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Welsh star in race row (LOTR's John Rhys-Davies makes anti-Muslim remarks)
IC Wales ^ | Jan 18 2004 | Lucy Ballinger

Posted on 01/18/2004 9:25:33 PM PST by Michael2001

ONE of the biggest Welsh movie stars in Hollywood kicked off a race storm last night after making anti-Muslim remarks.

Outraged Islamic leaders in Wales demanded an immediate apology from Lord Of The Rings actor John Rhys-Davies, who claimed an increase in Europe's Muslim population was a "demographic catastrophe" threatening "Western civilisation".

The 59-year-old Ammanford actor's comments were originally made in an interview with American journalists from World magazine, but this week they were used by the far right British National Party in a leaflet to campaign for support among cinema-goers.

Last night Rhys-Davies stood by his views which follow Robert Kilroy-Silk's inflammatory anti-Arab column. But he criticised the BNP for hijacking his words for their own ends.

In the interview, Rhys-Davies, who plays heroic dwarf Gimli and recorded the voice of computer-animated character Treebeard in the Hollywood blockbuster, interprets Tolkien's story of good versus evil as a metaphor for modern race relations.

He said: "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren't bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well.

"By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent.

"I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged. And if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilisation. That does have a real resonance with me."

The 6ft tall actor, who wore facial prosthetics and performed on his knees to portray the 4ft 2in dwarf in Lord Of The Rings, even says he is aware that his beliefs could end his career, which has seen him star in the Indiana Jones films and James Bond movie The Living Daylights.

"I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture," said Rhys-Davies, who divides his time between his homes in Los Angeles and the Isle of Man.

"Many do not understand how precarious Western civilisation is and what a joy it is.

"From it, we get real democracy. From it, we get the sort of intellectual tolerance that allows me to propound something that may be completely alien to you.

"I'm burying my career so substantially in these interviews that it's painful. But I think there are some questions that demand honest answers."

The BNP reproduced some of his comments on their website, where they ask people to print them off and distribute them at showings of Lord Of The Rings.

BNP leader Nick Griffin last night defended using Rhys-Davies' words for their Stand, Men Of The West leaflet, which he claimed was popular with film-goers in the Valleys.

"He is not a racist in terms of race hate and nor are we," he said.

"We just feel his views dovetail with our message as the comments in the interview quoted reflect our opinions too."

Rhys-Davies said it was "distressing to find yourself on a BNP leaflet", adding: "But on reflection, these people can't really do any great harm unless you allow them to."

The actor's over-the-top views were criticised by Tolkien Society publicity officer Ian Collier.

He said: "The Tolkien Society is not a politically-aligned organisation and we do not in any way condone the use of his works to support messages of racial hate, just as Tolkien himself objected strongly to the use of Northern Myth by the Nazis.

"There is documentary evidence that Tolkien did not agree with these views and we are saddened to see this kind of misrepresentation occurring."

The views were greeted with contempt by the MP for Rhys-Davies' former home town, Ammanford.

"I condemn these comments as being racist and ill-informed," said Adam Price, Plaid Cymru MP for Carmarthen East & Dinefwr.

"It is obvious that this man who now lives in the lap of luxury in Hollywood is out of touch with realities of the nature of present day European society.

"His attack on Muslims and comments about the threat that they pose to Western society shows his ignorance of world events and the true teachings of Islam.

"Ammanford people will feel very let down by a man with such close connections to the town."

Last night Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales, said: "We want an apology. This could stir up racial hatred in society. It's ignorance, he should learn more about Islam and the religions before he makes these comments.

"They are based on his ignorance and nothing else."

Chief executive of the All Wales Ethnic Minority Association (Awema) Naz Malik agreed.

He said: "I do not know why he has said these things. If 50 per cent of people in Holland under 18 are Muslims in 16 years time, so what? In Britain the fastest growing race is mixed race, people of dual heritage. It is a cause for great celebration that our cultures are mixed.

"We live in a global society - we celebrate what is good in cultures and challenge what is bad in civilisations.

"Does he ever listen to any music other than European? Does he eat Indian food? Does he ever appreciate art other than that from Europe?

"I feel sorry for this actor because he must feel very insecure about his future. I feel sorry for his close mindedness."

Wales Friends of Searchlight's Ian Titherington accused the BNP of hijacking the actor's comments.

He said: "Tolkien's Ring Trilogy is generally considered to be the best fantasy story ever written.

