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Mexican Army Incursions Into The United States
The Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus ^

Posted on 01/24/2004 9:54:01 AM PST by Happy2BMe

Incursions

During his travels along the border, Rep. Tancredo learned that the Mexican Army and Law Enforcement Agencies routinely make "incursions" into the U.S. A total of 23 were confirmed by the U.S. government in 2001, and there have been over 115 since 1996. The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers.

When Rep. Tancredo sent a letter to the Mexican government, the Embassy in Washington, DC sent a curt response to his inquiry, implying that the troops were merely getting lost. Not a single U.S. law enforcement agent on the ground in the southwest has agreed with that explanation.

Rep. Tancredo’s office has begun documenting new incursions as they take place. Most recently, two disturbing incursions have taken place. On May 17th, a Mexican Army unit led an incursion near Ajo, Arizona that ended with a shot being fired at a Border Patrol Agent. The agent was not hurt, but had two of his vehicle’s windows shot out. On June 14th, the Mexican Army opened fire (with high-powered .308 rifles) on a vehicle with 20 people packed into it. Six of the passengers were injured, two critically.

Despite Rep. Tancredo’s efforts to draw attention to them, each incident received only spotty coverage. You can read the accounts of each incident by following these links:

May 17th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020513-27549872.htm http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020523-865103.htm

June 14th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020615-91529269.htm

The issue of incursions needs to be confronted by the U.S. government before a catastrophic incident involving the loss of life occurs. If you have specific information about an incursion by Mexican military or law enforcement, please contact Rep. Tancredo’s office at (202) 225-7882 or tom.tancredo@mail.house.gov. You will remain anonymous.



TOPICS: Extended News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; immigrantlist; incursions; invasion; mexicanarmy; mexico; reconquista
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Incursions.
1 posted on 01/24/2004 9:54:02 AM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; ...
Somebody was mentioning borders . .
2 posted on 01/24/2004 9:56:03 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
This amnesty was the worst idea of bad ideas.
3 posted on 01/24/2004 9:57:38 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Happy2BMe
Yet another reason to be grateful to Tom Tancredo, the one member of Congress who seems to take US sovereignty seriously.
4 posted on 01/24/2004 9:59:36 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: MegaSilver
Since America's elite is showing weakness to a degree that Jimmy Carter could only imagine, I look for the Mexican army to be participating in hits on the ranchers who object to the flow of illegals and drugs within a couple of years. As Travis McGee says the Southwest is our Kosovo.
5 posted on 01/24/2004 10:01:50 AM PST by junta
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To: Happy2BMe
"Borders? We don't need no stinkeeen borders."

-Karl Rove in 2006....
6 posted on 01/24/2004 10:04:25 AM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Happy2BMe
from another thread today:

"95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in L.A., which total 1,200 to 1,500, target illegal aliens and up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

"A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex DRUG-DISTRIBUTION schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064086/posts
7 posted on 01/24/2004 10:04:33 AM PST by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Happy2BMe; Poohbah
Poohbah,

I gather the Rep disagrees with your sources?

Or just about Chinese involvement?

8 posted on 01/24/2004 10:08:22 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Happy2BMe
Wasn't this the reason for the 2nd amendment? To protect against enemy incursion?
9 posted on 01/24/2004 10:10:11 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Quix
What Is Considered An Illegal Activity Under Immigration Law?

Here are some examples of the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:

Examples:

(This is not a complete list of violations.)


10 posted on 01/24/2004 10:10:16 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Capture if possible.
Kill if necessary.
Interrogate as much as possible.
"Lose" them in some pit of a cell somewhere afterwards.
Play dumb when Mexico asks where they are.
Ask them to cough up the convicted murderers they harbor, as well as no longer sending troops over.
Word it something like, "If you don't stop sending them into US territory, they WILL begin to disappear."
11 posted on 01/24/2004 10:10:32 AM PST by Darksheare (Ignore the man behind the tagline!)
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To: Congressman Billybob; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Ping.
12 posted on 01/24/2004 10:13:08 AM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: Happy2BMe
"failing to complete and maintain immigration Form I-9 for all new employees, whether citizens or aliens ".. found this re I-9.. thought it interesting

I-9 Loopholes

13 posted on 01/24/2004 10:15:57 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe
I see nothing documenting these allegations.

Mexican military invading the U.S.?

I would think the remaining dwarves would be all over this, were it true, and GWB would be toast.

14 posted on 01/24/2004 10:18:04 AM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: Zipporah
Wasn't this the reason for the 2nd amendment? To protect against enemy incursion?

I think we should look into a draft for the National Guard.

15 posted on 01/24/2004 10:23:31 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: G.Mason
I would think the remaining dwarves would be all over this, were it true, and GWB would be toast.

