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Bush Immigrant Plan Likely to Fail (Y'all are getting hot and bothered over nothing!)
The Courier News [Elgin, IL] ^ | January 23, 2004 | Daniel Duggan

Posted on 01/23/2004 6:35:26 PM PST by quidnunc

Hastert visits Elgin: U.S. House speaker talks on immigration, energy, politics issues

Elgin – Several weeks ago, President George W. Bush rolled out a program to grant temporary work permits to undocumented immigrants.

But before the program can proceed, it needs to pass Congress — which probably won't happen, U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert told The Courier News Editorial Board on Thursday.

"I don't think there's support to get that through Congress," the Yorkville Republican said. "But I think this is a chance to start a debate."

Hastert acknowledged that immigration problems are growing in the Fox Valley, and with large immigrant populations in Elgin and Aurora, many family members are moving to the area from their home countries. He stressed that there should be a program for people to come to the United States, work for a few years and be able to go home.

With agricultural and factory jobs across Illinois being filled by immigrant workers, Hastert stressed that they are "doing important work."

"And they shouldn't be forced to stay here and hide," he said.

But Hastert puts his foot down when asked if undocumented immigrants already in the country should be given amnesty, rather than proceed through the existing citizenship process.

"If you put amnesty in there, you short-circuit the system," he said. "You can't change the rules and amnesty changes the rules."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; bush43; dennishastert; gop; hastert; immigration; immigrationplan; stoptheexcerpts
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Remember the hue and cry that went up when Bush announced that he would sigh the reauthorization of the assault weapons ban?

Well, he knew that a bill wouldn't even get to his desk because during the election of 2000 gun control was the political third rail for Democrats.

So Bush took an issue away from the Democrats.

The same thing is happening with the immigration proposal.

Bush took something along to give to Fox on that trip to Mexico and earned some brownie points with Mexican-American voters.

So don't get your undies in a bunch until there's a bill on the table, which probably will be… no time soon.

1 posted on 01/23/2004 6:35:27 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Didn't we say the same thing about Campaign Fiance Reform?
2 posted on 01/23/2004 6:36:19 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: Squantos
FYI
3 posted on 01/23/2004 6:36:53 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
You're exactly right. Briliant strategery on Dubya's part.
4 posted on 01/23/2004 6:37:29 PM PST by annyokie (Wesley Clark: Howard Dean with medals!)
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To: quidnunc
I feel pretty confident that this proposal is DOA in the House.
5 posted on 01/23/2004 6:37:53 PM PST by rdb3 (If Jesse Jack$on and I meet, face to face, it's gonna be a misunderstanding...)
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To: DMCA
Campaign Fiance Reform?

LOL! That's pretty good.

Welcome to FR.

5.56mm

6 posted on 01/23/2004 6:38:25 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: quidnunc
He's going to sign the AW ban.

CFR wasn't goint to past the USSC also.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, take me out and shoot me.
7 posted on 01/23/2004 6:38:41 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: quidnunc
So don't get your undies in a bunch until there's a bill on the table, which probably will be… no time soon.

If the reception the proposal got at the SOTU address is an indicator, I have to agree. Never heard such a dead flounder hit the table at one of those before.

8 posted on 01/23/2004 6:39:27 PM PST by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: quidnunc
The chances of an immigration bill/guest worker program passing congress before the election are no higher than zero.

Bush will get some credit from hispanics for raising the issue to national discussion. Whether that offsets the conservatives who will refuse to vote for him is not known.

Something needs to be done, and maybe the political wheels will finally begin to move.

9 posted on 01/23/2004 6:40:59 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DMCA
DMCA wrote: Didn't we say the same thing about Campaign Fiance Reform?

A different situation.

Everybody was convinced that SCOTUS would declare most of it unconstitutional.

But nobody took into account that Sandra O'Connor might start to do some serious resume polishing so she could get some good-paying gigs on boards of directors when she retired.

10 posted on 01/23/2004 6:41:25 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Sabertooth; PhiKapMom
*** I TOLD YOU SO ***
11 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:10 PM PST by Pubbie (Hillary is not running in 2004 - GET OVER IT People!)
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To: quidnunc
I pray that your correct ........seems like a move to make politically.

Stay Safe !

12 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:27 PM PST by Squantos (Salmon...the other pink meat !)
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To: quidnunc
The Hagel-Daschle bill is S2010.

I think there are a few others dealing with immigration on the table.... Tancredo filed one in Nov. 03 and I think Cornyn in Jul of 03 ... possibly others.....

Now I agree I don't think any will get passed with amnesty in them, etc.

13 posted on 01/23/2004 6:44:28 PM PST by deport ( Owen, Kuhl, Brown, Pickering, Pryor, Allen.. [Estrada, they won])
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To: quidnunc
I gotta hand it to Bush, he really knows just where to jab the Democrats.
14 posted on 01/23/2004 6:46:11 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (All Our Base Are Belong To Dubya)
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To: CFC__VRWC

15 posted on 01/23/2004 6:47:00 PM PST by Pubbie (Hillary is not running in 2004 - GET OVER IT People!)
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To: DMCA
Didn't we say the same thing about Campaign Fiance Reform?

