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David Kay Stands Down as U.S. Special Advisor on Iraq WMD (Just on their ticker now)
BBC News ^ | 1/23/04

Posted on 01/23/2004 10:40:16 AM PST by areafiftyone

David Kay Stands Down as U.S. Special Advisor on Iraq WMD. More to follow...


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KEYWORDS: bbc; davidkay; inspections; kay; reuters; un; wmd
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1 posted on 01/23/2004 10:40:17 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Forced out by Bush and Halliburton??? JK.
2 posted on 01/23/2004 10:41:41 AM PST by smith288 ("YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW" - Howard Dean)
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To: smith288; All
This just in from Reuters

CIA names Duelfer to replace Kay in Iraq WMD hunt

WASHINGTON, Jan 23 (Reuters) - David Kay has quit his post as leader of the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which so far has failed to find any actual arms, and will be replaced by former U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, the CIA said on Friday.

In making the announcement, CIA Director George Tenet praised Kay for his "extraordinary service under dangerous and difficult circumstances."

3 posted on 01/23/2004 10:46:04 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
Is it "quit" or is it something that has been known for a while?

One indication would be an immediate successor found. If so, then this has been working for some time.
4 posted on 01/23/2004 10:47:37 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To: xzins
Check out my post from Reuters. :-)
5 posted on 01/23/2004 10:48:51 AM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: smith288
Time for a major CIA skeptic on the existence of WMDs in Iraq to unearth some? OTOH he could be on the trail of how the pre-war intelligence went awry if it did.
6 posted on 01/23/2004 10:49:19 AM PST by babaloo
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To: xzins
I've heard about Kay leaving for quite a while. It appears the media here is using the word "quit" to make it more sensational. I am leery of his replacement though, since Tenet put him there.
7 posted on 01/23/2004 10:49:48 AM PST by over3Owithabrain (just kidding folks - I support W)
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To: areafiftyone
I thought Kay was going to stick around until Feb...
8 posted on 01/23/2004 10:50:06 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: RandallFlagg
I thought Kay was going to stick around until Feb...

It looks like it, Feb is only 8 days away.

9 posted on 01/23/2004 10:51:35 AM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
I sure hope that his replacement isn't a blabbermouth.

I'm thinking that we found everything we need already, but haven't released the information until we can trace source, seller, manufacturing nation, etc..
10 posted on 01/23/2004 10:53:23 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: xzins
If so, then this has been working for some time.

News had been hinting of this since December.

11 posted on 01/23/2004 10:55:05 AM PST by Shermy
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To: All
This is old news. Kay said earlier that he wanted to get home to his family. Do you expect this guy to live there for 3 or 4 years??
12 posted on 01/23/2004 10:56:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: RandallFlagg; aristeides; seamole; pokerbuddy0; okie01
David Kay had expressed fears that the search wasn't complete and had to proceed.

The new appointee is Charles Duelfer, who has stated before he didn't think weapons would be found.

George Tenet appointed Duelfer, not Bush.
13 posted on 01/23/2004 11:00:35 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Sacajaweau
I don't have a lick of sympathy for a guy who spent a billion taxpayer dollars on a snipe hunt.
14 posted on 01/23/2004 11:00:41 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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Skeptic May Take Over Iraq Arms Hunt
By DOUGLAS JEHL

Published: January 23, 2004


ASHINGTON, Jan. 22 — Charles A. Duelfer, the former No. 2 United Nations weapons inspector for Iraq, is likely to be named soon to succeed David Kay as the leader of the American team searching in that country for evidence of illicit weapons, according to senior American officials.

Mr. Duelfer recently expressed deep public skepticism that any chemical or biological weapons would be found in Iraq, and he has suggested that the task ahead for American inspectors may be understanding Iraq's intentions on illicit weapons rather than any actual arsenal.

For that reason, Mr. Duelfer's choice could be disputed among those in the Bush administration who have stuck to the view that illicit weapons — cited by the administration as a principal reason for going to war — will eventually be discovered.