National security has not been the Democrats' strong suit since JFK.

16 posted on 01/24/2004 10:24:29 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver
I agree.. I certainly hope my statement about the 2nd amendment wasn't misunderstood. There wasn't provision for military protection and protection from incursion was from the people protecting the borders. The National Guard is needed to protect the border against a foreign military force on US soil.
17 posted on 01/24/2004 10:28:07 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe
'Incursions'.

No, invasion of sovereign territory, and repeated acts of war by firing at American citizens. What in God's name is wrong with Bush and the rest of those people in Washington? However the ranchers down there want to handle it, I'll stand behind them.

18 posted on 01/24/2004 10:28:52 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: Quix
Do Mexican Army units cross into the US?

Yes.

Sometimes they're chasing Zapatista supporters into the US. It's worth noting that the border is extremely poorly marked in eastern Arizona.

Sometimes they're escorting drug smugglers.

As for the claims of ChiCom involvement...that rumor has been floating around like a turd in the punchbowl, for FIFTY YEARS.

And it's also worth noting that there were "Germans in Mexico" invasion scares well before the Zimmermann Telegram affair.
19 posted on 01/24/2004 10:29:31 AM PST by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man" -- John Dryden)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
20 posted on 01/24/2004 10:37:18 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Zipporah
"I certainly hope my statement about the 2nd amendment wasn't misunderstood. There wasn't provision for military protection and protection from incursion was from the people protecting the borders. The National Guard is needed to protect the border against a foreign military force on US soil."

No, the National Guard is a FEDERAL force, which we DON'T want to have arrest powers. What is needed is what the 2nd Amendment calls for: The Citizen's Militia. Situations like this are what it is designed for. By using the Guard and the 2nd Amendment together like that is the position of the left. No thank you.

And calling for a draft is the most idiotic knee-jerk reaction I've heard yet on this subject.

21 posted on 01/24/2004 10:40:33 AM PST by 11B3 (Let's get as much of our nation back as we can in 2004.)
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To: 11B3
I understand that the National Guard is a federal force. I am not saying that the people should give up their 2nd amendment rights.. I just didn't there to be a misunderstanding that I was saying.

May I ask what is your solution to 'enemy incursion' if in fact this is happening?

22 posted on 01/24/2004 10:46:15 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: MegaSilver
"National security has not been the Democrats' strong suit since JFK."

While I agree, that is not the point.

The dims would be all over this like bee's on honey!

Hell, the entire country would go ballistic.

Let's see some proof of these accusations.

23 posted on 01/24/2004 10:49:38 AM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: Happy2BMe

Oh Black Jack… Where art thou now?

General John J. Pershing

24 posted on 01/24/2004 10:52:18 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Viking2002
"What in God's name is wrong with Bush and the rest of those people in Washington?"

What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?

25 posted on 01/24/2004 10:52:48 AM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: Poohbah
THANKS for the good-as-usual education.

Still sounds like a LOT of incursions even for those stated reasons--though the drug part could count for a huge chunk.

Wellllllllll, there WERE Germans in Mexico at the time!

Didn't realize the history was that long--at what frequences in what decades, I wonder.

Thanks again.
26 posted on 01/24/2004 10:56:20 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Happy2BMe
Sobering.

But evidently not enough so to our 'fearless' leaders.
27 posted on 01/24/2004 10:56:59 AM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Barnacle

Oh Black Jack… Where art thou now?

Funny you should ask . .



George Bush . . . please return the skull of Pancho Villa


28 posted on 01/24/2004 11:03:10 AM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: G.Mason
Mexican military invading the U.S.?

It's no secret that many Mexican military have been sent to the border --- the border is crawling with them. I'm sure it's just as easy for them to cross over to the USA side doing whatever it is they're doing. They approach illegals camped out on the Mexican side, they try to find Guatemalans, they look for drugs. I don't think there is any doubt about them invading the USA side --- and that's what it is because if the FBI agents go into Mexico even in hot pursuit, even when dragged over to be killed, the Mexican government calls that an invasion.

29 posted on 01/24/2004 11:14:15 AM PST by FITZ
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To: G.Mason
What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?

Talk to any border patrol agent. Even the illegals themselves will tell you there are Mexican military up to something along the border.

30 posted on 01/24/2004 11:16:28 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Happy2BMe
The skull of the legendary Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa was stolen by the "Soldier of Fortune" Emil L. Holmdahl at the request of Prescott Bush, George's grandpa, and is now on display at the headquarters of the "Skull and Bones" society called "The Tomb" located at Yale University. Prescott Bush paid Emil Holmdahl $25,000 for the stolen skull in 1926. Prescott Bush, George Bush Sr. and George Bush Jr., are all members of the secret society.

