 welder's glass, available at hardware stores." Using a camera obscura or so-called pinhole camera is the safest method, and familiar to all those whose dads used empty Charmin boxes and white meat paper to show the kids the solar eclipse in 1959.

Excellent book, and a quick read. Dunno how the Amazon reviews are, but there may be a good one up pretty soon now. :') Thanks go to the family member who gave this book to me for Christmas.
June 8, 2004: Venus in Transit June 8, 2004: Venus in Transit
by Eli Maor

paperback
website

34 posted on 01/16/2004 9:03:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Before this decade is out, send Al Gore to Venus and NOT return him safely to Earth)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Cool!

Thanks.

35 posted on 01/16/2004 9:11:44 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: John H K
A sample return mission and/or sample study mission, for the Venusian atmosphere rather than the surface, has been advocated for a while, but the Space Shuttle and International Space Station eats the NASA budget. The probe to Pluto has been off-again, on-again due to budget problems, and has been delayed so long now, there's probably no point as the atmosphere will freeze soon.
36 posted on 01/16/2004 9:12:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (V-ger, starring in "Robots in space")
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To: SunkenCiv
Why can't you be like everyone else and review John Gray's Venus and Mars book? *L*
Don't ever change.
*smooch*
37 posted on 01/16/2004 9:47:59 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
ooh. Missed that one somehow...
38 posted on 07/24/2004 2:12:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
>Reworked images reveal hot Venus


39 posted on 07/24/2004 2:15:46 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss; blackdog; Central Scrutiniser; Chi-townChief; DoctorMichael; Fester Chugabrew; ...
just bumping the topic, not a ping list; here's a small selection of other FR topics on astro/science:
Ammonia on Mars could mean life
Everyday Astronaut
Bush's Moon Mission Called Bold, Wasteful
Ex-astronaut Aldrin accused of punching man
Mars: A Water World? Evidence Mounts, But Scientists Remain Tight-Lipped
Mars Exploration Rover Mission, Spirit Lands: January 3, 2004 about 8:35 pm PST
Moon Base Has Certain Advantages
Moon Viewed as Policy Battleground
NASA to Announce 'Significant Findings' of Water on Mars Tuesday!
On to the Moon, and to Mars, via von Braun
Professor Says Mayan Calendar Does Not Portend Earth's Doom (2012AD)
Science Wars: We need to free science from the Commissars who now control it.
Space Vision Misunderestimated
Next SpaceShipOne Flights Will Be for Ansari X Prize
NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to: theFIRMbss; blackdog; Central Scrutiniser; Chi-townChief; DoctorMichael; Fester Chugabrew; Fred Hayek; gcruse; Izzy Dunne; John H K; JSteff; Kevin Curry; Lancey Howard; Mark; Monty22; martin_fierro; Nateman; NormsRevenge; nightdriver; Paleo Conservative; Pappy Smear; RightWhale; Snickersnee; TYVets; ValerieUSA

40 posted on 07/24/2004 2:56:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for the quasi-Ping.

This Saturn thing is fascinating. I was hoping to read something about it in this month's National Geographic.

But noooOOOOOOOO ... all they can talk about is "The High Cost of Obesity" (the link to geography is less than clear).


41 posted on 07/24/2004 3:21:26 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Zydecodependent.)
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To: theFIRMbss

42 posted on 07/24/2004 3:59:36 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: martin_fierro
:') NG is much more of a traditional 90 to 180 day leadtime publisher, you may want to check their website. No doubt the photos will be worth waiting for in hardcopy. Check out my "in forum" page for links to some diet stuff, I just know you'll find it all very delicious. ;')
43 posted on 07/24/2004 4:15:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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image search:
Google

44 posted on 12/27/2005 8:45:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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Images of Venus
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_DigitalImages.htm


45 posted on 12/27/2005 8:46:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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Catastrophism

46 posted on 03/26/2006 8:03:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Yes indeed, Civ updated his profile and links pages again, on Monday, March 6, 2006.)
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John Philips Sousa march:
Transit of Venus (1883)

47 posted on 12/16/2006 9:11:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Don't bother, I haven't updated my profile since 11/16/06. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Catastrophism
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48 posted on 11/27/2008 7:37:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Thanksgiving sky: Jupiter, Venus, moon together
49 posted on 11/27/2008 7:46:08 PM PST by P.O.E. (Big Government is the opiate of the masses.)
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