Good point!

16 posted on 01/23/2004 6:50:19 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: quidnunc
But Hastert puts his foot down when asked if undocumented immigrants already in the country should be given amnesty, rather than proceed through the existing citizenship process.

"If you put amnesty in there, you short-circuit the system," he said. "You can't change the rules and amnesty changes the rules."

That's the Dennis Hastert I'm used to hearing... I hope he sticks by that and doesn't give in to pressure.

17 posted on 01/23/2004 6:50:44 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: quidnunc
Bush took something along to give to Fox on that trip to Mexico and earned some brownie points with Mexican-American voters.

Thanks to Bush the whole subject of amnesty is now on the table.

It be much better politics if he'd announced he's gonna enforce current immigration law. Now amnesty for illegals is in the realm of possibility. Thanks alot.

18 posted on 01/23/2004 6:51:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: quidnunc
How is it different? The same exact thing could happen with this, the only difference is the names of the players have changed.

19 posted on 01/23/2004 6:52:54 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: quidnunc
(Y'all are getting hot and bothered over nothing!)

Whether it will pass or not, some of us still feel we need to let him know we don't like the idea.
20 posted on 01/23/2004 6:54:08 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: DMCA
What part of "it ain't gonna happen" do you not understand?
21 posted on 01/23/2004 6:55:17 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
What part of "we said this before and it blew up in our faces like an ACME rocket" do you not understand?"

The CFR thing JUST HAPPENED! It's not like it happend 20 years ago.
22 posted on 01/23/2004 6:57:04 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: DMCA
Not the same thing. Not the same thing, AT ALL.

Tom DeLay can stop this cold, and likely will.

23 posted on 01/23/2004 6:58:26 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: skeeter
Thanks to Bush the whole subject of amnesty is now on the table.

Bingo.

Beyond emboldening the Left, he's shouting to the world that our immigration laws aren't going to be enforced, reinforcing the impression of weakness given by, surprise, his three-year non-enforcement of our immigration laws.

24 posted on 01/23/2004 7:05:45 PM PST by dagnabbit (Tell Bush: No Amnesty, No Mexico Merger, No Global Labor Pool. Vote Tancredo in the Primary)
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To: sinkspur
its close enough to be worth mentioning, even if you disagree, tough guy.
25 posted on 01/23/2004 7:06:26 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: mac_truck
its close enough to be worth mentioning, even if you disagree, tough guy.

I disagree, little guy.

26 posted on 01/23/2004 7:07:38 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur; DMCA
Tom DeLay USSC can stop this cold, and likely will.
27 posted on 01/23/2004 7:10:35 PM PST by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: quidnunc
" So don't get your undies in a bunch until there's a bill on the table, which probably will be… no time soon."

I think part of this was to force the Democrats to tack left on immigration,which has already happened with the Daschle-Dingell-Hagel-Bagel Bill.

" The senators proposed that undocumented workers and their families living in the United States be given the chance to become "invested stakeholders" in the country by earning legal permanent residence through work." Bush said they have to go back to their home countries after 3 years .

" In addition, the senators' proposal would remove limits on the number of spouses and minor children of legal permanent residents who can get visas to come to the United States and apply for residency, treating them like the spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens."
28 posted on 01/23/2004 7:15:22 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: sinkspur
The only thing different is that instead of depending on the SC to stop it, we are depending on the House/Senate to stop it. And they have done a EXCELLENT job on holding the line on spending, haven't they?
29 posted on 01/23/2004 7:15:44 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
That's the Dennis Hastert I'm used to hearing... I hope he sticks by that and doesn't give in to pressure.

I don't see why you're giving Hastert any kudos. He's claiming that "amnesty changes the rules" and "short-circuits the system" yet it doesn't seem to bother him one dang bit that allowing illegal aliens to remain here (with or without some "blue card") also changes the rules and short circuits the system. It sounds to me like he's just spewing more B.S.

30 posted on 01/23/2004 7:18:37 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: DMCA
So, what are you gonna do? Just sit on your fat butt and bellyache, or contact your local rep?

Otherwise, you're just griping.

31 posted on 01/23/2004 7:21:24 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
What are you going to do? You appear to be the one that thinks others are going to solve the problem for you. I have contacted those that 'represent' me to express my feelings. But that was nice of you to assume that I haven't done anything.

Let me ask you one final question if I may. Do you always jump to such conclusions before asking what the others have done?
32 posted on 01/23/2004 7:26:10 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: DumpsterDiver
DumpsterDiver wrote: (That's the Dennis Hastert I'm used to hearing... I hope he sticks by that and doesn't give in to pressure.) I don't see why you're giving Hastert any kudos. He's claiming that "amnesty changes the rules" and "short-circuits the system" yet it doesn't seem to bother him one dang bit that allowing illegal aliens to remain here (with or without some "blue card") also changes the rules and short circuits the system. It sounds to me like he's just spewing more B.S.

And just how do you propose rounding up and deporting 8-10 million people who don't want to be found?

