Mass graves `are everywhere': Iraq littered with bodies, but number of dead unknown

Chicago Tribune ^ | 21Jan04 | Stephen Franklin

[Dilbert56]

No, no , no! His October surprise is to bring Bin Laden out from jail. Mad Maddy told me so.

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Well said.

It is good to see this in a mainstream paper.

We will be hearing these stories for many years to come, long overdue.

Just knowing that the world is finally listening may help the Iraqi people heal.

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More on the CPA-Iraqi commission set up to locate the missing and protect the mass graves:

8 Mass Graves of Iraq: Uncovering Atrocities ~ Coalition Provisional Authority | 1/05/04

Eyewitness testimony:

8 Baghdad, with Victims ~ To those with eyes to see, Saddam Hussein’s butchery was reason enough for war ~ Commentary  | 12/03/03 | Steven Vincent

8 THE CRUELEST COVER-UP ~ Tales of Saddam's Brutality ~ White House | Various

Pictures, important ~ and mostly absent from mainstream coverage of Iraq, and from the net:

8 Graphic proof from Saddam's Killing Fields ~ http://www.9neesan.com | 1/12/04 | the dead of Iraq

[Capt. Tom]

Yeah, and you gotta love the "exit strategy" talking point when it comes to Iraq. I'm still waiting for an "exit strategy" in Bosnia.

How about an exit strategy from Korea. We have been there 50 years on the DMZ.(Demilitarized Zone.)

[xzins]

Wes Clark's kneepad approach to power has him a laughingstock in the military. Everyone now knows what Shelton and Franks were talking about.

Clark in a "gay" shot in a "gay" magazine dissing "don't ask, don't tell" is a final nail in his coffin, imho.

[RandallFlagg]

I posted this on another thread, but I think it should go here as well:

Here's what I've been thinking:

When President Bush said what he said about Saddam's WMDs before we invaded, he was just as, if not more, adamant of the threat being real. Now, does everyone remember all the "WMDs FOUND!!" threads we had here on FR? There was something in those reports (Not all of them) that warranted further investigation, but perhaps the news shouldn't have been leaked so fast.

I believe that in the course of the war after the first few reports of WMDs got out, a quickly launched order was sent to all of the field commanders that if they found something in question of reference to WMDs, they were to silence traffic and mark it for investigations and inspections. They had to keep the integrity of their findings for the CIA and other investigational organizations so they could be catalogued and, possibly, traced to their origins.

However, President Bush has remained solid about the WMDs. If they had been sent to other nations (Syria), he'd have told us this by now. Why hasn't this happened?

I believe it's because he already has all of the information and is in the process of preparing a rock solid case against the nations helping Saddam violate the embargos and sanctions. IF we had revealed everything too early, shredders worldwide would fire up and wipe out everything before the case could be made.

Saddam's WMDs is only ONE aspect to this puzzle. There's so many other ties that must be secured before anyone starts blabbing about this and that.

However, this is purely my opinion.

[pgkdan]

I think Lieberman got it right. Saddam IS a WMD.

[wizardoz]

And for the left, black slavery and the "slaughter of the Native Americans" a few hundred years ago is more salient, more pressing, more important than anything so fresh as this. Who will pay for "reparations" for the 12 years that the UN fiddled while Iraq burned?

[stylin_geek]

We have an exit strategy. President Bush is working on destroying North Korea. If Russia can collapse internally, then so can N.K. However, yeah, another sore point. As far as I'm concerned, if Seoul keeps acting the way it does toward Americans, then I think we should threaten to pull our troops. And then pull them when things don't change.

[PISANO]

Whatever the ultimate number of dead turns out to be...it will obliterate the so called genocide that took place in Gen Clark and X42's, UN FREE, NECESSARY and democrat approved war.

[wizardoz]

I'm waiting for fat slob POS Michael Moore to issue a statement about this... still waiting...

He can't talk. His mouth is full. Usually.

[beelzepug]

"How about an exit strategy from Korea. We have been there 50 years on the DMZ."

Yes, 50 years of successfully keeping people from jumping the border. But our troops have no expertise at this, according to the "experts" so our own borders are like a sieve.

[OldFriend]

No thanks to Wesley Clark we know how many were murdered in Rwanda.

[JoeSchem]

I hate to be in the position of Devil's Advocate, but if you read between the lines, the writer of this piece never actually comes out and says they've found hundreds of thousands of bodies in mass graves. They've found X number of grave sites, they estimate that X number were killed, but the writer never comes out and says, "We've found hundreds of thousands of corpses from Saddam's reign of terror."

Please don't show me photographs of two people, ten people, and then say, "How DARE you question us!" Any Leftist can counter with photos of My Lai, or even Kent State, or how about the Iraqis killed and maimed during the war and occupation by US forces.

No, to prove that the war was necessary, you'll have to come up with an official, verifiable body count number in the hundreds of thousands. Only then can you maintain that the war actually saved lives by getting rid of a murderous tyrant.

I'm not saying you can or can't come up with this. I'm just saying that if you don't, then you're giving the Democratic Presidential candidate a powerful talking point in the debates come autumn.

[xzins]

I have no problem with your thinking.

The article says people are doing the slow job of digging them up and verifying them. The number "confirmed" means exactly that.

It's not a sudden process, and it will take time, and then there's the problem of what to do with the bodies.

[optimistically_conservative]

What's frustrates me is the leftists that regaled communism should have been significantly marginalized by communism's murderous foundation, but instead, have been lionized as victims of McCarthy and anti-communists. To defend their moral ineptitude, they create a moral equivalency that exaggerates Anglo imperialism and defends autocratic regimes as defenders against capitalism and Western hegemony.

It will be interesting to note as the dictatorial regimes in the Middle East fall, how leftists will be judged for their defense (and appeasement) of pan-Arabism and theocratic rule. I am optimistic that a return to the 50s confidence and patriotism is where the pendulum is swinging.

[TYVets]

"This place seems to be like Germany in the spring of 1945, a huge charnel house. God know how it is in other countries where our troops have not set foot."

Not yet, but tomorrow !

[300winmag]

No, no , no! His October surprise is to bring Bin Laden out from jail. Mad Maddy told me so.

If/when Bush produces Osama, the leftist mantra will be "but is America any safer now?".

If Bush has Osama "stashed away" somewhere, it's in a one-quart baggie in a freezer.

[Lizavetta]

Question for the libs....

How are mass graves of dead Iraqis any less horrible than mass graves of dead Jews?

And people wonder how the Germans could have stood by while the Holocaust happened right under their noses. We're witnessing the same thing now.

If Clinton was in the White House he'd be nominated for some humanitarian award for stopping this, but it's a Republican so it's only about oil/Halliburton/Cheney etc. etc. etc.

[RobbyS]

As the Dims keep saying, there are maybe 20 countries with worse records where we might intervene. To them I say: well, tell your buddies in Europe to build up your armied forces so that you can do your share and don't whine while we do what we can.

[MeekOneGOP]

bttt for later read. Thanks ...