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Student broadcaster suspended for 'God bless'
WND ^ | Jan 21, 2003

Posted on 01/21/2004 7:34:02 AM PST by missyme

More Attacks agaisnt GOD!

Sign-off before holiday deemed inappropriate for public institution

A high school student dismissed from his school broadcast program for signing off with "God bless" is rallying community members to his side.

James Lord, a senior at Dupo High School in Belleville, Ill., was suspended for one month from his daily news broadcast on the school's closed circuit television after signing off his Dec. 17 broadcast, the Belleville News-Democrat reported.

Lord told his student audience: "Have a safe and happy holiday, and God bless."

School Principal Jonathan Heerboth has said Lord's comment was inappropriate for public school, the paper reported.

Lord said he plans to appeal the suspension because he claims it violated his First Amendment rights. Geoffrey Surtees, a lawyer with the Virginia-based American Center for Law and Justice who is advising Lord, said he would wait to see the outcome of the board meeting before making a comment.

Ahead of his address to the school board, Lord distributed more than 400 flyers to encourage local people to attend the meeting. The fliers said the school board was to meet last night, but board members say it is scheduled Jan. 27.

Will Lord say "God bless" again when he returns to the show Feb. 1?

"I can't guarantee I won't say it again," the student said, according to the News-Democrat.

School board member Mike Kloess said he had nothing against Lord's actions.

"I didn't have a problem with what he said, but [Superintendent Michael] Koebel knows the rules and knows what people can say and can't say," he told the Belleville paper.

Koebel could not be reached for comment.

James' mother, Beverly Lord, called the school's decision harsh and a suppression of free speech, the paper said.


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1 posted on 01/21/2004 7:34:02 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme; billbears; Ff--150; 4ConservativeJustices
Principal Jonathan Heerboth has also deemed James' last name offensive and has ordered him to change it.
2 posted on 01/21/2004 7:35:56 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: missyme
"School Principal Jonathan Heerboth has said Lord's comment was inappropriate for public school, the paper reported. "

Just curious. I wonder what the official school response would have been if he said, "Have a wonderfully gay day."

3 posted on 01/21/2004 7:37:20 AM PST by Levante
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To: missyme
Already posted Missy :(

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1062122/posts
4 posted on 01/21/2004 7:37:30 AM PST by ClintonBeGone
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To: missyme
I fail to see how this would fall under the establishment clause. This is the free exercise clause. The school does not have the right to violate the freedom of religion.
5 posted on 01/21/2004 7:38:58 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democrats: an innovative bunch. Every time you think they've hit bottom, they find new lows.)
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To: ClintonBeGone
Sorry about that :-)
6 posted on 01/21/2004 7:39:19 AM PST by missyme
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To: Levante
I wonder what the official school response would have been if he said, "Have a wonderfully gay day."

And what is the school's policy on what students can or cannot say after someone else sneezes?

For crying out loud, it's time we put these idiot Leftists in their place! "God bless" is NOT HATE SPEECH!

7 posted on 01/21/2004 7:39:31 AM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: stainlessbanner
With the impending lawsuit, maybe the principal should learn to say, "Lord have mercy."
8 posted on 01/21/2004 7:39:56 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: missyme
More Liberal insanity.
9 posted on 01/21/2004 7:42:19 AM PST by pabianice
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To: stainlessbanner
Get out of my head! {;o) That was my first thought after reading this baloney. ha. This is getting rediculous. My first name is David. Better change my name too so as to not offend anybody. But wait! The principal's name is Jonathan. How did he get to be principal? That is a name found in the Bible to. We seriously do not want to send the wrong message to people of a different belief. I propose that from now on government/school officials may only have neutral names such as Bob or Bill, etc.
10 posted on 01/21/2004 7:42:36 AM PST by AfghanIraqVeteran
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To: AfghanIraqVeteran
I heard the President of the United States say "God Bless America"...I'm tired of hearing these atheist anti-God rabid activists trying to shut us up.
11 posted on 01/21/2004 8:02:40 AM PST by princess leah
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To: missyme
Gotta laugh at the kid's name; Lord. If Bush can sign off his State of the Union address with "God bless", the top of all government talks, then a kid has every right to say that at his piddly public school.
12 posted on 01/21/2004 8:13:14 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: stainlessbanner; Ff--150; billbears
Principal Jonathan Heerboth has also deemed James' last name offensive and has ordered him to change it.