No final decision has been made, the senior officials said, but they said that Dr. Kay, who signaled in December that he might step down, has since made clear he will not stay on, and they described Mr. Duelfer as the leading candidate to succeed him. Mr. Duelfer's likely nomination was first reported on Wednesday night by NBC News.

The decision rests primarily in the hands of George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, to whom Dr. Kay reported as a senior adviser. Dr. Kay's successor would almost certainly hold the same title, administration officials said.

A C.I.A. spokesman declined to comment, and Mr. Duelfer and Dr. Kay did not return phone messages.

After nearly eight months of searching, the 1,400-person team headed by Dr. Kay in Iraq has not yet turned up any of the biological or chemical weapons that Bush administration officials said before the American invasion in Iraq were in Iraq's stockpiles. Nor have the inspectors found evidence of an active program to build nuclear weapons, which administration officials cited as another reason for war.

In a Jan. 9 interview on "Newshour" on PBS, Mr. Duelfer said, "The prospect of finding chemical weapons, biological weapons is close to nil at this point." He said the inspectors had been "talking to a lot of Iraqi scientists, anyone who has known where they are, they've spoken to. They've had every incentive to show them where they are, and they have come up with nothing."

Those statements are much more pessimistic than those offered publicly to date by Bush administration officials. Instead, they have sought to emphasize what President Bush described in his State of the Union address this week as evidence unearthed by Dr. Kay that Iraq was pursuing "weapons of mass destruction program-related activities," like its importation as late as December 2002 of prohibited rocket engines.

Some senior intelligence officials have said it is far too early to rule out the prospect that banned weapons might be found.

In the PBS interview, Mr. Duelfer said: "There has been every incentive in the world for the Iraqi people and the Iraqi scientists to come forward and say this is where the weapons are. That hasn't happened. So I think the problem right now is what is the extent of the problem and where was it headed? What were the intentions of the regime?"

A former State Department official, Mr. Duelfer served at the United Nations as deputy executive chairman of the United Nations' special commission on Iraq from 1993 until its termination in 2000. In that post, he was the top American official among the United Nations inspectors and served as a link between that team and American intelligence agencies, according to senior government officials.

Near the end of his tenure, the disclosure of a covert American effort to install listening devices and otherwise gather intelligence in Iraq under cover of the inspections effort strained relations between Washington and the United Nations.

Senator John W. Warner, the Virginia Republican who is chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, met during the holiday recess with Dr. Kay. On Friday, he said publicly that Dr. Kay had told him that "a good portion of the work has been done" but that "there is a remaining portion that he feels strongly should be completed."

Dr. Kay issued his last public report on the search in October, and he said he would issue another early this year. A senior American official said Thursday that the new report was still being planned, but that it was unlikely that Dr. Kay would draft it.



15 posted on 01/23/2004 11:02:10 AM PST by Shermy
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To: over3Owithabrain
I've heard about Kay leaving for quite a while. It appears the media here is using the word "quit" to make it more sensational

The first I heard it reported was last month .. I agree with you .. the media is trying to make it more sensational

16 posted on 01/23/2004 11:05:47 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: Shermy
The new appointee is Charles Duelfer, who has stated before he didn't think weapons would be found.

My guess he'll have eat those words

17 posted on 01/23/2004 11:07:41 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: areafiftyone
sounds like a good guy

CSIS Visiting Resident Scholar
http://www.csis.org/experts/4duelfer.htm

Charles Duelfer Warns on Inspections
Beware of Saddam's tricks, UN arms inspector warned
http://www.iraqfoundation.org/news/2002/isept/30_duelfer.html

PREPARED TESTIMONY OF

CHARLES DUELFER Visiting Scholar Center for Strategic and International Studies
Subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia
Committee on International Relations, United States House of Representatives
http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/us/hearingspreparedstatements/hirc-duelfer-10-4-01.htm

Essay - War and Space, ANALOG science fiction magazine, 1979
http://isfdb.tamu.edu/cgi-bin/pw.cgi?b24a95

CNN interview
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/08/i_qaa.02.html

18 posted on 01/23/2004 11:08:29 AM PST by adam_az
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To: Mo1
Exactly...