"It really shows how desperate the BNP are, to try to make political capital out of a cinematic re-production of fantasy."

LAST NIGHT we spoke to John Rhys-Davies from his Hollywood home and asked him to defend his opinions.

Here's what he said...

I BELIEVE in racial equality not racial discrimination. All I was commenting on was that there are cultural changes taking place in Europe that I consider to be unacceptable.

The fact that a minister of the French government has to fly to Cairo to talk with one of the religious heads in one of the mosques to get his approval for a ban on headscarves can be seen in two ways.

One, is how wonderfully culturally sensitive. The other, it seems to give an authority to a wholly unelected figure well outside Europe's jurisdiction.

I am really proud to be living in a society that accepts women as our equals, that accepts civilised discourse that allows people to hold different opinions without coming to any act of violence.

Here in America when that earthquake happened in Iran the reaction of everyone I knew was horror and dismay, the reaction of everyone when they heard that the old woman had been brought out alive long after they thought there was anyone there was absolute awe at the extraordinary capacity of the human spirit to survive. Contrast that with people jumping up and down and clapping at the 9/11 disaster in certain countries.

I don't think that Western society is opposed to Islamic society at all. I think a very important part of Islamic society is opposed to Western society.

It is time that ordinary Muslims stood up to be counted.

Most societies can benefit from a good stirring of genes, but most cultures are tolerant of each other. I do not see Buddhists throwing bombs into Christian churches, I do not see Christians blowing up Hindu temples, I do not see those sorts of challenges.

When we are prepared to overlook certain things because we don't want to rock the boat, this is wrong.

The greatest act of racism is to expect that other people will not behave according to your values and standards.

Yes, I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture. It's pretty damn good, pretty damn marvellous, pretty wonderful. That's not to exclude other cultures, but it's not to diminish mine.

I'm sorry that might be perceived as infringing some sort of racial taboo, it's certainly not intended to be a racial remark.

We are losing the ability to sit down and be able to have a tolerable argument.

I do not want to see a society where, should I ever have any, my granddaughters have their fingernails pulled out because they are wearing nail varnish.

I hope that my friends and relatives in Wales are not going to be shocked by what they are going to read about.

Do not brand me a racist because I am most certainly not.

But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cymru; hobbit; johnrhysdavies; lotr; rhysdavies; wales; zionist
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To: Charles Martel
Heh, heh Charles, you also said Bridget Bardot.

Any pictures?

141 posted on 01/19/2004 2:51:29 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Salvey
No kidding, and now anything that is a Non-Christian religion or Culture is categorized as a "Race" and therefor beyond reproach.
142 posted on 01/19/2004 2:54:09 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: ThirstyMan
Heh, heh Charles, you also said Bridget Bardot. Any pictures?

Yeah, but nothing recent.

While I applaud her recent attempts to get her countrymen to wake the f**k up, I do admit that I prefer the way she looked when I was but a young sprout. But for a few decisive battles centuries ago, the western world would've been denied a glimpse of Bridget's charms due to Sharia law.

143 posted on 01/19/2004 3:17:31 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: sweetliberty
The worst thing to do is react.

Bob Grant on the radio has repeatedly said that most white people, when accused of racism, "fold like a cheap camera." He said don't do that!

144 posted on 01/19/2004 3:19:28 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: Rytwyng
The supposedly representative governments of the West *will not* close their borders, despite the overwhelming desire of their citizens to the contrary.

Ain't democracy grand? And we want to export it all around the world!

145 posted on 01/19/2004 3:26:59 PM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: sweetliberty
Great posts! Thanks

Now when will a candidate be able to say the things we all know are true instead of the "religion of peace" crap?
We are indeed engaged in an ideological war. And today's chief proponents of tolerance will be the first to be killed wherever the balance of power shifts and the tables are turned.
Looking at the curmudgeonly Ayatollah in Iraq who won't negotiate with us only confirms my frustration with this religion. They seek power as a means to dominate and control. Seems it doesn't really matter who is in power over there, they'll behave in a ruthless fashion. And tell me the roots of the problem aren't traceable back to this religion.

146 posted on 01/19/2004 3:38:30 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Charles Martel
Oh my! what God has made...and it was Good!
147 posted on 01/19/2004 3:43:13 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Michael2001
The world has been watching Americas race baiters and the gambits they use.. The Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons are teaching the worlds parasites on parasitism..
148 posted on 01/19/2004 3:45:36 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Rytwyng
Therefore, there is only ONE step we can take: Have children. Lots of them.