ROTF!

School Principal Jonathan Heerboth has said Lord's comment was inappropriate for public school, the paper reported.

Lord yes. They're free to dicsuss abortions, drugs, politics, pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality etc, but any mention of God might offend someone. </sarcasm>

13 posted on 01/21/2004 8:17:34 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Dialing 911 doesn't stop a crime - a .45 does. (||)
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To: missyme
In the good ole days Red Skelton signed off every TV broadcast with "God Bless"....or is my memory fading?
14 posted on 01/21/2004 8:20:30 AM PST by Hidgy (LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC)
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To: missyme
I'm sure the ACLU which defends lap dancing and flag burning as constitutional, won't touch this.
15 posted on 01/21/2004 8:27:02 AM PST by Wheee The People (If this post doesn't make any sense, then it also doubles as a bump.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Lord yes. They're free to dicsuss abortions, drugs, politics, pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality etc, but any mention of God might offend someone.

Uh, think it's past time to flush the commode, with a plunger handy JIC.

16 posted on 01/21/2004 8:27:14 AM PST by Ff--150 (What is Is)
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To: Hidgy
"Good night and God Bless."

I remember what you remember. But he wasn't in publik skool.
17 posted on 01/21/2004 8:28:06 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Prime Choice
Thanks for your post.

You brought up an interesting point. If someone sneezes, what if a devil-worshipping student said "Satan empower you." It's an absurb example, of course, but just how far will these leftist idiots go? Would they have the huevos to censure a devil-worshipper? How about a Muslim? Or a Hindu? We already know the leftist rif-rafs' take on Christians and Jews.
18 posted on 01/21/2004 8:44:39 AM PST by Levante
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To: stainlessbanner
LOL
You took the words right out of my mouth!
19 posted on 01/21/2004 8:46:11 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{---><)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
"They're free to dicsuss abortions, drugs, politics, pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality etc, but any mention of God might offend someone."

And adultery, wife-swapping, oral sex, etc.
If someone told this principal to "go to hell," would that be considered merely insolent, or an example of "religious hate speech?"

I guess it depends on what he/she would be doing when they get there.
20 posted on 01/21/2004 8:48:41 AM PST by Levante
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To: Ff--150
Uh, think it's past time to flush the commode, with a plunger handy JIC.

It's been time. I remember having Bible instruction IN school, at a public school. We opened each day with prayer over the intercom by the principal. We just need to abort the ACLU.

21 posted on 01/21/2004 8:49:07 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Dialing 911 doesn't stop a crime - a .45 does. (||)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Yeah, life was so much better when we had the government telling our children, at school, what religion was better than others. Ah, the good old days....
22 posted on 01/21/2004 8:53:47 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: will1776
Do you really not see how this is an establishment clause issue?

Query as to whether saying the words "God Bless" is enough to trigger an establishment clause challenge, but if you argue that it falls under the free exercise clause, you're making the concession that it is religious, which brings it back under the establishment clause. Once you're there, see Santa Fe Ind. School Dist. v. Doe. You can't provide a PA system to someone to make a religious message.

The better argument is that "god bless" is not a religious message, and is not protected under the Free Exercise clause at all.
23 posted on 01/21/2004 8:57:40 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: will1776
But if the kid was broadcasting from a publicly funded station (school radio station), then the principal was correct in his assessment of the problem.
24 posted on 01/21/2004 9:00:13 AM PST by Abynormal
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To: Viva Le Dissention; 4ConservativeJustices
"Yeah, life was so much better when we had the government telling our children, at school, what religion was better than others. Ah, the good old days..."

What BORING rhetoric...go back to DU, por favor.

25 posted on 01/21/2004 9:04:03 AM PST by Ff--150 (What is Is)
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To: Levante
ping
26 posted on 01/21/2004 9:07:36 AM PST by pointsal
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To: missyme
The inmates are truly running the asylum. Just shaking my head here................................un-freakin'-believable.
27 posted on 01/21/2004 9:29:23 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: will1776
"I fail to see how this would fall under the establishment clause. This is the free exercise clause. The school does not have the right to violate the freedom of religion."

