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GOP may oppose Bush's guest-worker plan
United Press International via The Washington Times ^ | 19 January 2004 | UPI

Posted on 01/19/2004 3:05:01 PM PST by Spiff

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON, Jan. 19 (UPI) -- The White House has run into its first public opposition over a proposed guest-worker program -- and it comes from within President Bush's own party.

The initiative, announced Jan. 7, would let millions of illegal aliens now in the United States remain as guest workers for renewable three-year periods if they have jobs. The aliens eventually could apply for permanent legal residence.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; gop; guestworker; illegalimmigration; immigration; invasion; jonkyl

1 posted on 01/19/2004 3:05:01 PM PST by Spiff
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To: HiJinx; JackelopeBreeder; Marine Inspector; Sabretooth; SandRat; AZHSer; Missouri; JustPiper; ...
Ping
2 posted on 01/19/2004 3:07:46 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
I think very highly of the President and agree with him on nearly everything, but he is wrong on this issue. We need to kick the ILLEGALS out, not reward their law-violating behavior. How can we control terrorists infiltrating our borders if we can't control fruit pickers?
3 posted on 01/19/2004 3:13:08 PM PST by Astronaut
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To: Astronaut
I think Kyl and the others should insist the military be placed on the border, or something of equivalent strength, in exchange for this bill. We're just shooting in the wind if we don't stop new illegals from coming into the country.
4 posted on 01/19/2004 3:15:13 PM PST by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief (Why is Hillary a good cure for constipation? She scares the crap out of people.)
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To: Spiff
One can only HOPE the GOP will do so.
5 posted on 01/19/2004 3:15:29 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Spiff
Please check the spelling of my name.

You are pinging the wrong person.
6 posted on 01/19/2004 3:15:59 PM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: Spiff
I'm sure that those representatives from states like mine (Florida) who are catching hell on this issue shall kill this insane idea.
7 posted on 01/19/2004 3:18:29 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
Tom Feeney sits on the Judiciary Committee.

Did you get a chance to talk to one of your Congressmen? Do they think they can stop it in the House?

Tancredo says the plan is going nowhere.
8 posted on 01/19/2004 3:21:54 PM PST by Pubbie (Hillary is not running in 2004 - GET OVER IT People!)
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To: Spiff
Let me get this straight: By sneaking into our country they know they're breaking the law. That's 1. By obtaining a SSN outside the legal process, they're breaking the law. That's 2. By presenting that SSN to an employer and signing a form stating that it is their SSN, they're breaking the law. That's 3. And in Mr. Bush's speech on this matter, he said that if these "guest workers" break the law, they will be sent back. Well, they've already broken at least 3 before they even passed "go". Close the borders!! This program is a very bad idea!
9 posted on 01/19/2004 3:25:28 PM PST by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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To: Spiff
Just think how many illegal alien "American" babies will be born in three year - plus another three years - plus another three years.

10 posted on 01/19/2004 3:25:41 PM PST by WHATNEXT?
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To: WHATNEXT?
And do you think these "guest workers" are going to work here for 3 years, living the American dream, and then just go home? Yeah, right.
11 posted on 01/19/2004 3:27:32 PM PST by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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To: Pubbie
Katherine Harris is on the fence. My $2,000 contribution is also until she decides.
12 posted on 01/19/2004 3:31:01 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
I'm sure that those representatives from states like mine (Florida) who are catching hell on this issue shall kill this insane idea.

The irony here is that the state most affected by Rove's Hisperandering, California, has little or no voice in the matter.

California has no representation in the Senate to catch Bush's ear and Rove doesn't give a damn what the electorate in California thinks because Rove doesn't need California to reelect Bush.

As a conservative Californian I can only hope that conservatives in states that Bush does need for reelection speak up on my behalf.

13 posted on 01/19/2004 3:31:02 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Veggie Todd
If they get Social Security mailed back to them - they just might. Cost of living difference may entice them to return to their home country. Just think of the many Americans that retire to Mexico because of the cost of living.
14 posted on 01/19/2004 3:39:17 PM PST by WHATNEXT?
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To: Astronaut
"We need to kick the ILLEGALS out, not reward their law-violating behavior."

