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To: papertyger
"Those that didn't support him were not in active opposition for the most part. Those that did oppose him were ineffectual."

They died.

Your analogy then makes every single American complicit in the murder of one million unborn children every year, as those who do oppose the genocide, are ineffectually and unable to stop it.

"I think all Americans, with their melting-pot sensibilities, would love for you to produce these millions of Moslems vehemently condemning Moslem extremism, and terrorism."

If you hide from the truth, it can't find you. I found the pictures, letters, and press releases on Muslims around the world gathering in support of America in the aftermath of 9/11, you did not because you failed to look for them.

"Your really are going to have to explain the logical somersaults you use to arrive at the notion "that all Germans pursued absolute genocide" is required to prove the German state, as a world power, actively pursued the policy. It's a matter of history."

My point is exactly the opposite, my point being that because a portion of the German people pursued "absolute genocide", it did not mean that ALL German people pursues absolute genocide, anymore than all Muslims seek to murder non-Muslims.

"I like how Daniel Pipes put it; declaring a war on terrorism in response to 911 is like declaring a war on sneak-attacks in response to Pearl Harbor."

I've listened to Daniel Pipes, and he and I are in absolute agreement on one thing, the enemy is Islamic extremism, he uses the term Islamist to differentiate the extremists from the other 90%+ of Muslims around the world, and Pipes has no more of a clue on what course of action to take, other than the one being taken today, he also acknowledges that the problem is not Islam, but the way it is being interpreted by extremists currently.

From Pipes website:

"If the Koran causes terrorism, then how does one explain the 1960s, when militant Islamic violence barely existed? The Koran was the same text then as now. More broadly, over a period of 14 centuries, Muslims have been inspired by the Koran to act in ways aggressive and passive, pious and not, tolerant and not. Logic demands that one look elsewhere than an immutable text to account for such shifts"

That "elsewhere" takes you directly to the House of Saud, and the rise of Wahabbism.

Funny that you should offer up communism, a war that we won without having to frontally engage an enemy, but was defeated by the power of ideas.

Same situation here.

papertyger is a perfect name for you.

112 posted on 01/24/2004 9:50:21 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Funny that you should offer up communism, a war that we won without having to frontally engage an enemy, but was defeated by the power of ideas.

Korea. Vietnam. Proxy wars in Afghanistan and Nicaragua. The list goes on.

The war against the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ended when we forced them to spend so much money on armaments that their economy finally collapsed.

The only "idea" factor that created victory, is that a market economy is much more productive than a command economy. They could not keep up.

The war against radical Islam will be won when we collapse the economies of Saudi and the rest to the point where they can no longer fund actions against us

141 posted on 01/25/2004 9:43:46 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Your analogy then makes every single American complicit in the murder of one million unborn children every year, as those who do oppose the genocide, are ineffectually and unable to stop it.

That is true.

If you hide from the truth, it can't find you. I found the pictures, letters, and press releases on Muslims around the world gathering in support of America in the aftermath of 9/11, you did not because you failed to look for them.

Why would you have to go looking for the truth if it weren't hiding?

My point is exactly the opposite, my point being that because a portion of the German people pursued "absolute genocide", it did not mean that ALL German people pursues absolute genocide, anymore than all Muslims seek to murder non-Muslims.

No one said all German people pursued genocide, but they did ignore it.

If the Koran causes terrorism, then how does one explain the 1960s, when militant Islamic violence barely existed?

Funding.

That "elsewhere" takes you directly to the House of Saud, and the rise of Wahabbism.

So the new militancy if the fault of a guy that died before the turn of the last century?

Funny that you should offer up communism, a war that we won without having to frontally engage an enemy, but was defeated by the power of ideas. Same situation here.

Only in the sense that the consequence of those ideas was formation of a tangible military machine that could not be overcome.

papertyger is a perfect name for you.

"A boy named Sue" was already taken.

165 posted on 01/25/2004 3:27:34 PM PST by papertyger ("YAIRnnnnnnnn!" - The Predator)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If the Koran causes terrorism, then how does one explain the 1960s, when militant Islamic violence barely existed?

Hey Sherlock!

Any idea what a hudna is? (It seems Hamas is proposing another as I type.)

ML/NJ

206 posted on 01/25/2004 5:28:13 PM PST by ml/nj
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