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Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Four-Point Plan for Immigration Control
The Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus ^

Posted on 01/24/2004 8:50:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Rep. Tom Tancredo’s Four-Point Plan for Immigration Control

The United States has lost control over its immigration policy. Over one million persons enter our nation illegally each year and we have antiquated and error-prone systems for knowing who our legal visitors are and for enforcing their visa time limits. Every poll shows that over 75% of citizens support border security and strict enforcement of our immigration laws. They want our immigration policies fixed. Here is my four-point plan for achieving control of our borders and enforcing sensible immigration policies.

1. Secure our Nation’s Borders

2. Establish a Genuine Guest Worker Program

3. Improve “Interior Enforcement” of Immigration Laws

4. Remove Incentives for Illegal Immigration



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KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion; mexico; migrant; tancredoplan; tomtancredo; turass
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1 posted on 01/24/2004 8:50:57 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
Supposedly, Trancrepo is pandering. After all, once President Bush reforms immigration then the Congressman won't have much to gripe about and donations to his cause will fall.
2 posted on 01/24/2004 8:55:16 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Happy2BMe
Require illegal aliens already in the U.S. to first return home and apply for jobs through the legal processes.

BUMP!

Employers who hire illegal aliens should face stiff fines and tax penalties

AND long jail sentences!

3 posted on 01/24/2004 8:55:20 AM PST by jimkress (Save America from the tyranny of Republican/Democrat hegemony. Support the Constitution Party.)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; ...
This has "Paule Revere" written all over it. .
4 posted on 01/24/2004 8:59:08 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
This is a good program, tho' I don't know that it's that easy to stop illegal immigration at the border. The only thing I don't agree with is forcing those that have jobs to go back to apply for guest-worker status -- that seems unnecessaary and wastful to me.
5 posted on 01/24/2004 9:00:48 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Happy2BMe
Remove Incentives for Illegal Immigration

Absolutely! I like all of his points but this alone would help stem the flow.

az

6 posted on 01/24/2004 9:08:15 AM PST by Arizona
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To: Cultural Jihad
Looks suspiciously like the Bush proposal?

LOL!

7 posted on 01/24/2004 9:11:05 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: expatpat
This was just the summary version of the various bills that make up Tancredo's proposals on the issue. Though I'm not a fan of any guest worker program, Tancredo's is far superiour to that of Bush. Under Tancredo's aliens can only be in the USA for one year out of any two. Their U.S-born children do not get citizenship. They are subject to existing laws about non-immigrants, ie they have to have a residence outside the USA.

Tancredo's overall vision for migration is for a reduced influx. Bush's approach is pure pander, throwing open the nation to far higer migration levels, just for the chance of narrowing his losing margins among Hispanic voters.

8 posted on 01/24/2004 9:11:27 AM PST by dagnabbit (Tell Bush where to put his Amnesty, Mexico-Merger, and Global Labor Pool for US jobs - Vote Tancredo)
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To: Arizona
H.R. 3534 (introduced by Rep. Tom Tancredo)

Contact Tom Tancredo (R-Co), Chirman of the House Immigration Reform Caucus

Tancredo blasts immigration plan

Tancredo calls Bush plan 'dangerous'

Agencies Fearful Of Tancredo Plan


Illegals Are Destroying America - A Letter To Rep Tom Tancredo

Tom Tancredo on CBS and NBC Tonight:Immigration

Tancredo blasts immigration plan

Tancredo Scores Immigration Crisis

Colo. Rep. Tancredo flexes political muscle at fund raiser

Tancredo calls illegal immigration threat to U.S.

9 posted on 01/24/2004 9:13:12 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Yes it does:)

Tancredo's proposal, though not perfect is workable.
10 posted on 01/24/2004 9:15:30 AM PST by international american (support our troops...........................revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Tancredo's proposal look prettygood except using the military to police the bordrs. That's a violation of Posse Comitatus and it is also a serious misuse of the troops. Besides, a rifle squad is NOT trained to be a Border patrol agent. Otherwise, sanctions against those who hire illegals and the rest seem pretty cut and dried,
11 posted on 01/24/2004 9:18:55 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Happy2BMe
This is a good starting point. Next the conservatives should lay down the law to the Republican party and tell them we aren't going to stand for their policy to sell America to the lowest bidder.

If the Republicans don't listen -- leave the party. It is good that Tancredo is working within the party right now. But if they fluff him off - exit stage right.

12 posted on 01/24/2004 9:20:21 AM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98
"If the Republicans don't listen -- leave the party."