Di-to on that...I'm a naturalized citizen who came here legally. This program by GW is an insult to immigrants who played by the rules and asked to come here.
15 posted on 01/19/2004 3:47:48 PM PST by dinok
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To: Spiff
With 85% of the population against amnesty and illegal immigration, why on Earth would any politician of either party buck those odds? Something is really starting to smell.
16 posted on 01/19/2004 3:53:37 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Spiff
Now, this would be news if the GOP decided to abandon W over this issue, like the so-called "Bush base" on FR.
17 posted on 01/19/2004 3:57:39 PM PST by My2Cents ("Failure is not an option.")
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To: Spiff
"The aliens could then apply for permanent legal residence"

hmmmmm...can you spell Amnesty?
18 posted on 01/19/2004 4:01:53 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: meadsjn
in a nutshell....."re-election", that's why....pure and simple.

He's selling out American workers for his own interests....

Go George Go!!!
19 posted on 01/19/2004 4:04:23 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Beck_isright
Send the $2000 to Pat Toomey ... that is where it will do the most good.

In the general election, the best races needing support will be North Carolina, Illinois, Toomey in PA, and Louisiana and Florida. Focus on the Senate.

JMHO.
20 posted on 01/19/2004 4:23:21 PM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: taxed2death
The only way a politician can win reelection while pushing policies opposed by 85% of the population is to somehow sell himself as slightly less evil than his opposition.

Hopefully, the Democrats will become extinct in the 2004 election, the Republicans will take up the mantle as the party of the far left, and by 2008 a new conservative party will emerge to represent the 75% to 85% of the population that currently has no representation.

21 posted on 01/19/2004 4:23:40 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: Spiff
This is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as sentiment about the Bush immigration amnesty proposal in the Republican Party is concerned. By his carefully worded statement, Senator Kyl is doing Bush a big favor. He should definitely not be ostracized and marginalized for speaking out, like the White House has already done to Rep. Tom Tancredo.
22 posted on 01/19/2004 4:24:10 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WOSG
Well, I have my own local races to deal with. Florida is a mess.
23 posted on 01/19/2004 4:26:20 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: meadsjn
I agree....
24 posted on 01/19/2004 4:49:30 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Astronaut
I think Bush is floating a trial balloon--no, even a false effort--with the hope that it will be viewed or cited as a positive effort toward "inclusiveness" and that it will be defeated by public opinion and congressional action. It will not become the law but it can be used to bolster support from...(fill in the blanks.) It's rather politcally astute, but it won't gain him a victory edge with the Hispanics. But still, it will help a bit and, because it's doomed not pass Congress, almost harmless to our extant immigration policy.
25 posted on 01/19/2004 4:56:11 PM PST by Rudder
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To: taxed2death
in a nutshell....."re-election", that's why....pure and simple.

Former CA Gov. Gray Davis is available now as a consultant. Probably advising that pandering to illegals is the sure ticket to re-election.

26 posted on 01/19/2004 4:59:25 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: meadsjn
I can't imagine anyone would think these deals being made with Vicente Fox are what the Founding Fathers had in mind for America.
27 posted on 01/19/2004 4:59:47 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Rudder
I think Bush is floating a trial balloon--no, even a false effort--with the hope that it will be viewed or cited as a positive effort toward "inclusiveness" and that it will be defeated by public opinion and congressional action.

Just like the CFR legislation when he thought that the Supreme Court wouldn't let it stand and signed it anyway.

I'm sorry, but Bush just dropped another turd in the punchbowl.

28 posted on 01/19/2004 5:01:22 PM PST by Spiff (Have you committed a random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Spiff
I'm sorry, but Bush just dropped another turd in the punchbowl.

In the CFR action, Bush went for the short run because the GOP was positioned well for more hard money.

In the long run the 1st Amendment has been trampled.

