Mexican Army Incursions Into The United States

The Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus ^

[Happy2BMe]

Incursions

During his travels along the border, Rep. Tancredo learned that the Mexican Army and Law Enforcement Agencies routinely make "incursions" into the U.S. A total of 23 were confirmed by the U.S. government in 2001, and there have been over 115 since 1996. The purpose of these incursions is not totally understood, but U.S. officials have speculated that they are designed to help facilitate the flow of illegal drugs into America, either by creating a diversion or by providing cover for the traffickers.

When Rep. Tancredo sent a letter to the Mexican government, the Embassy in Washington, DC sent a curt response to his inquiry, implying that the troops were merely getting lost. Not a single U.S. law enforcement agent on the ground in the southwest has agreed with that explanation.

Rep. Tancredo’s office has begun documenting new incursions as they take place. Most recently, two disturbing incursions have taken place. On May 17^th, a Mexican Army unit led an incursion near Ajo, Arizona that ended with a shot being fired at a Border Patrol Agent. The agent was not hurt, but had two of his vehicle’s windows shot out. On June 14^th, the Mexican Army opened fire (with high-powered .308 rifles) on a vehicle with 20 people packed into it. Six of the passengers were injured, two critically.

Despite Rep. Tancredo’s efforts to draw attention to them, each incident received only spotty coverage. You can read the accounts of each incident by following these links:

May 17^th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020513-27549872.htm http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020523-865103.htm

June 14^th Incursion:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020615-91529269.htm

The issue of incursions needs to be confronted by the U.S. government before a catastrophic incident involving the loss of life occurs. If you have specific information about an incursion by Mexican military or law enforcement, please contact Rep. Tancredo’s office at (202) 225-7882 or tom.tancredo@mail.house.gov. You will remain anonymous.

[Happy2BMe]

Incursions.

[Happy2BMe]

Somebody was mentioning borders . .

[MegaSilver]

This amnesty was the worst idea of bad ideas.

[Right Wing Professor]

Yet another reason to be grateful to Tom Tancredo, the one member of Congress who seems to take US sovereignty seriously.

[junta]

Since America's elite is showing weakness to a degree that Jimmy Carter could only imagine, I look for the Mexican army to be participating in hits on the ranchers who object to the flow of illegals and drugs within a couple of years. As Travis McGee says the Southwest is our Kosovo.

[Beck_isright]

"Borders? We don't need no stinkeeen borders."

-Karl Rove in 2006....

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

from another thread today:

"95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in L.A., which total 1,200 to 1,500, target illegal aliens and up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."

"A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex DRUG-DISTRIBUTION schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064086/posts

[Quix]

Poohbah,

I gather the Rep disagrees with your sources?

Or just about Chinese involvement?

[Zipporah]

Wasn't this the reason for the 2nd amendment? To protect against enemy incursion?

[Happy2BMe]

What Is Considered An Illegal Activity Under Immigration Law?

Here are some examples of the most common violations of United States Immigration laws:

Examples:

(This is not a complete list of violations.)

• filing false statements on applications or petitions
• making a false claim that you are a United States citizen
• making, altering or using counterfeit immigration documents
• making, altering or using counterfeit documents to support immigration applications or petitions
• failing to report the arrival of illegal aliens
• assisting or encouraging aliens to come to the United States in violation of the law
• harboring an illegal alien
• knowingly employing aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States
• recruiting or referring for a fee aliens who do not have permission to work in the United States
• failing to complete and maintain immigration Form I-9 for all new employees, whether citizens or aliens
• failing to depart the United States when ordered removed (deported)
• entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place which is not authorized
• attempting to enter the United States by misrepresenting (lying about) material facts
• entering into a marriage to circumvent the immigration laws
• entering or attempting to enter the United States without permission after having been removed (deported)
• assisting an alien to enter the United States for prostitution or other immoral purposes

[Darksheare]

Capture if possible.
Kill if necessary.
Interrogate as much as possible.
"Lose" them in some pit of a cell somewhere afterwards.
Play dumb when Mexico asks where they are.
Ask them to cough up the convicted murderers they harbor, as well as no longer sending troops over.
Word it something like, "If you don't stop sending them into US territory, they WILL begin to disappear."

