They like Bush, and they are not stupid

The Age newspaper, Australia ^ | January 21, 2004 | Caroline Overington

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Most Americans still think Bush did the right thing in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, writes Caroline Overington.

There is going to be a presidential election in the United States in November and George Bush is going to win. President Bush's approval rating is around 60 per cent. That's comparable with Ronald Reagan in 1984, who redefined the term "landslide" when he won 49 of the 50 states.

Naturally, this makes some people crazy. How can Americans vote for a guy who went to war over weapons of mass destruction that did not exist?

First, the US economy is growing at an estimated 5 per cent a year. Interest rates are low. Bush's tax cuts are in people's pockets, and they are spending happily.

Second, Americans like Bush. They see him as patriotic, family-centred and self-disciplined. He is also teetotal, conservative, and Christian. He supports marriage, and opposes abortion and homosexual marriage. There are people who think this makes him a bit old-fashioned but millions of Americans like old-fashioned values.

Most Americans also support Bush's decision to go to war with Iraq. They are not stupid. They know that the so-called intelligence about Saddam Hussein was wrong. Despite this, 67 per cent still believe the US did the right thing.

Because I live in New York, I rarely get to hear the voice of this majority. Instead, I get magazines such as Vanity Fair, which last month had a column by the editor angrily listing statistics from the war in Iraq. Such as: number of American soldiers killed: 500. Number of weapons of mass destruction found: 0.

But, as some readers pointed out, there were statistics missing from the list. These include: number of mass graves uncovered in Iraq: around 260, containing as many as 20,000 bodies. Number of people liberated from brutal, murderous leadership: 12 million. And number of times Bush lied about receiving oral sex from a White House intern: 0.

The Iraq war has cost the lives of about 500 American soldiers. Some would have you believe that this makes Iraq a quagmire. But the truth is, if Western nations have come to the point where 500 deaths is an unbearable war-time loss, then we should also say we are no longer prepared to fight wars, because about the same number of soldiers die every year, in peacetime.

Americans are not casual about casualties. Each and every one of the lives lost was precious to them. I remember sitting on a small plane, travelling from North Carolina to New York, when the war was a few weeks old. I was reading USA Today and, as I opened it to study a map of Iraq, one half of the newspaper fell into the lap of my fellow passenger. I turned to apologise, but he said: "No problem. Actually, do you mind if I have a look?"

Together we studied the picture, trying to work out how far the Americans were from seizing power. It was clear from the diagrams that troops were near Saddam's airport, and close to the centre of Baghdad. I turned to my seat mate and said: "I don't think this is going to be a long battle, after all."

It was only then that I noticed, with horror, that he had started to cry. And then I noticed something else: a photograph, wrapped in plastic, pinned to his lapel. It was a picture of his 20-year-old son, a young marine who died in the first days of the war. The man's wife was sitting across the aisle from us. She had a round bowl on her lap, filled with water and some drooping tulips. The movement of the aircraft was making the water slop around. She was trying to wipe her hands, and her tears.

The couple told me they had just been to a private meeting with Bush to discuss the loss of their son. At the time, it was already clear that Saddam didn't have any weapons of mass destruction.

"But I never thought it was about the weapons," my seat mate said. And, although I can't remember his exact words, he also said something like: "We have always stood up for freedom, in our own country, and for other people."

Any student of history knows that this is true. America saved the Western world from communism. America saved Australia and, for that matter, France from a system that would stop you from reading this newspaper.

Americans support the war in Iraq and, by extension, Bush because they see it as part of a bigger picture. Like everybody, they now know that Saddam was not the threat they thought he was (at least, not to them) but they still think it was a good idea to deal with him, before he became one.

The price of freedom is high. You might think you would not sacrifice your life for it, but maybe you don't have to. After all, 20-year-old Americans are doing it for you, every day.

Caroline Overington is New York correspondent for The Age.

[TheBigB]

After the Brits (usually), I think the Aussies are our staunchest allies.

[leadpencil1]

Awsome!

[ElkGroveDan]

Wouold someone in NY please buy Carolyn a cold Fosters?

[Eala]

At the time, it was already clear that Saddam didn't have any weapons of mass destruction.

Not to be a broken record, but...
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

[KantianBurke]

"Americans like Bush. They see him as patriotic, family-centred and self-disciplined."

Might surprise some bots but I agree with that.

"He is also teetotal, conservative, and Christian. He supports marriage, and opposes abortion and homosexual marriage. There are people who think this makes him a bit old-fashioned but millions of Americans like old-fashioned values."

Might NOT surprise some bots that I think the bolded is bs and I WISH it were true.

[Vermonter]

Thanks for this Byron

[Dog]

Byron .....isn't The Age a left leaning newspaper?

[redhead]

Lovely. Thank you.

[EllaMinnow]

Good read PING.

[pax_et_bonum]

Wow! Excellent article!

[nutmeg]

Great article, Byron. Thanks.

[RandallFlagg]

You wouldn't happen to have a link to that Vanity Fair article, would ya?

[nutmeg]

ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

[Angelwood]

Thanks for posting this article.

[sirshackleton]

Contrary to what a lot of folks on the left would like us to believe, I think there are still a lot of countries out there who consider us friends and allies.