Bush Brings Back Big (And Expensive) Government
 

13 posted on 01/24/2004 9:28:37 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: gatorbait
Tancredo's plans need work. Advertise on the internet for agricultural workers before heading off to recruit in Mexico? There are a lot of drop-out hispanics kids here who could do those chili picking jobs --- but they aren't likely to look on the internet --- why not have recruiters required to recruit in the inner cities and low-income housing projects directly --- just like they do when they go to Mexico? Some low-income kids would work.
14 posted on 01/24/2004 9:35:33 AM PST by FITZ
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To: dagnabbit
Their U.S-born children do not get citizenship.

You would have to change the Constitution of the United States which states that any child born in the U.S. is an American citizen. (Not that I am against what you said.)

15 posted on 01/24/2004 9:37:04 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
"You would have to change the Constitution of the United States which states that any child born in the U.S. is an American citizen."

This is absolutely correct.

The Constitution will be amended either in Bush's administration or in the next administration (whoever that might be).

It needs to happen, for the sake of the Republic. Migrants come here illegally and fully rest on the "anchor baby" clause for eventual citizenship.

We are not talking only about anchor babies for Mexico, migrants from all over South America understand this critical flaw and loophole and have abused it for decades.

Allowing it to further erode citizenship rights is a crime on a national scale - thus the Constitution must be amended to prevent further degradation of citizenship.

16 posted on 01/24/2004 9:42:56 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: jimkress
Employers who hire illegal aliens should face stiff fines and tax penalties

Yes, Bush's proposal requires the same thing.... President Bush, January 7, 2004 - "There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone, for any employer violating these laws."

Everyone screaming about his guest worker proposal is completely ignoring that part of his statement.

17 posted on 01/24/2004 9:45:48 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: wirestripper; Cultural Jihad
Looks suspiciously like the Bush proposal?

Indeed it does...

18 posted on 01/24/2004 9:49:50 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Happy2BMe
There are many women who go the the U.S. to give birth so their child will have U.S. citizenship, then return to their country after giving birth. I do know personally of one case. These are generally people with means (cash). I am against this of course.
19 posted on 01/24/2004 9:52:52 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Happy2BMe
By the way, it is not easy to amend the constitution. it's a long process. After that, a majority of the states have to approve it. I don't recall if its 2/3ds or 3/4ths. There is also a time limit that states have to approve it.
20 posted on 01/24/2004 10:02:27 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: jimkress; expatpat; Arizona; Spiff; gatorbait; swampfox98; Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Mexican Army Incursions Into The United States
 

21 posted on 01/24/2004 10:03:31 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: FITZ
Fitz,not a bad idea. Let's see if it takes wing.
22 posted on 01/24/2004 10:08:17 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Happy2BMe
"When Rep. Tancredo sent a letter to the Mexican government, the Embassy in Washington, DC sent a curt response to his inquiry, implying that the troops were merely getting lost. Not a single U.S. law enforcement agent on the ground in the southwest has agreed with that explanation."

ROTFLMAO! If the Embassy is going to lie, at least make it plausible!!

23 posted on 01/24/2004 10:12:28 AM PST by international american (support our troops...........................revoke Hillary's visa!!)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
You would have to change the Constitution of the United States which states that any child born in the U.S. is an American citizen. (Not that I am against what you said.)

You're wrong. Don't worry, you have a lot of company!
24 posted on 01/24/2004 10:14:52 AM PST by motzman (Dubya, Rudy, and Rnold...I trust 'em!)
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To: motzman
If you were born in the United States but your parents were foreign diplomats (on assignment in the United States from another country) at the time of your birth, you are not a United States citizen.
25 posted on 01/24/2004 10:18:03 AM PST by motzman (Dubya, Rudy, and Rnold...I trust 'em!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Nice to have some alternate proposals to President Bush's proposed solution to the illegal alien problem. It seems rather obvious that this is how President Bush wants the solution to be implemented. He has provided a proposal, and now it is up to the Congress to debate the issue and come up with legislation.
26 posted on 01/24/2004 10:19:22 AM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Require illegal aliens already in the U.S. to first return home and apply for jobs through the legal processes.

Provide adequate resources to the “Detention and Removal” branch of the Bureau of Customs and Immigration Enforcement (BICE) to allow apprehension and removal of all criminal aliens.

Is there a difference between illegal aliens and criminal aliens. ?

27 posted on 01/24/2004 10:23:24 AM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: dagnabbit; FITZ
Tancredo's overall vision for migration is for a reduced influx. Bush's approach is pure pander, throwing open the nation to far higer migration levels, just for the chance of narrowing his losing margins among Hispanic voters.

I have the same take on Tancredo's proposal but would hope that the end objective is for a net outflow of Illegals--not a reduced influx. Also, like FITZ's idea of recruiting inner city kids to fill those Guest Worker jobs. Charity starts at home and it’s about time our government puts the interests of American Citizens and Legal Residents ahead of Foreign Nationals.