I have a feeling that we already have enough evidence to convince a guy like this and how better to make it more credible in the eyes of the world than to have a skeptic admit that the evidence was solid.

Karl Rove could be one of the best political strategists I've ever seen work.
19 posted on 01/23/2004 11:10:13 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: areafiftyone
It's been known he was going to quit for some time, he wants to get back to his family. The search is obviously taking longer than expected and he didn't think he'd be away this long.
20 posted on 01/23/2004 11:14:47 AM PST by MattAMiller
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To: nuffsenuff
I have a feeling that we already have enough evidence to convince a guy like this and how better to make it more credible in the eyes of the world than to have a skeptic admit that the evidence was solid.

I thought I just said that..

Must be the FRecho..
21 posted on 01/23/2004 11:15:10 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: JohnGalt
I don't have a lick of sympathy for a guy who spent a billion taxpayer dollars on a snipe hunt."

"Intelligence dupes, Their What's for Dinner". Hey a lot of people ate yellow cake in the story based on forged intelligence. I wonder if we will ever find out who prepared the recipe and baked the cake? Bush knew that Clinton was conned with the aspirin factory 'intelligence' but still ate the cake story.

22 posted on 01/23/2004 11:15:21 AM PST by ex-snook (Where is the patriotism in the war on American jobs?)
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To: nuffsenuff
Well, we have found the recipes, most of the ingredients, the bowl, the mixer and the oven ... the only thing we need to still find is the batter itself

And they will find it
23 posted on 01/23/2004 11:18:23 AM PST by Mo1 (Join the dollar a day crowd now!)
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To: ex-snook
As much as the Bush Team wants this story to just go away, the "true believers" won't let him.
24 posted on 01/23/2004 11:20:00 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: areafiftyone
Here's an angle. What if he did find evidence but the gov't is suppressing it and he doesn't want to take part in that ?
25 posted on 01/23/2004 11:20:03 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Then he would probably end up committing "suicide" at some point, to keep him quiet.
26 posted on 01/23/2004 11:24:24 AM PST by BagCamAddict (Tell the Troops: DO NOT TRUST ANY IRAQI WHO IS 40 POUNDS OVERWEIGHT !!)
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To: RandallFlagg
Sorry dude...

I went to the last post (Mol's) and it was what I was thinking.

Didn't mean to steal your thunder.
27 posted on 01/23/2004 11:26:33 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: nuffsenuff
Oh, well. Great minds alike, and all that..
28 posted on 01/23/2004 11:28:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: smith288
Forced out by Dick Cheney's Flying Monkeys...
29 posted on 01/23/2004 11:29:25 AM PST by johnb838 (Write-In Tancredo in your Republican Primary)
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To: RandallFlagg
True.
30 posted on 01/23/2004 11:33:08 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: areafiftyone
David Kay moving from WMD hunt to Snipe Hunting School instructor emeritus.
31 posted on 01/23/2004 11:35:16 AM PST by familyofman
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To: Mo1
Well, we have found the recipes, most of the ingredients, the bowl, the mixer and the oven ... the only thing we need to still find is the batter itself

I bet you believed in Santa Claus well into your teens, too.
32 posted on 01/23/2004 11:36:10 AM PST by Belial
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To: Mo1
Two Questions:

1) How many spider holes in Iraq?

2) How many jugs of nasty, nasty poison would fit in a given spider hole?

3) Why did Iraq need so much "pesticide"?
33 posted on 01/23/2004 11:37:03 AM PST by johnb838 (Write-In Tancredo in your Republican Primary)
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To: nuffsenuff
"Karl Rove could be one of the best political strategists I've ever seen work."

Well, maybe. But Tenet made the appointment, not Rove. And Tenet is a Clinton appointee.

It was time for Tenet to go a long time ago. Like, 9/12/01. I just don't trust having a Clintonite in that position. And while I'm at it: same goes for Mineta.
34 posted on 01/23/2004 11:42:35 AM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
This is true but I think Tenet's on a short leash.