Don't know if you were tongue in cheek but that is exactly the correct strategy. The irony is the elite want us to limit our population growth and abort all unwanteds. Guess what? Those unwanted pregnancies could very well supply us with the labor force that we don't have and fulfill our felt need to import. And the zero population movement only makes the immigration influx ten times worse.
This is just a statistical look at things with no value judgment at all. But of course I think unlimited abortion and unlimited immigration are both very bad ideas.

149 posted on 01/19/2004 3:51:32 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan
Therefore, there is only ONE step we can take: Have children. Lots of them.

Don't know if you were tongue in cheek but that is exactly the correct strategy

No, I'm absolutely dead serious. I always believed this but reading Pat Buchanan's book, "The Death of the West", ferociously hardened my resolve to have a large family, no matter what sacrifices it requires.

I was married in summer 2002, and we now have a little boy: Patrick Henry [NeverMindMyLastName]. We are hoping for several more over the next few years.

As we are 40 and 36, a family of 10 or 12 just isn't possible, but 3 or 4 is certainly better than 1.8. We both would have been willing to have a much larger family, but we just didn't find each other til later in life. I wish I'd found her 20 years ago -- it sure wasn't my choice to wait this long.

150 posted on 01/19/2004 4:38:20 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: ThirstyMan
If you do not believe in your own stock enough to wish to see the stock kept up, then you are not good Americans, you are not patriots, and...I for one shall not mourn your extinction; and in such event I shall welcome the advent of a new race [nb: raza nueva ?] that will take your place because you will have shown that you are not fit to cumber the ground." -- President Theodore Roosevelt, 1911
151 posted on 01/19/2004 4:40:49 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Mega cajones!!
152 posted on 01/19/2004 4:43:33 PM PST by blackie
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To: Michael2001
He can speak now thanks to those veterans who defended us and maintain our culture..
Once the muslims dominate the insitutions...remarks like the ones he made will bring a death sentance...

Meanwhile the muslim apologists and mexican illegal alien invasion apologists will have their place in the demise of our history as well...

He's a good man that Mr. John Rhys-Davies...a very good man indeed
153 posted on 01/19/2004 4:58:47 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: FLAUSA
Don't know if he's Jewish, but Davies is a fairly common surname in Wales.
154 posted on 01/19/2004 5:19:19 PM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Michael2001; SJackson; yonif; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
"His attack on Muslims and comments about the threat that they pose to Western society shows his ignorance of world events and the true teachings of Islam," said Adam Price, Plaid Cymru MP for Carmarthen East & Dinefwr."

And I'll say, with all due respect and humility, that this man is truly ignorant beyond understanding and dumb as a sack of rocks.

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155 posted on 01/19/2004 5:57:50 PM PST by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Michael2001
But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending.

My new Hero: John Rhys-Davies.

156 posted on 01/19/2004 6:40:20 PM PST by happygrl (We are Dar al-Harb* and proud of it.)
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To: Rytwyng
Excellent! Thanks for the quote from Teddy!
I "believed in my own stock" and did my part: four kids!
157 posted on 01/19/2004 7:01:30 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Rytwyng
As we are 40 and 36, a family of 10 or 12 just isn't possible, but 3 or 4 is certainly better than 1.8. We both would have been willing to have a much larger family, but we just didn't find each other til later in life. I wish I'd found her 20 years ago -- it sure wasn't my choice to wait this long.

GOOD FOR YOU!!!
Glad you found each other and very glad that you believe in your own stock, as Teddy puts it. My children are all out of the house and on their own now, but they are my wealth...and I am a very rich man because of them. God is my witness.
Do a good job raising your little ones, take that job seriously and you will be a very rich man as well. God bless and good talking with you.
ThirstyMan

158 posted on 01/19/2004 7:16:56 PM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Michael2001
But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending.

Damn right! Down with Islamofascism!

159 posted on 01/19/2004 8:13:00 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Death is certain; little chance of success; what are we waiting for???)
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To: All
The Islamic Bomb.

Demographics and the sissification/emasculation of white european males.


160 posted on 01/19/2004 9:59:18 PM PST by Stopislamnow (If Bin Laden is in Pakistan, why is it still inhabitable? We're a buncha pussies.)
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