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1 posted on 01/19/2004 11:11:49 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The 1 million award for attorney's fees is just waaaay too fishy. It smaks of a backroom deal. Not a valid setlement.

Too bad the judges are unlikely to disapprove the settlement.
2 posted on 01/19/2004 11:29:41 PM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: kattracks
Sounds like more anti-Christian dialogue
5 posted on 01/20/2004 1:35:55 AM PST by PureSolace (I love freedom.)
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The following is an e-mail to the San Diego City Attorney at the e-mail address posted on the City website linked to above.

Dear Mr. Gwinn,

As a reader of Free Republic, I was interested to hear under what theory the City of San Diego gave a large sum of money to the ACLU in order to be excused from a pending case involving City property.

I also noticed that you left the other defendant, the Boy Scouts of America, to meet the burden of the illimitably-funded ACLU alone. How is this possible, given that City policies on public property use were involved?

Considering that the Boy Scouts of America are one of the few organizations left in the United States that haven't been politicized by inexhaustibly-funded NGO's and their armies of political locusts, what is San Diego's moral justification for leaving the Boy Scouts in the lurch?

Lastly, isn't it true that San Diego permits church- and temple-affiliated groups to conduct activities on City property? And isn't it true that the City, through various nondiscrimination ordinances, does not require these organizations to seat Dagon-worshippers, Satanists, practicing pedophiles, registered sex offenders, and other persons they might deem unacceptable participants in their activities, in their organizational leadership?

I'm just curious about how you are handling City property and why San Diego left the Boy Scouts case.

Yours cordially,


6 posted on 01/20/2004 1:47:33 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: kattracks
Eagle Scout bump to myself for later reading.
7 posted on 01/20/2004 3:41:37 AM PST by Born Conservative ("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
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To: Jeff Head; farmfriend; Clint N. Suhks; *bsa_list
The ACLU vs. the Boy Scouts     1/14/2004
By Hans Zeiger

The City of San Diego has decided to abandon the Scouts.

The ACLU needs a new summer camp for its young folks, preferably in San Diego's Balboa Park. The PC Scouts, as we'll call them, will head off to Balboa to obtain Rights Badges (as opposed to merit badges) and learn the meaning of the PC Scout Oath: "On my self-esteem, I will do whatever feels good for myself; And to question authority, To help myself at all times, To keep myself physically gratified, Mentally interested, And morally tolerant."

But the ACLU has a bit of a problem: The coveted camp in Balboa Park is currently being used by the Boy Scouts of America, the archenemy of the ACLU. In order to train up a vast new generation of PC scouts, the ACLU must figure out a way to move the Boy Scouts out of Balboa Park (and a few other places too).

On Thursday, the ACLU came much closer to its goal. The landlord of the Boy Scout camp in Balboa Park, the City of San Diego, switched sides from supporting the Boy Scouts to supporting the ACLU in its quest to destroy the Scouts. As settlement of an ACLU lawsuit against the City of San Diego and the Scouts, the City of San Diego decided to abandon the Scouts in its appeal to remain in Balboa Park.

Last July, U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones ruled that the Boy Scouts of America is a religious organization. Its presence in Balboa Park was considered a violation of the separation of church and state.

Because the Scouts believe in God, said Judge Jones, there is "overwhelming and uncontradicted evidence" that the Scouts have received preferential treatment in being able to lease Balboa Park.

Under terms of the new settlement, San Diego must request Judge Jones to cancel the Boy Scouts' lease on Balboa Park. The city will also pay the ACLU nearly $1 million in court costs and attorney fees, which will, of course, help finance the further weakening of the Boy Scouts.

Now that the City of San Diego has given up on the Boy Scouts of America, a nearly 90-year relationship has come to an end.

It began after the 1915 San Diego World's Fair in Balboa Park when the Santa Fe Railroad donated its Pueblo Indian Village to local Boy Scouts with approval by the San Diego Parks Commission. For 25 years, the Scouts used the Indian Village as a headquarters and recreation site free of charge. During World War II, the military took possession of Balboa Park and the Boy Scouts launched volunteer campaigns to help the war effort from a makeshift headquarters in a local theater.