He's screwed up so bad that he's just passing down the orders from Bush. He's being used for increased credibility purposes now.
35 posted on 01/23/2004 11:46:05 AM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: areafiftyone
Ex-U.S. Arms Hunter Kay Says No Stockpiles in Iraq

Have you seen this?
37 posted on 01/23/2004 12:07:28 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: ex-snook
Hey a lot of people ate yellow cake in the story based on forged intelligence.

You're wrong. The story was not based on forged intelligence.

Or forged documents either.

Disinformation is not appreciated here.

The British have stated flatly that their information has nothing to do with forgeries.

38 posted on 01/23/2004 12:14:52 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: xzins
Kay has been planning to return to his previous job for sometime. Heard about this before the first of the year.
39 posted on 01/23/2004 12:23:09 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: nuffsenuff
Think is a great hire since the guy is skeptical but he knows about the WMDs from previous times. My guess is that they want to find evidence of where they went. People forget that these WMD's are like finding a needle in a haystack they are that small.

Because of the UN going back in Iraq, the scientist had plenty of time to get the WMD's to another Country or bury so they wouldn't be easily found.
40 posted on 01/23/2004 12:28:12 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: MamaLucci
Thanks. That's not good. The Democreeps are going to jump on this.
41 posted on 01/23/2004 12:30:00 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: areafiftyone
yes the Dems will land on this, but am i the only one who finds it more than passing strange that the UN inspectors came across much more by accident than our guys found intentionally looking. i believe we'll find the country was scrubbed. it simply does not make sense that Saddam would expunge the bios and chems when no inspectors were looking after 1998 out of the goodness of his heart. no sense at all
42 posted on 01/23/2004 12:37:22 PM PST by avital2
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To: MamaLucci
Could they be teeing it up?

Get everyone (the Democrats and looney leftists) a lathered up that there are no WMD, and BAM! Evidence?
43 posted on 01/23/2004 12:42:38 PM PST by nuffsenuff
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To: nuffsenuff
I certainly hope so.
Here's a quote from another thread on this subjest:
"Ex-U.S. Arms Hunter Kay Says No Stockpiles in Iraq because they are in Syria."
44 posted on 01/23/2004 12:46:30 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: MamaLucci; areafiftyone; nuffsenuff
Looks like Kay basicly feels like he's accomplished all he was ever going to be able to accomplish as far as finding WMD.
45 posted on 01/23/2004 12:50:24 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("Howard Dean is incontrovertible proof that God is on Bush's side in the 2004 election"- Dick Morris)
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To: Shermy; PhiKapMom
Thanks for the info.

The media seems to be spinning this as a "quitting" with that word meaning frustration, anger, spur of the moment, surprise, etc.
46 posted on 01/23/2004 12:55:27 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To: MamaLucci
Is that "because they are in Syria" a quote from Kay or a quote from a Freeper?

47 posted on 01/23/2004 12:59:00 PM PST by alnick (A vote for anyone but George W. Bush for president in 2004 strengthens Al Qaeda.)
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To: Shermy; Mo1
"The new appointee is Charles Duelfer, who has stated before he didn't think weapons would be found."

My guess he'll have eat those words

It appears Duelfer don't want to eat those words.

I was just listening to radio news and the news reporter quoted Duelfer as saying; "Who knows, there may still be something to be found".

48 posted on 01/23/2004 1:07:19 PM PST by Spunky (This little tag just keeps following me where ever I go.)
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To: Spunky
So many possible agendas to find WMD and not to find WMD...
49 posted on 01/23/2004 1:10:01 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Whether Charles Duelfer is a skeptic or no, the focus of the investigation is switching to what was the intent of the regime. Whether there are some stockpiles in Syria or not, perhaps there really was no massive production going in the 90s, and we are just now finding that out.

Still, the regime was in violation of UN resolution 1440 since it failed to account for any stockpiles. Programs were in evidence, the intelligence community wasn't hallucinating. The Iraqis really were running around and hiding things from weapons inspectors. But no massive production. We will just have to find out what we can.

50 posted on 01/23/2004 1:33:48 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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