You see this a lot more clearly than the principal. Even if we accept the notion that the school itself can't "endorse" religion (which is debatable), the student is not a public employee and has the right to express his opinions, whether they be pro- or anti-religion.
28 posted on 01/21/2004 9:32:28 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: missyme
More PC anti-Christian bigotry, and more suppression of the Free Exercise Clause.
29 posted on 01/21/2004 9:34:27 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Abynormal
"But if the kid was broadcasting from a publicly funded station (school radio station), then the principal was correct in his assessment of the problem."

I completely disagree. It is IMPOSSIBLE to enforce a rule in which discussion of religion or expression of religius belief is taboo in a public school environment. Discussions of art, history, and world affairs would be hopelessly compromised if all references to religion - pro or con - were omitted. The constitution does not demand the impossible. Now, if the sole or primary purpose of the radio station was to promote a particular religious belief, you might have an argument. But what you are proposing is content-specific censorship.
30 posted on 01/21/2004 9:38:44 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Viva Le Dissention
The better argument is that "god bless" is not a religious message, and is not protected under the Free Exercise clause at all.

What part of "nor prohibit the free exercise thereof" do you not understand?

Establishment Clause? Does the student equal Congress, or saying "God bless" equal making a law?

The intend of the 1st amendment is clear - the founders made it clear. The "wall of separation of church and state" was invented in 1947 (Everson case) and did not exist before that time. If you say it did, then you need to explain why there was no restriction on religious speech or activity in school or anywhere else prior to 1947. That's 160 years of precedents pal.

31 posted on 01/21/2004 9:39:33 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Viva Le Dissention
The Founding Fathers would be utterly amazed to hear the establishment clause invoked to prohibit the voluntary expression of a religious belief in a public school.
32 posted on 01/21/2004 9:40:59 AM PST by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: missyme
"I didn't have a problem with what he said, but [Superintendent Michael] Koebel knows the rules and knows what people can say and can't say," he told the Belleville paper.

Ain't freedom 'o speech, grand?

33 posted on 01/21/2004 9:41:24 AM PST by dubyagee ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: Viva Le Dissention
"You can't provide a PA system to someone to make a religious message."

Does that mean that military chaplains will now have to use megaphones paid for out of their own pocket?

Then there is always the question about even paying chaplains out of tax dollars. I suppose they could pass the collection plate and get by.

But wait! Shouldn't it also be illegal to preach on a battleship paid for with tax dollars? Time to keel-haul the chaplain. ;'<

Personally, I think it's hypocritical and dysfunctional of the 'powers-that-be' to allow the pledge of allegiance to the flag of our country in tax-funded schools while disallowing the mention of God under whose inspiration our country and our Constitution was founded.

Did we throw out the baby and keep the bathwater?

34 posted on 01/21/2004 9:43:52 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Yeah, life was so much better when we had the government telling our children, at school, what religion was better than others. Ah, the good old days....

Ahh, but it's okay if the school tells a kid that he can't say the word God? Or tells a validictorian that he can't mention the word "Jesus" in his speech? That, my friend, is SUPPRESSION of free speech. He can say all sorts of vulgarities, post gay fliers, but can't say the word God? In what instances, pray tell, does the Free Exercise Clause come into play in your world?

This nation was built on the judeo-Christian principles (the bible) - like it or not, and the bible and God were both in schools from the beginning - from 1620 all the up to 1962. Neither original intent or precedent are on your side.

35 posted on 01/21/2004 9:44:24 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Eastbound
Good point! The current legal situation with religious speech is SCHIZOID. The 10 commandments are allowed in this district, but not in another; a student can say God in this district, but not in another; the Supreme Court can have reliefs of Moses but a decalog is not allowed in an Alabama courthouse. The inconsistency is a clear indication that these judges and schools have no idea what they are doing - they are just following their agenda or someone else's agenda without any regard to the rights of the student or individual.
36 posted on 01/21/2004 9:55:41 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Steve_Seattle
The Founding Fathers would be utterly amazed to hear the establishment clause invoked to prohibit the voluntary expression of a religious belief in a public school.

Yes, especially since they encouraged the use of the bible in schools.

But America of today does not resemble America of then. The America of today has a government is "de facto" atheist. Since secular humanism is a religion according to the supreme court, isn't the promotion of secular humanism (i.e. atheism in practice) tantamount to a true violation of the Establishment Clause? I would say it is.