This explains everything!

Hey Bush... Give them their damned skull back!

31 posted on 01/24/2004 11:18:15 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Happy2BMe
BTW, In case it isn't clear, "Black Jack" was Pershing's nickname.
32 posted on 01/24/2004 11:20:43 AM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was." JPII)
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To: Beck_isright
"Borders? We don't need no stinkeeen borders." -Karl Rove in 2006....

"You will never darken the doors of the White House again" - Karl Rove to Tom Tancredo, 2002

33 posted on 01/24/2004 11:25:01 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: G.Mason; Happy2BMe
Proof? The following is posted on the NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES site:

Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate
U.S. agents are fired on at border
Mexico officers released after crossing border
Shootout is narrowly averted in Nogales City officers, soldiers from Mexico face off for one tense moment

34 posted on 01/24/2004 11:28:01 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Mr. Mojo
"You will never darken the doors of the White House again" - Karl Rove to Tom Tancredo, 2002".. I have heard this.. where did Rove make this statement?
35 posted on 01/24/2004 11:34:07 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe
I still dont understand why we dont burn a mile wide strip on their side and put a string of snipers on our side...
36 posted on 01/24/2004 11:39:03 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: Zipporah
In a personal phone call to Tancredo, if I recall correctly.
37 posted on 01/24/2004 11:39:31 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Thanks..
38 posted on 01/24/2004 11:41:39 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: G.Mason
The eyewitness accounts of whole passel of PO'd ranchers and Border Patrol agents. I suppose you'd like to call them all liars?
39 posted on 01/24/2004 11:42:10 AM PST by Viking2002
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To: Happy2BMe
Tancredo bttt.
40 posted on 01/24/2004 11:56:18 AM PST by lodwick (Wake up, America!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Moving target practice for Texan Patriots!
41 posted on 01/24/2004 11:59:28 AM PST by winker
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To: Poohbah
The border is poorly marked in New Mexico & probably California too, (I haven't been along the CA border). Texas has the Rio Grande River but that doesn't stop them.
42 posted on 01/24/2004 12:05:55 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Poohbah
It's worth noting that the border is extremely poorly marked in eastern Arizona.

No it is not. Even some of the most poorly equipped military units on the planet have GPS gear. That is some unbelievably feeble defense of this nonsense.

43 posted on 01/24/2004 12:52:03 PM PST by eskimo
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To: MegaSilver
If it's foreign military making these incursions, doesn't that then invoke the Constitution's requirement that the Federal government protect the states from invasion, and avoid the whole Posse Comitatus issue?
44 posted on 01/24/2004 1:00:26 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: G.Mason
"What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?"

Obviously you watch CNN. O'Reilly has documented and interviewed the Border Patrol reports of their SUV's being shot up with .50 caliber from the Mexican military. Leave Paula Zahn alone and start paying attention...
45 posted on 01/24/2004 1:11:49 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Viking2002
"The eyewitness accounts of whole passel of PO'd ranchers and Border Patrol agents. I suppose you'd like to call them all liars?"

Got a bug up your butt, don't take it out on me.

I simply asked for proof.

Not some "passel" of errant Mexicali coppers, but the Mexican military invading our soverign soil.

I don't support any foreigners illegally entering this country, and would suggest if Mexican troops or cops enter they should be shot on the spot.

Again I ask to see prooof of this. So far it has not been evidenced.

46 posted on 01/24/2004 1:17:12 PM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: FITZ
"Talk to any border patrol agent. Even the illegals themselves will tell you there are Mexican military up to something along the border."

Well, that's all the proof I need.

Thanks for clearing that up.

47 posted on 01/24/2004 1:19:20 PM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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To: G.Mason
Try this link as a starting point. I believe there are also some articles here on FR.
48 posted on 01/24/2004 1:26:38 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: G.Mason
Have you ever once talked with a border patrol agent who works along the Mexican border? You'd be surprised. Unless you think they're all liars.
49 posted on 01/24/2004 1:29:03 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Zipporah
Proof? The following is posted on the NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES site: Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate U.S. agents are fired on at border Mexico officers released after crossing border Shootout is narrowly averted in Nogales City officers, soldiers from Mexico face off for one tense moment =======================================================================

None of this suggests we have been invaded by Mexican military.

In the "tunnels"?

Possibly Mexican troops?

Look, I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the immigration problem.

What I am saying is that if the Mexican military sets foot on American soil, without express approval by the government of the United States, we have an invasion.

They should be shot and killed.

50 posted on 01/24/2004 1:34:25 PM PST by G.Mason ("The secret to success is knowing who to blame for your failures" - Old Democrat saying)
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