[Lucy Lake]

Ping.

[Zipporah]

"failing to complete and maintain immigration Form I-9 for all new employees, whether citizens or aliens ".. found this re I-9.. thought it interesting

I-9 Loopholes

[G.Mason]

I see nothing documenting these allegations.

Mexican military invading the U.S.?

I would think the remaining dwarves would be all over this, were it true, and GWB would be toast.

[MegaSilver]

Wasn't this the reason for the 2nd amendment? To protect against enemy incursion?

I think we should look into a draft for the National Guard.

[MegaSilver]

I would think the remaining dwarves would be all over this, were it true, and GWB would be toast.

National security has not been the Democrats' strong suit since JFK.

[Zipporah]

I agree.. I certainly hope my statement about the 2nd amendment wasn't misunderstood. There wasn't provision for military protection and protection from incursion was from the people protecting the borders. The National Guard is needed to protect the border against a foreign military force on US soil.

[Viking2002]

'Incursions'.

No, invasion of sovereign territory, and repeated acts of war by firing at American citizens. What in God's name is wrong with Bush and the rest of those people in Washington? However the ranchers down there want to handle it, I'll stand behind them.

[Poohbah]

Do Mexican Army units cross into the US?

Yes.

Sometimes they're chasing Zapatista supporters into the US. It's worth noting that the border is extremely poorly marked in eastern Arizona.

Sometimes they're escorting drug smugglers.

As for the claims of ChiCom involvement...that rumor has been floating around like a turd in the punchbowl, for FIFTY YEARS.

And it's also worth noting that there were "Germans in Mexico" invasion scares well before the Zimmermann Telegram affair.

[gubamyster]

ping

[11B3]

"I certainly hope my statement about the 2nd amendment wasn't misunderstood. There wasn't provision for military protection and protection from incursion was from the people protecting the borders. The National Guard is needed to protect the border against a foreign military force on US soil."

No, the National Guard is a FEDERAL force, which we DON'T want to have arrest powers. What is needed is what the 2nd Amendment calls for: The Citizen's Militia. Situations like this are what it is designed for. By using the Guard and the 2nd Amendment together like that is the position of the left. No thank you.

And calling for a draft is the most idiotic knee-jerk reaction I've heard yet on this subject.

[Zipporah]

I understand that the National Guard is a federal force. I am not saying that the people should give up their 2nd amendment rights.. I just didn't there to be a misunderstanding that I was saying.

May I ask what is your solution to 'enemy incursion' if in fact this is happening?

[G.Mason]

"National security has not been the Democrats' strong suit since JFK."

While I agree, that is not the point.

The dims would be all over this like bee's on honey!

Hell, the entire country would go ballistic.

Let's see some proof of these accusations.

[Barnacle]

Oh Black Jack… Where art thou now?

General John J. Pershing

[G.Mason]

"What in God's name is wrong with Bush and the rest of those people in Washington?"

What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?

[Quix]

THANKS for the good-as-usual education.

Still sounds like a LOT of incursions even for those stated reasons--though the drug part could count for a huge chunk.

Wellllllllll, there WERE Germans in Mexico at the time!

Didn't realize the history was that long--at what frequences in what decades, I wonder.

Thanks again.

[Quix]

Sobering.

But evidently not enough so to our 'fearless' leaders.

[Happy2BMe]

Oh Black Jack… Where art thou now?

Funny you should ask . .

George Bush . . . please return the skull of Pancho Villa

[FITZ]

Mexican military invading the U.S.?

It's no secret that many Mexican military have been sent to the border --- the border is crawling with them. I'm sure it's just as easy for them to cross over to the USA side doing whatever it is they're doing. They approach illegals camped out on the Mexican side, they try to find Guatemalans, they look for drugs. I don't think there is any doubt about them invading the USA side --- and that's what it is because if the FBI agents go into Mexico even in hot pursuit, even when dragged over to be killed, the Mexican government calls that an invasion.

[FITZ]

What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?