33 posted on 01/23/2004 7:29:14 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: DMCA
Do you always jump to such conclusions before asking what the others have done?

Yes. Based on past performance here, most of the howler monkeys never leave their cages.

Don't you have somebody's music to fair use?

34 posted on 01/23/2004 7:30:11 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: DMCA
You appear to be the one that thinks others are going to solve the problem for you.

BTW, I'm not the one with the problem. You are.

35 posted on 01/23/2004 7:31:19 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
So how is the inside of yours?
36 posted on 01/23/2004 7:31:22 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: DumpsterDiver
I don't see why you're giving Hastert any kudos

He does appear to support a temporary worker program, which I do not. But at least he's saying no to Bush's idea of granting citizenship to illegals after the fact, which is a major component of the plan.

What it looks like he's open to is a guest worker program along the lines that Tancredo has proposed.

37 posted on 01/23/2004 7:31:51 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: DMCA
So how is the inside of yours?

Fine. Again, I'm not the one bellowing at the moon.

38 posted on 01/23/2004 7:32:56 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Like father, like son.
Does the phrase " No New Taxes" ring any bells to you?
Unlike you, I consider President Bush a man of his word.
I respect him.
You can proffer all the free Koolaid you want, but GWB campaigned on this topic and has not wavered in his views.
I expect him to push hard for this nightmarish travesty of justice.He said he would.I take him at his word.
Why dont you?

39 posted on 01/23/2004 7:33:15 PM PST by sarasmom (If I get a fake blue card, does that mean I wont have to pay for health and auto insurance?)
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To: sarasmom
Why dont you?

It was a political move. There's no support for it.

And, if you think George W is like his father politically, you're not watching what's going on.

40 posted on 01/23/2004 7:35:02 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: quidnunc
"And just how do you propose rounding up and deporting 8-10 million people who don't want to be found."

I don't. I propose infiltrating 1,000 employers and then fining them $50,000 per illegal and seizing their businesses. I mean if it's good enough for the local sheriffs in the WoD, then it should be good enough to help Homeland Security in the WoT.
41 posted on 01/23/2004 7:35:14 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
He's going to sign the AW ban.

Yes, he is.

First rule of being a real man: If you don't mean it, don't say it. Pandering is not a real man's game.

42 posted on 01/23/2004 7:35:28 PM PST by ShadowDancer
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To: ShadowDancer
"First rule of being a real man: If you don't mean it, don't say it. Pandering is not a real man's game."

Amen. The GOP (Grand Ole Panderers) used to take the conservative wing seriously. I guess 40 more years out of power is what it will take to get a wake up call.
43 posted on 01/23/2004 7:41:11 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
Beck_isright wrote: I don't. I propose infiltrating 1,000 employers and then fining them $50,000 per illegal and seizing their businesses. I mean if it's good enough for the local sheriffs in the WoD, then it should be good enough to help Homeland Security in the WoT.

Right, destroy a bunch of small businesses, make a bunch of inocent people unemployed and bugger up the economy.

Great move!

44 posted on 01/23/2004 7:41:19 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: sinkspur
And I am not the one who hopes the toothfairy will save this country.

We are off topic. If you care to continure this in a rational way please respond via frmail.
45 posted on 01/23/2004 7:41:28 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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To: quidnunc
"Right, destroy a bunch of small businesses, make a bunch of inocent people unemployed and bugger up the economy."

So you're assuming no one would buy these businesses? So you're blessing illegal activities to make money? Do you approve of selling crack and heroin also?
46 posted on 01/23/2004 7:42:31 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: DMCA
I don't debate on email.

Neither of us will change our point of view, so there's reason to debate it anywhere.

47 posted on 01/23/2004 7:42:42 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: quidnunc
The reason the bill is likely DOA in Congress is BECAUSE a lot of us got "hot and bothered" about it. Phone calls to Republican congressional offices were overwhelmingly against the Bush proposal. GOP fundraising dollars dropped because of donor opposition.

That's why the Bush proposal is headed downhill. If we hadn't got "hot & bothered", the congressional Republicans would assume the GOP rank and file have no problem with the bill and likely would pass it.

Imagine a tax increase that dies in committee because of outraged public opposition. Would you tell the taxpayers to calm down, on the grounds that the proposal is DOA? Without the outrage, it wouldn't be DOA!
48 posted on 01/23/2004 7:45:23 PM PST by puroresu
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To: quidnunc
Kinda like Campaign Finance Reform.

I will vote for Bush but relish saying NO when the RNC calls for money.
49 posted on 01/23/2004 7:48:21 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: sinkspur
You do not have a point of view. You exist on your false understanding of law that you spout as fact (even if you haven't read the law in question) and your hope that people who have been shown not to act in your best interest will magically begin to.

To put it simply, you think you know everything even when you do not and you spot of about things you haven't even researched. I expect such behavior from a /. poster, A DU'er or a Yahoo stock boards poster but I thought I could expect better for you. It appears that I was incorrect.
50 posted on 01/23/2004 7:48:39 PM PST by DMCA (TITLE 17 Chapter 1 Sec 107)
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