28 posted on 01/24/2004 10:28:03 AM PST by WRhine
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To: Happy2BMe
Tancredo has some good ideas, but they are based on the assumptions that illegals will leave on their own or be deported — I don't think so; or that a Constitutional Amendment or major controversial legislation will be passed in our lifetimes, if at all — I don't think so; or that there will be the needed bipartisan support to make it happen — I don't think so.

Since everybody has a plan, here's mine:

1. Do not exceed the bottom line for allotted number of immigrants entering the US:
Decrease the number of legal immigrants by subtracting the estimated number of illegal immigrants annually. The bottom line is maintained. Both political parties can agree.

2. Amnesties can be handled in the same way at no increase in the size/cost of government:
If ten million illegal immigrants are given amnesty, decrease legal immigration across the board by ten million. Potential immigrants from France, Somolia, Paraguay, Uganda, Holland, Zimbabwe, Haiti, Lappland, etc will have to wait longer or miss out completely. The affected countries can argue it out with the offending countries with little or no US involvement. Both political parties can agree. Lawyers may be the big losers.

3. Border control:
Fast track border control to seriously reduce illegal immigration and minimize the need for future amnesties. If necessary, add a military (guard) component to the Dept. of Homeland Security. To keep down the cost, consider rotating, via detail or TAD, selected active military/reserve/guard units to that agency as necessary under the heading of "border control training". Any additional costs incurred may be offset after implementing Steps 1 and 2 above.

29 posted on 01/24/2004 10:46:55 AM PST by Consort
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To: Tamsey
"Everyone screaming about his guest worker proposal is completely ignoring that part of his statement."

It's been three years. The migrant invasion is stronger than it was in January, 2001.

That is not progress, it is digression.

30 posted on 01/24/2004 10:56:44 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
There is also a time limit that states have to approve it.

This is only true if the proposed amendment provides for it. The 27th amendment, regarding legislative compensation, had no such limit. It was actually passed to the states for ratification along with the original Bill of Rights, in 1789. It sat in limbo for many years before final ratification in 1992. There are several more amendments in such a suspended state. They continue to await approval by 3/4 of the states (38), and they will not go away... without a Constitutional Amendment.

31 posted on 01/24/2004 10:59:08 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Happy2BMe
It's been three years? Sorry, it hasn't even been three weeks since he made that statement about cracking down on employers. He even began this prior to his proposal, it's voluntary now but the structure is being put into place.

"President Bush signs workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1037329/posts



As far as Bush having been in office three years so far, of course... obviously Bush has been sitting in the hot tub, watching soaps and eating bon-bons.
32 posted on 01/24/2004 11:06:49 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Tamsey
The migrant invasion has negatively impacted the U.S. economy every bit as much as 9/11.

Why wait so long to bring it up?

33 posted on 01/24/2004 11:14:42 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: MainFrame65
Fascinating.
34 posted on 01/24/2004 11:15:43 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
I think his plan is missing a key element....that is ceasing all forms of welfare style assistance to these people except for emergencies. This is key to forcing employers to offer a livable wage to everyone, not just illegals. As long as most employers know that the taxpayers will be socked with supplementing their workers living expenses wages will continue to be very low and probably heading lower.
35 posted on 01/24/2004 11:20:05 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: international american
How far do you think Tancredo's plan will go if Bush isn't re-elected?
36 posted on 01/24/2004 11:22:32 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: american spirit
"As long as most employers know that the taxpayers will be socked with supplementing their workers living expenses wages will continue to be very low and probably heading lower."

And you can take that to the bank. The wages of Americans are going down, the wages of Mexicans are going up, and when they level off, the border between Mexico and the United States will have ceased to exist.

37 posted on 01/24/2004 11:23:06 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
The Constitution will be amended either in Bush's administration or in the next administration (whoever that might be).

Uh, no it won't. There's even some doubt as to whether 38 states would pass a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.

There are lots of far righties who don't want ANY additional amendments to the Constitution.

38 posted on 01/24/2004 11:23:49 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Happy2BMe
The migrant invasion has negatively impacted the U.S. economy every bit as much as 9/11.

Why wait so long to bring it up?

Oh I have faith in the Bush's fellow globalist Democrats. I'm sure they could make it even worse.


39 posted on 01/24/2004 11:27:41 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: dagnabbit
Actually, there is little difference between them. The President advanced a general outline, not specific legislative proposals, and most of the principles he voiced are similar to the Tancredo proposals. Some of the Tancredo plan is unrealistic. For instance, they SHOULD get driver licenses, but they ought to be different from permanent resident licenses and expire when legal presence does. And returning to Mexico in order to obtain temporary legal status is unworkable. In addition, his border patrol proposal is far too little, and the use of the Army is against the law. And the "year in, year out" will not be tempting enough to stem the flow of illegals.