At the end of the war, the San Diego City Council passed a resolution authorizing the Boy Scouts to take charge of several acres of land in Balboa Park. Through fundraising and volunteer work, a state-of-the-art swimming pool and a 600-seat outdoor amphitheater were constructed. In 1949, the Boy Scouts Desert Pacific Council headquarters building was completed.

Parts of Balboa Park remained undeveloped by 1957, so the city council agreed to transfer additional property to the Boy Scouts for maintenance and operations. A 50-year lease was signed with a rental fee of one dollar per year.

Today, Camp Balboa accommodates up to 300 campers at a time, and it offers a variety of year-round programs. Each year, 12,000 Boy Scouts take part in day camps, weekend camps, and merit badge classes.

But the Boy Scouts organization doesn't have exclusive access to its own camp. Anyone can use it. Last summer, the two-day San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Festival was held at Balboa Park.

And the Boy Scouts take good care of Balboa Park. The Scouts organization has spent millions of dollars developing and maintaining the public park over the years, without burden to the city and its taxpayers. In the language of free-market think tanks, that's a classic public-private partnership.

The ACLU cares nothing about saving taxpayers' money, nor that the Scouts perform millions of dollars and thousands of hours worth of public service for the San Diego community, nor about the fact that the Scouts have been in the park for most of nine decades. The ACLU simply wants to destroy the Boy Scouts of America.

The ACLU is celebrating the capitulation of the City of San Diego. Now the Boy Scouts are left quite alone in a hostile court system to appeal the ruling of Judge Jones. It is likely they'll be kicked out of their historic camp for good if Americans don't act fast.

The Boy Scouts need our help. Citizens of San Diego must pack the next city council meeting and express their disapproval of this hideous surrender to the ACLU. Congress must immediately seek the impeachment of Judge Napoleon Jones, who ruled that the Boy Scouts cannot have dealings with government because the Scouts organization is a religious one.

And the Boy Scouts need help with legal bills. Americans from coast to coast must send checks to the Boy Scouts and to the Scouting Legal Defense Fund.

The Boy Scouts have done plenty of good turns for San Diego. Now it is time for San Diego -- and all of America -- to do a good turn for the Boy Scouts.

Hans Zeiger is an 18-year-old Eagle Scout, president of the Scout Honor Coalition, and author of a forthcoming book about the Boy Scouts in the culture wars. Besides writing a regular column, he attends Hillsdale College in Michigan.

9 posted on 01/20/2004 4:56:00 PM PST by Coleus (STOPP Planned Parenthood
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Obviously, the city of San Diego believes that it is a good idea for homosexual scout leaders to take little boys off into the woods. First of all, why would any Boy Scout organization even want to stay in such a foul toilet as San Diego clearly is, and second, why fight a legal battle to do so? Just get outta that sick place NOW.
10 posted on 01/20/2004 5:01:41 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kattracks; Travis McGee; Coleus; Squantos
Trav, I hope the concerned citizens in San Diego will stand up for the Boy Scouts of America. See post number 9 on this thread as well.

I know you have some very conservative talk show hosts there...are they talking about on the air waves there yet?

11 posted on 01/21/2004 5:23:58 AM PST by Jeff Head
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15 posted on 01/21/2004 12:28:18 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: kattracks
Hmmm. The Roman Catholic Church admitted homosexual leaders and the Boy Scouts of America did not. The RCC is rocked by a scandal involving homosexual pedophilia and the BSA is not.

Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on?

I know that not every homosexual man is going to prey upon young boys. It doesn't matter if every one will.

It only matters that some will. I will not chance letting him near those boys.

I can't take Girl Scouts camping, and queers can't take Boy Scouts camping. Them's the rules. Lump 'em if you don't like 'em.


18 posted on 01/21/2004 12:38:36 PM PST by ArGee ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people." - George W. Bush)
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