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Turning Right: Kids Today are Thinking Different
National Review Online
| 21 January, 2004
| Holiday Dmitri
Posted on 01/21/2004 12:11:59 PM PST by annyokie
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To: MattAMiller
But youthful fixation with leftist causes was a product of a certain period of time and not nearly as widespread as many would have us believe.You're right, Matt, and that's one of the reasons why the wholesale condemnation of the 60's by so many on this forum tics me off.
The fact is that most of the 60's kids grew up, got a job, got married and got a life. It was only the "true believers" that went into politics or went to ground in academia.
Unfortunately they have had influence far beyond their numbers.
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posted on
01/22/2004 2:45:14 AM PST
by
metesky
(My investment program is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
To: infowarrior
And if perchance you began formulating decidedly conservative views by, say, age 14? Wise beyond your years. Far superior to the rest of us mere mortals! Highly Gifted Wonder Human! Pure genius!
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posted on
01/22/2004 9:22:30 AM PST
by
Marie
(I forgot to wake up this morning.)
To: maica
The ivied professors and the dem political consultants are not going to know what hits them The Philosophy and English departments already know. The Music department is strangely lagging. The School of Engineering still doesn't give a rat's a**.
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posted on
01/22/2004 9:25:54 AM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: RightWhale
Are the schools of engineering political, too? I am sorry to learn that. I thought they had a less 'feelings' basis for their perspectives.
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posted on
01/22/2004 10:58:34 AM PST
by
maica
(Laus Deo)
To: maica
Are the schools of engineering political, too? Usually not. The students are usually not. Sometimes a prof might be, but if it comes up in class it's just a momentary distraction. Academic competition is intense, of course, but that's just profs jostling for the funding dollar.
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posted on
01/22/2004 11:07:43 AM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: AnnaZ
I get your problem with what I said. It is a lot of 'probably' and 'it seems', but what can I say?
There isn't much solid data on their stated positions on most issues. I am left with my guess as to what they believe based on a few articles I've read about them. Not a sound approach, I know, but I'd be willing to bet I'm right.
As for the college bake sales; yes I'm aware of these, and I think these college Republicans should be applauded for daring buck the leftwing dogma on most campuses. But the reason I suspect them on racial preferences is because of the increasing acceptance of the notion that diversity is somehow the greatest thing since sliced bread. Once you accept the nonsense that achieving diversity is a compelling state interest, then racial preferences are inevitable because of lagging academic performance of minorities. That is why its true that Bush surrendered. In his amicus brief, he sided with the wing of his Administration wanting to affirm the alleged benefits of diversity, and against Solicitor Ted Olson who was rumored to have preferred to reject this notion. Not that it would have made a difference to Justice O'Connor, but it tells you that the top Republican in the land has accepted an untenable position, and I fear these Hipublicans are following his lead.
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posted on
01/22/2004 12:35:53 PM PST
by
Aetius
To: KantianBurke
Well I can't say for sure that my fears about Hipublicans are true. I may be very wrong about them, but I'm always suspicious of conservatives who spout platitudes you once heard almost exclusively from the left.
So I'm skeptical that the emergence of these Hipublicans is any cause for optimism about the future electorate.
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posted on
01/22/2004 12:47:16 PM PST
by
Aetius
To: RightWhale; maica
The School of Engineering still doesn't give a rat's a**. When I went to Drexel U., a noted engineering school in Phili, in the late '70's/early 80's, I was at an engineering honor society luncheon, and happened to get a seat at the table with the Dean of Engineering, Dean Woodring.
For some reason, talk came up with regard to the international situation in the world, and I commented to the table that I was impressed that, during the Iranian hostage crisis, one could find American flags hanging in dorm windows at Drexel. I contrasted this with Berzerkely, where the intelleftuals were sending out faux draft notices to stir the pot.
I then asked the good Dean if, during the hey-day of the '60's, Drexel had any good protests. He replied that there was one of note, but that it didn't concern the war, but rather the price of books at the university bookstore.
After we all got done laughing, I followed up by asking how it unfolded back then. "Well," he replied, "a huge number turned out at noon at the bookstore, and did a sit in. There were so many, that one really couldn't get through the crowd." I asked if they were successful in their aim. He said, "not really, because at 1PM the bell rang and everyone got up and went to class."
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posted on
01/22/2004 3:00:15 PM PST
by
XEHRpa
To: XEHRpa
Nice story!!
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posted on
01/22/2004 4:55:50 PM PST
by
maica
(Mainstream America Is Conservative America)
To: annyokie
I wish the same could be said of all the younger generation. I was reading a blog yesterday where some 18 year old thought herself an intellectual, since she hates Bush. She could not understand how the adults could be so blind and stupid to have ever voted him in in the first place. (she only spoke of the few general liberal statements) This from a child who was being potty trained when I first started learning about government.