He needs to stop taking potshots at the President and actually communicate - and collaborate - with him on realistic proposals. One of the most important changes needed is a Constitutional Amendment to prevent automatic citizenship for children of illegal AND TEMPORARY residents, which will likely take years to enact. And it will do nothing about the thousands already here.
40 posted on 01/24/2004 11:29:26 AM PST by MainFrame65
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To: Happy2BMe
Yep, and as FTAA unfolds...welcome to the AU (American Union...from Canada to S. America). One question though, what happens to our Constitution, legal system, and local governance through city/county gov't? Are we headed to regional gov't's. throughout the AU? If you're living in Texas (aka 'New Aztlan') as I do, will our seat of gov't. someday be in Mex. City? I think folks need to project down the road on this issue and I mean REAL FAST!
41 posted on 01/24/2004 11:29:30 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Their U.S-born children do not get citizenship. You would have to change the Constitution of the United States which states that any child born in the U.S. is an American citizen. (Not that I am against what you said.)

Not so. Prior to the XIII Amedndment, the children of slaves were not citizens, but additional property.

-archy-/-

42 posted on 01/24/2004 11:29:34 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Why wait so long to bring it up?

Perhaps his attention has been focused on trimming his toenails since he took office?

Or maybe focused on the enormous tax cuts, 9/11, the War on Terror, rooting out Muslim extremists terror cells here, repairing the FBI/CIA and building a cooperative effort from all our agencies into the Homeland Security Dept, preventing further terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda, international diplomacy against Europe, the U.N. and every Socialist and Communist organization on the planet, affirmative action, campaigning for GOP candidates in 2002 so we could take over Congress by a paper-slim majority, working to put conservative judges on the bench, reversing greenie environmental regulation, ....... to name a few items I've noticed on his calender lately.

The single issue pro-lifer conservatives also felt Bush took too long to bring up PBA.

43 posted on 01/24/2004 11:30:51 AM PST by Tamzee (W '04..... America may not survive a Democrat at this point in our history....)
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To: Cultural Jihad
[ Supposedly, Trancrepo is pandering. After all, once President Bush reforms immigration then the Congressman won't have much to gripe about and donations to his cause will fall. ]

Hmmmmmm.. whos the wildest eyed dreamer.?....
Trancredo or Cultural Jihad... Damn... hard choice..

NAH!.. its still Al Gore..

44 posted on 01/24/2004 11:31:18 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: american spirit; Barnacle
"Are we headed to regional gov't's. throughout the AU? If you're living in Texas (aka 'New Aztlan') as I do, will our seat of gov't. someday be in Mex. City?"

ANSWER: If status quo is any indication of future events and the Mexican and South American nations's migrant invasion is not stopped at the border > > > YES.

Mexican governors meet at border to discuss U.S. immigration proposals
 

45 posted on 01/24/2004 11:35:50 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: MainFrame65
Actually, there is little difference between them.

Of course there's not.

He needs to stop taking potshots at the President and actually communicate - and collaborate - with him on realistic proposals.

If Tancredo were serious, that's what he'd do.

But, then, the howler monkeys who follow him around would dump him like a hot potato, and he'd cease to be a minor personality in the conservative underground.

46 posted on 01/24/2004 11:36:18 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Their U.S-born children do not get citizenship. You would have to change the Constitution of the United States which states that any child born in the U.S. is an American citizen. (Not that I am against what you said.)

If the parents are illegal alien felons, the children should not grow up under the criminal influence of their parents in any event. They can leave the country with their parents, with a lifetime renuunciation and revocation of US citizenship, or they can remain here, to be raised by foster families as abandoned infants/children, to perhaps later serve as border guards well-suited to keeping the illegals back on their side of the fence.

The more such we get abandoned on our national doorstep, the stronger the defense of our southern border becomes. Eventually, the problem corrects itself.

-archy-/-

47 posted on 01/24/2004 11:36:47 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Tamsey; Barnacle
"The single issue pro-lifer conservatives also felt Bush took too long to bring up PBA."

Single issues are considered important to certain segments of Americans . .

Notice the "replacement" numbers of Americans already living in the U.S. from the 1970's going steadily down while Americans born outside the U.S. skyrocketing for the remainder of the 21st Century.

Here’s another reason for the decline in U.S.-Born Americans . .

48 posted on 01/24/2004 11:40:16 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Bingo....have we fallen so far that our fedgov even gives a rata$$ about what that collection of crooks, misfits, drug-dealers, etc. is going to demand regarding open borders? It probably looked like the bar scene from one of the Star Wars movies.
49 posted on 01/24/2004 11:41:40 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
Illegals are not subject to our jurisdiction, recognizing them as legal workers would convey that status upon them.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

50 posted on 01/24/2004 11:45:00 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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