You may well be likely correct but if you are Bush is going to lose his conservative base.

29 posted on 01/19/2004 5:21:18 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Astronaut
If you argree with Bush on "nearly everything," then you must be a liberal. Bush has massive expanded the welfare state with his prescription drug plan and education spending bill, signed a tyrannical campaign finance "reform" bill that censors people from running ads crticizing a candidate three months before an election, proposed amnesty for illegal aliens and, in the process, slandered the American working man by saying he won't do the jobs that illegals do, proposed wasting billions of tax dollars on going to the moon (again!) instead of giving the money back to the taxpayers down here on Earth, and refused to even give a simple yes or no answer on whether he supports a constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage. As a real conservative, I agree with Bush on nearly nothing.

31 posted on 01/19/2004 7:05:16 PM PST by Holden Magroin (Fire Karl Rove!)
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To: Rudder
i agree. he did the same thing with the ballistics database. i don't particularly like it, but as long as none of the crap becomes law, i'll put up with it.
32 posted on 01/19/2004 7:09:24 PM PST by Nayt2 (this must be new)
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To: Spiff
KEEP THE HEAT ON! IT'S WORKING! The GOP reps in my state had better oppose or they'll do without my vote on this issue.

Whitehouse:202-456-1414, 202-456-1111 and 202-456-6213

president@whitehouse.gov

Fax: 202-456-2461

Senate and House Members: 1-800-648-3516

Republican Nat'l Committee: 202-863-8500...this is a toll call.

They're doing their best to get this issue off the front burner! Don't let them succeed!
33 posted on 01/19/2004 7:28:32 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (SHUT THE DOOR IN 2004! VOTE TANCREDO!)
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To: Spiff
The GOP Had darned well better oppose this so-called "plan".

I am sure the president is loosing millions over this. His poll numbers took a big hit regarding support this past week and it is no wonder why, this is an insane proposal and provides NO homeland security at all.

I received a call after he made his announcement from the RNC asking for money, we have supported the president, his father and Bob Dole's bid and worked for the RNC candidate for the last two elections here in New Hampshire. My response to their call for money: "Let the President get the money from the ILLEGAL immigrants". I then blasted them over this ridiculous policy along with the President (and the "Republican" Parties) unwillingness to genuinely fight for the President's judicial nominees. As long as they subscribe to "gentlemen’s filibusters" instead of the real thing, and illegals over American citizens, they will not get a dime from us. I am sure we are just a sample of the conservative base and others within the Republican Party who have had it. I am tired of having our voting block taken for granted.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for President Bush and pray for him daily, but I can not support policies that are going bankrupt America and to enslave our sons and daughters along with all future generations of Americans to support illegal immigrants, with free jobs, free health care, free college tuition and social security bennies after 18 months all so that he can make kissy points with Vincene Fox, and the Hispanic population here and in South America.

Our oldest son incurred a debt of $40k and our youngest will end up owing over $60k just to pay for his college education, and I do not know about you but we have to PAY for the healthcare we receive and if we do not have it, we have to get it. There are no free rides for Americans but for illegals...cue the music: "everything free in America... ok by me in America".

Our oldest son just graduated last year and is working as a computer programmer... his job is in jepordy of being "outsorced" to a third world hell hole where people subsist on slave wages, but hey it is America and according to the president foreigners are being given the jobs that "Americans do not want to do".

The president may get 4 more years with such a ploy, but American CITIZENS/taxpayers and future generations of us will be paying for it the rest of our lives... FOREVER because once "entitlements" are established, they are NEVER rescinded, .... NEVER! I, and multitudes of other sane Republicans cannot and will not be a party to this.

Like I said, let the RNC get the money from Vincente Fox and the illegals.

34 posted on 01/19/2004 7:39:36 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Tired of the Powell doctrine)
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To: Spiff; Pro-Bush; FairOpinion; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
BumPing!

Congress has no choice Spiff - none

35 posted on 01/19/2004 9:54:15 PM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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