To: Aetius
I also get the sense that these 'Hipublicans' are steeped in left-wing ideology in the way they spout mindless platitudes about the glories of diversity. They probably have no problem with Bush's surrender on racial preferences, and also probably have no problem with judicially mandated gay marriages (or whatever euphemism you want to use like 'civil unions'). Great observation.
To: XEHRpa
I have worked with Drexel grads now and then. Solid engineers.
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posted on
01/22/2004 7:41:51 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: RightWhale
Thanks for the Drexel compliment.
XEHRpa (MEM '84,'84,'88)
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posted on
01/24/2004 2:02:36 PM PST
by
XEHRpa
To: Aetius; KantianBurke
A while back, my tagline read "The only problem I have with conservatism is conservatives." And you two's thinking provides a perfect example. I'm 32. Younger folks turning towards the Right/conservatism don't need people like you turning them away by questioning their motives, intentions, or sincerity.
Being a reactionary is not good by itself. But that's what so-called conservatives are really good at. React! React! React!
Personally speaking, I don't even consider myself a conservative anymore. No one could accuse me of being friendly with any part of Leftist thought, either.
Oh, and Aetius, let me address something you said specifically. You said, "I also get the sense that these 'Hipublicans' are steeped in left-wing ideology in the way they spout mindless platitudes about the glories of diversity." That's the point!
This is a dual-edged sword that works in the Right's favor. First, and I can personally attest to this, they recognize the utter nonsense that they had been indoctrinated with. Second, they realize that diversity of opinion is great, not diversity for diversity's sake.
If the sum is greater than its parts, strengthen the sum by strengthening the parts. In other words, you should welcome them and let each one be edified through debate, not cast aside or shunned.
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posted on
01/24/2004 2:19:59 PM PST
by
rdb3
(If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
To: rdb3
Typical big tenticrat response. Let me repeat yet again. If you are not in favor of the basic tenets of the GOP then why are you a part of it? We on FR bitch and moan constantly about RINOs and "moderates" to the point that I fail to see any justification for welcoming more of them irrespective of their age. Want to champion big govt solutions? The DNC's that way pal.
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posted on
01/24/2004 2:42:50 PM PST
by
KantianBurke
(2+2 does NOT equal 5)
To: KantianBurke
Typical big tenticrat response.Such a way with words! Get down my man.
Let me repeat yet again. If you are not in favor of the basic tenets of the GOP then why are you a part of it?
Umm, because I'm not a Republican. FYI, I'm an Independent. So your pat assumption just fell flat on its face here, didn't it?
We on FR...
Which I've been a part of since December of 2000.
...bitch and moan constantly about RINOs and "moderates" to the point that I fail to see any justification for welcoming more of them irrespective of their age.
Your initial response was to another poster about his gut feelings about these younger people who tend Right. There is no proof of them being "RINOs" or even "moderates," yet your assumption here (again) is your driving force.
Not so good.
Want to champion big govt solutions?
Guess you can't read. Did I or did I not say in #54, "Personally speaking, I don't even consider myself a conservative anymore. No one could accuse me of being friendly with any part of Leftist thought, either." That is not a "big govt" solution.
Yet another assumption as to what I think without first asking the question.
The DNC's that way pal.
I detest Democrats and the DNC, I'm not your friend or pal, and don't want to be.
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posted on
01/24/2004 3:15:05 PM PST
by
rdb3
(If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
To: rdb3
Let me get this straight. You don't consider urself a conservative and yet you scream when those of us who are insist on there being some baseline principles from which to be a part of? Boy no wonder you left. You wish to have the party fit ANYONES idelogical preferences and when some object you cry, take ur marbles and go home. Thank you for being an independant and don't come back.
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posted on
01/24/2004 4:05:26 PM PST
by
KantianBurke
(2+2 does NOT equal 5)
To: KantianBurke
I swear, you're stupid, simple, and slow! I don't care about any party. I was never a Republican. I said I don't call myself conservative anymore.
Big difference.
You see things only one way, and insist on that even when you're demonstrably wrong. Each assumption you've made has been shot down.
You can have your party. I could care less.
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posted on
01/24/2004 4:18:16 PM PST
by
rdb3
(If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
To: rdb3
If anyone's an idiot its you. Once AGAIN, if you've never been a part of the GOP or conservatism WTF do you care if those of us who are demand some standards? We've let folks in who are akin to you; mushy and unprincipled. End result? We get Jeffords and attitude. So a thousand pardons but some political parties have a "not wanted" sign on the door for good reason. Deal.
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posted on
01/24/2004 4:33:51 PM PST
by
KantianBurke
(2+2 does NOT equal 5)
To: KantianBurke
We've let folks in who are akin to you; mushy and unprincipled.So now I'm "mushy and unprincipled." Well, if KantianBurke says it, it must be true.
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posted on
01/24/2004 4:36:40 PM PST
by
rdb3
(If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
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