Confederate flag sells for $40,000 at auction

the Commercial-Appeal [Memphis, TN] ^ | January 18, 2004 | Michael Lollar

[flying Elvis]

I've seen countless fake Confederate flags at auctions in recent years. Most of them are fairly easy to spot to the practised eye. An antique dealer in Atlanta had a veritable fake flag factory going for a while. He was buying period silk and cotton dresses and period thread, cutting them up, and making flags out of them. A lot of folks are buying old Confederate Veterans Association flags and passing them off as Civil War flags.

[flying Elvis]

Actually some items are better off in private hands. As museums become more PC they are selling off items they find controversial. The battleflag of the 16th Confederate cavalry was in a museum for many years until the board decided they no longer had any use for it and sold it to a private collector. Many of the battleflags in state possession have rotted from poor conservation or intentional neglect. The best thing is to loan items to a museum on the stipulation you can always take it back. In Rome, Georgia, last year, a local citizen removed his items due to political correctness. He had a Georgia state flag that governor Maddox gave him to fly over his firebase in Vietnam. The museum director took it off of display because she felt the Confederate emblem was too controversial. I feel some items are intentionally being allowed to decompose out of spite by activist curators.

[archy]

To give you a good idea on this topic, a Confederate copper penny in a good condition will fetch around $60,000 per penny on the collectors markets.

Save yo' Confederate money, ol' son. Looks like trhe South's gonna do it again.

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[archy]

How long before the naacp demands the flag be destroyed and the $40,000 be donated to them for reparations?

Won't be a problem. It'd just be good cause to have the naacp destroyed, with a 150% tax on reparations payments applied- retroactively.

Now let's see: can anyone think of an appropriate legal sentence for anyone duly convicted of any such tax evasion?

Thirteenth Amendment, U.S. Constitution; Section 1:

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

[archy]

virtually all of COL Mosby's possessions are in the collection of a woman in PA!

i wish she'd give them/loan them to the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond.

I believe I'd want to see the government of the State of Virginia return to a condition more resembling that with which Col. Mosby would have been familiar with, before I'd trust any elected or appointed officials with any such valuable relics of our heritage.

Aside from the professional despoilers and wreckers, therte are entirely too many outright thieves and fools in such positions for their stewardship to be considered.

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[OrioleFan]

John Kerry bought the flag for the back window of his SUV to campaign in South Carolina. He outbid John Dean for the flag with the new bump in contributions after his Iowa win.

[OldEagle]

Notice that whoever sewed the stars into the union left a gap for adding more stars later. An optimist!

What do you think the twelve stars represent? I understand that thirteen states signed the Articles of Confederation, but that only eleven seceded. Or am I wrong after all these years?

[archy]

John Kerry bought the flag for the back window of his SUV to campaign in South Carolina. He outbid John Dean for the flag with the new bump in contributions after his Iowa win.

Those carpetbaggers are gonna need more than a flag to save their bacon in SC and Tennessee.

And New Hampshire.

[archy]

Notice that whoever sewed the stars into the union left a gap for adding more stars later. An optimist! What do you think the twelve stars represent? I understand that thirteen states signed the Articles of Confederation, but that only eleven seceded. Or am I wrong after all these years?

Naw, a good many folks felt that Texas should have been considered a allied nation, rather than a co-equal state. Had the South prevailed, that little detail would have been worked out eventually, but many Texas units went into battle alongside their Confederate brothers under variations of the Lone Star flag, despite orders to the contrary.

But the flags of the Army of Tennessee, including the Battle Flag, showed but 12 stars, in particular that of cavalryman Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was among the volunteers who had gone to Texas in his youth.

I've heard several variations and versions of *who only 12 stars* on some Confederate flags, some plausable, some doubtful. But I've not heard such an explanation from anyone there at the time, nor am I likely to at this late date.

In any event, 12 stars or 13, it is a mighty pretty flag.

[archy]

I've seen countless fake Confederate flags at auctions in recent years. Most of them are fairly easy to spot to the practised eye.

What! You mean my original nylon, uh, silk Dixie banner might be a forgery? I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked. Next thing you'll tell me that my photograph of the brave troops going into battle under that banner in a captured Yankee wagon is similarly dubious....

Ah, innocence. Perhaps it perished, though the Confederacy lives.

At least I still have my engraved Confederate Thompson submachinegun....

[OldEagle]

Mighty pretty!
The thirteenth star was omitted out of respect for Texas?
Could be. I hadn't heard that before. Thank You.

[lentulusgracchus]

The First National had seven stars in a circle -- for the first states to secede. Later battle flags had either 12 or 13 stars, d/o whether there was one at the crux. General Polk's battle flag, based on a Cross of St. George (looked sort of like an Icelandic flag, but with the crux centered), had the colors reversed, sometimes the white fimbrations were missing (as was common in the Western and Trans-Mississippian theaters), and featured 11 stars on the unequal arms -- six on the horizontal arms, four on the vertical, and one larger one at the crux.

Depends on whether you count the border states, I think.

[lentulusgracchus]

Polk was an Episcopal bishop, hence the alteration of the flag to reflect the Cross of St. George rather than the Scots Cross of St. Andrew.

His flag was displayed in the Army of Tennessee, I believe. There were other variants with reversed colors (but normal St. Andrew's crosses) in the Trans-Mississippian armies.

[stand watie]

ONE PLACE, where you need not worry about that, is the International Headquaters of the Sons of Confederate Veterans!

if you or others have items which you wish to loan/donate, we'll take care of them FOREVER!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

the museum is in the hands of members of the SCV. VA bureaucrats have NO say in what we do.

free dixie,sw

[archy]

the museum is in the hands of members of the SCV. VA bureaucrats have NO say in what we do. free dixie,sw

Good thing, then. Looks like y'all have some problems of that sort out your way.

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[Morgan's Raider]

PING!