[DrDeb]

AWESOME ARTICLE BUMP!

[Arpege92]

Hi Byron....very touching....thanks for posting it!

[cyncooper]

It was only then that I noticed, with horror, that he had started to cry.

And this made me cry...just a little...

[hillary's_fat_a**]

And number of times Bush lied about receiving oral sex from a White House intern: 0.

Ahhh ..... the good 'ol days of freeping past!

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..Byron .....isn't The Age a left leaning newspaper?..

Yes mate, it is.

Somehow this piece must have slipped through to the keeper, as we say Downunder.

[moyden2000]

Brits have given their lives, as well.

[Sam Cree]

ping

[BattleFlag]

"And this made me cry...just a little..."

You aren't alone in that my friend.

After seeing the daily outpouring of vitriol and hate toward anything and everything to do with our president this article was like a breath of fresh air because it is clear, insightful and TRUE.

[Dog]

I thought so....thanks Byron.

[Ditto]

Great article Mate. It's good this reporter gets out of New York and DC to be able to talk with Americans and to understand us. She gets it more than most of our home-grown newsies do.

[Common Tator]

Here is my take on how many non involved voters (mostly centrists) arrive at voting decisions. When I started looking at this 30 years ago it blew my mind.

Click here

[CyberAnt]

"with WMD that didn't exist"

THIS IS THE BIGGEST FATTEST LIE OF ALL. Just because Saddam was successful at hiding his WMD .. doesn't mean IT DOESN'T EXIST.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...you wouldn't happen to have a link to that Vanity Fair article, would ya?...

Can't find the actual article, but there's been a big buzz about it:

Google: vanity+fair+iraq

Cheers, By

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I like this a lot!

[cripplecreek]

great article.

the aussies need to understand that the things conservatives dislike about bush, are the things we dislike about all politicians in general.

[RandallFlagg]

Thanks. I was asking because I think someone on another board tossed similar numbers at me earlier today. I posted it here on FR hoping someone would recognize it, but it got pulled after 9 posts.

[Grit]

Thanks for the great read, Byron.

The price of freedom is high. You might think you would not sacrifice your life for it, but maybe you don't have to. After all, 20-year-old Americans are doing it for you, every day.

[Wolfstar]

Byron, what a wonderful, touching article. Thanks very much for posting it. (One for your ping list, PhiKapMom?)

[Wolfstar]

You think it's BS that President Bush opposes abortion and homosexual marriage? What planet are you living on?

[hobson]

President Bush is the right leader for this point in time in history. I am convinced if a RAT wins the White House he, or she, will reverse course and the US will find itself at the mercy of the UN. Illegal immigration, spending, outsourced jobs—all those hot-button issues will be replaced with a new set of issues, and it won’t be pretty.

[TEXOKIE]

YO RAGS!! CAL!! Here's a possible keeper from Down Under. Tissue alert.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Nice piece. Thanks for posting.

[Onelifetogive]

The price of freedom is high. You might think you would not sacrifice your life for it, but maybe you don't have to. After all, 20-year-old Americans are doing it for you, every day.

Bump to that!

[Calpernia]

Thanks for the ping Texokie!

Most Americans still think Bush did the right thing in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, writes Caroline Overington.

There is going to be a presidential election in the United States in November and George Bush is going to win. President Bush's approval rating is around 60 per cent. That's comparable with Ronald Reagan in 1984, who redefined the term "landslide" when he won 49 of the 50 states.

[DallasMike]

Might NOT surprise some bots that I think the bolded is bs and I WISH it were true.

Do you believe that Bush supports abortion and gay marriage?

[Wphile]

The price of freedom is high. You might think you would not sacrifice your life for it, but maybe you don't have to. After all, 20-year-old Americans are doing it for you, every day.

GREAT closing statement if there ever was one.

[spodefly]

BTTT

[SunStar]

Might NOT surprise some bots that I think the bolded is bs and I WISH it were true.

Based on some of your other comments, It doesn't surprise me one bit that you are saying this.

And, since President Bush is pushing a Federal amendment to protect marriage, I'd say your assertion is incorrect.

[JennysCool]

It seems the president isn't popular with either the far left or the far right. IMHO that puts him right where an American president should be.

[Darnright]

>Here is my take on how many non involved voters (mostly centrists) arrive at voting decisions. When I started >looking at this 30 years ago it blew my mind.

I think you'll find that many, many non-involved Democrats have the impression that they should not like Bush. They can't give you specifics, but they know he's baaaad.

Fortunately, at this point in time, they are still in the minority.

[Billthedrill]

Byron, great post. Good to see you posting again.

[chainsaw]

How can Americans vote for a guy who went to war over weapons of mass destruction that did not exist?

In the clinton mentality, Who cares, the economy is good I'm making money again, lets move on.

Incidentally Bush won the election and was not appointed - (the mantra of brain dead democrats.) WMD did and do exist in Iraq. I have a proposition for democrats. I will bury $10,000 in a coffee can someplace in Illinois, It's yours if you can find it in 6 months.

[dead]

A very un-CarolineOverington-ish article. I'm shocked, but happy, that she wrote it.

Thanks for posting it.

[Rays_Dad]

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