37 posted on 01/21/2004 9:59:51 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Many people would be surprised to learn that the phrase "wall of separation of church and state" did not originate with Jefferson, but was originally used by a Baptist church leader. Jefferson used the phrase because he was speaking to a Baptist congregation (Danbury) and he knew that they would be familiar with the phrase. The context of the phrase in both instances was in the context of the church being protected from the government. Today, however, the marxists, revisionists, liars, and bigots have twisted it to mean protection of the state from the church. It is PEOPLE that need protection (the church), not the State (a non-entity). I suggest everyone read Jefferson's letter to see for themselves! It's quite plain what he meant!
38 posted on 01/21/2004 10:08:13 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
"But America of today does not resemble America of then. The America of today has a government is "de facto" atheist. Since secular humanism is a religion according to the supreme court, isn't the promotion of secular humanism (i.e. atheism in practice) tantamount to a true violation of the Establishment Clause? I would say it is."

I would say so too. What ever happened to 'equal protection under the law?' Shouldn't that include 'equal expression' as well? I would say so.

39 posted on 01/21/2004 10:13:32 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: pabianice
If he had said "Goddess Bless" he would have been ok.
40 posted on 01/21/2004 10:21:13 AM PST by dljordan
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To: missyme
Someone should remind Principal Jonathan Heerboth that "you deny me before man, I will deny you before my father. Every knee WILL bend and every head WILL bow".
41 posted on 01/21/2004 10:26:00 AM PST by Texagirl4W (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: missyme
Someone should remind Principal Jonathan Heerboth that "you deny me before man, I will deny you before my father. Every knee WILL bend and every head WILL bow".
42 posted on 01/21/2004 10:26:28 AM PST by Texagirl4W (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: missyme
Zoinks... Free Speech constitutionalism alert...
43 posted on 01/21/2004 10:27:28 AM PST by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: Eastbound
Have you read the book "Persecution" by David Limbaugh. It's a must read for anyone interested in this issue.

By the way, it appears the secularists on this thread have fled.

44 posted on 01/21/2004 10:30:17 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: exmarine
No, haven't read it, but will look for it. Thanks. Currently reading "FedEd," The New Federal Curriculum and How It's Enforced, by Allen Quist. Another eye-opener.

Publisher's comments: "Virtually every state in the Union is scrambling to radically change its education system. Few people realize that these changes are largely being driven by the fine print in federal laws first passed in 1994. It's the new Federla Curriculum, and it's contrary to everything America stands for.

"In his book, Allen Quist strips away the veil and cuts through the rhetoric. He shows how the change agents are quietly and effectively restructuring education in a way that transforms schools from institutions of learning to centers of social engineering."

Another book I would trust is Dr. James Hirsen's, "The Coming Collision." Both books confirm what many of us already know and what millions more have suspected.

The only question I have today is will 2004 be the year of the 'Great Collision' brought on by the great collusion?

(Yes, darkness rules the night, but flees at sunrise. ;>)

45 posted on 01/21/2004 10:59:27 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I remember what you remember. But he wasn't in publik skool.

But it pre-dated cable, so it was on public airwaves.

46 posted on 01/21/2004 11:01:21 AM PST by gundog
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To: Steve_Seattle
Thank you.
47 posted on 01/21/2004 11:01:34 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (The Democrats: an innovative bunch. Every time you think they've hit bottom, they find new lows.)
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To: Eastbound
...the change agents are quietly and effectively restructuring education in a way that transforms schools from institutions of learning to centers of social engineering."

Thanks for the recommendation - sounds like a good read. Hitler knew very well that if you control the youth, you control the direction of the nation. Abe Lincoln said that the philosophy in the classroom today will be the philosophy of government tomorrow. That's scary as hell considering that the philosophy of the classroom today is anti-Americanism, moral relativism, hedonism, nihilism, and licentiousness.

48 posted on 01/21/2004 11:03:36 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Eastbound
The only question I have today is will 2004 be the year of the 'Great Collision' brought on by the great collusion?

Not having read Hirsen's book, who will be doing the colliding? Christians vs. secularists?

49 posted on 01/21/2004 11:07:21 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Ff--150
I've always wondered why some think that telling children to honour God, to not lie, to honour their mother AND father, to not steal, etc will give them the wrong message.
50 posted on 01/21/2004 11:09:51 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Dialing 911 doesn't stop a crime - a .45 does. (||)
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