Talk to any border patrol agent. Even the illegals themselves will tell you there are Mexican military up to something along the border.

[Barnacle]

The skull of the legendary Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa was stolen by the "Soldier of Fortune" Emil L. Holmdahl at the request of Prescott Bush, George's grandpa, and is now on display at the headquarters of the "Skull and Bones" society called "The Tomb" located at Yale University. Prescott Bush paid Emil Holmdahl $25,000 for the stolen skull in 1926. Prescott Bush, George Bush Sr. and George Bush Jr., are all members of the secret society.

This explains everything!

Hey Bush... Give them their damned skull back!

[Barnacle]

BTW, In case it isn't clear, "Black Jack" was Pershing's nickname.

[Mr. Mojo]

"Borders? We don't need no stinkeeen borders." -Karl Rove in 2006....

"You will never darken the doors of the White House again" - Karl Rove to Tom Tancredo, 2002

[Zipporah]

Proof? The following is posted on the NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES site:

Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate
U.S. agents are fired on at border
Mexico officers released after crossing border
Shootout is narrowly averted in Nogales City officers, soldiers from Mexico face off for one tense moment

[Zipporah]

"You will never darken the doors of the White House again" - Karl Rove to Tom Tancredo, 2002".. I have heard this.. where did Rove make this statement?

[gnarledmaw]

I still dont understand why we dont burn a mile wide strip on their side and put a string of snipers on our side...

[Mr. Mojo]

In a personal phone call to Tancredo, if I recall correctly.

[Zipporah]

Thanks..

[Viking2002]

The eyewitness accounts of whole passel of PO'd ranchers and Border Patrol agents. I suppose you'd like to call them all liars?

[lodwick]

Tancredo bttt.

[winker]

Moving target practice for Texan Patriots!

[Ditter]

The border is poorly marked in New Mexico & probably California too, (I haven't been along the CA border). Texas has the Rio Grande River but that doesn't stop them.

[eskimo]

It's worth noting that the border is extremely poorly marked in eastern Arizona.

No it is not. Even some of the most poorly equipped military units on the planet have GPS gear. That is some unbelievably feeble defense of this nonsense.

[mvpel]

If it's foreign military making these incursions, doesn't that then invoke the Constitution's requirement that the Federal government protect the states from invasion, and avoid the whole Posse Comitatus issue?

[Beck_isright]

"What proof of this supposed action by Mexican military do you have?"

Obviously you watch CNN. O'Reilly has documented and interviewed the Border Patrol reports of their SUV's being shot up with .50 caliber from the Mexican military. Leave Paula Zahn alone and start paying attention...

[G.Mason]

"The eyewitness accounts of whole passel of PO'd ranchers and Border Patrol agents. I suppose you'd like to call them all liars?"

Got a bug up your butt, don't take it out on me.

I simply asked for proof.

Not some "passel" of errant Mexicali coppers, but the Mexican military invading our soverign soil.

I don't support any foreigners illegally entering this country, and would suggest if Mexican troops or cops enter they should be shot on the spot.

Again I ask to see prooof of this. So far it has not been evidenced.

[G.Mason]

"Talk to any border patrol agent. Even the illegals themselves will tell you there are Mexican military up to something along the border."

Well, that's all the proof I need.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Try this link as a starting point. I believe there are also some articles here on FR.

[FITZ]

Have you ever once talked with a border patrol agent who works along the Mexican border? You'd be surprised. Unless you think they're all liars.

[G.Mason]

Proof? The following is posted on the NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: AMERICAN FEDERATION OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES site: Border Patrol encounters Mexican soldiers Heavily armed foreign troopers on U.S. turf near Tecate U.S. agents are fired on at border Mexico officers released after crossing border Shootout is narrowly averted in Nogales City officers, soldiers from Mexico face off for one tense moment =======================================================================

None of this suggests we have been invaded by Mexican military.

In the "tunnels"?

Possibly Mexican troops?

Look, I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the immigration problem.

What I am saying is that if the Mexican military sets foot on American soil, without express approval by the government of the United States, we have an invasion.

They should be shot and killed.