Heli-skiing Operator Needs Our Help (environmentalist problems)

Upper Valley Free Press ^ | 1-24-04 | Daryl L. Hunter / Jon Shick

[Daryl L.Hunter]

The Upper Valley Free Press urges all users of our national forests (and empethetic Freepers) to support new Freeper Jon Shick at High Mountain Heli-Skiing. Although many of us can't afford to go heli-skiing we all need to support one another as forest users as the Eco-tally-ban is coming after you next. If you leave a mountain bike tire track on a mountain or your horse poops on a trail, or you use an old logging road to get your camp trailer into the woods, or a rare fish resides in your irriagtion supply or fishing hole, or you own something other than your feet to propel yourself into the woods, and God forbid if you try to start a business in the proximity of a forest, you are a target of the Eco-tally-ban. Lets stick together!

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Message from Jon Shick
(endangered business owner)

Dear friends and fellow heli-skiers,

Back in November 2001 the Forest Service (FS) informed us that it would be necessary to comply with NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act) before they could renew our 5-year special use permit. They determined that the appropriate level of study would be an Environmental Impact Statement (EIS).

This process, after more than two years of study, has now entered the final comment period with the release of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS). We're asking for your support by responding NOW with a letter to the FS. After collecting public input on the DEIS including your letter the Forest Service will modify the draft document into its final form, or EIS. Your letter will help shape the wording, findings and recommendations of the EIS.

In general, the DEIS has shown that our impacts are minimal. However, there are a couple of key issues that we have a problem with. See our web site, www.heliskijackson.com/eis_doc.html for a link to our position paper on the DEIS which outlines the issues with page references to the draft, so you don't have to read the entire document. You'll also find information on how to make your letter more effective. The DEIS, in its entirety can be accessed on the FS web site www.fs.fed.us/btnf ,

This is your only chance to help support the future of heli-skiing in Jackson Hole. Of course the only ones likely to comment are your fellow heli-skiers and those special interest groups that would like to either restrict or eliminate your right to participate in this sport. It is important to overwhelm the Forest Service with favorable comments at this critical time. The comment period will end on February 16 and no late comments will be accepted.

We thank you for your help and continued support,

Jon, Lud and the staff of High Mountain Heli-Skiing

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In March 2002 the The Upper Valley Free Press published related article below

Heli-skiing Ban

I would like to thank the Eco-tally-ban (The Greater Yellowstone Coalition, Wyoming Outdoor Council, and Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance and others) for once again marginalizing themselves by putting forth an imbecile's argument to further their anti multiple use agenda of the peoples playground, our national forests and parks.

The Eco-tally-ban is concerned about heli-ski operators scarring and stressing the wildlife living in snow deep enough that a powder hounds will pay $590.00 a day to ski it. Well I am of the mind that if any poor animal happens to be up there in powder heaven it is our duty as compassionate human beings to scare those silly animals down into the valley where they can get something to eat. Yes I know Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep sometimes winter on mountain tops but I've seen where they winter and you wouldn't catch me skiing there with your rock skis much less take a paying customer there.

The Eco-tally-ban are the same folks that don't want us to snowmobile on the paved highways of Yellowstone because it makes it to easy for Bison to get from one food source to another therefore not enough of them are starving to death every winter, as if starving to death doesn't stress them.

The financial well-being of helicopters operators should be important to anyone who recreates in the woods as they are often the ones that come and save us or our loved ones when we screw up and hurt ourselves in the mountains.

Soon The Eco-tally-ban will want to outlaw kite flying because a kite might hit an eagle in the ass.

[Daryl L.Hunter]

Out here by Yellowstone the Eco-tally-ban is really making headway against business interests and is putting the hurt on our meager economy.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press	Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[BluSky]

Besides local to regional issue involvement, much of their activity seems to be under the radar.

NEPA (National Environmental Protection Act) - another mandated liberal infested policy that has liberal and democrat fingerprints all over it so the 'haves' will suffer.

Thanks again, Democrats. Destroying this country, one policy at a time.

[Baynative]

I suppose this message is being sent through links on all skier and adventureer websites BUT, everyone needs to take an interest in what Hunter is talking about here.

I have lived all my life in wilderness environments and have witnessed the destructive track taken by enviro-nazis as they gain 'protective control over wildlands.

The forests and back country playgrounds of our wonderful environment are best protected and preserved by those who love and respect them - not those who would politicize their existence.

I urge EVERYONE to take a moment (PLEASE) and call or write to lend a hand.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

ping

[Daryl L.Hunter]

NEPA (National Environmental Protection Act) - another mandated liberal infested policy that has liberal and democrat fingerprints all over it so the 'haves' will suffer.

What sucks is that the eco-tally-ban groups are so organized with huge e-mail lists of duped but well meaning saps.

I am starting to get under their skin though. They have activily been blackmailing advertisers on my website to pull their adds or the wrath of their e-mail list will be upon them. All I want to do is protect the economy of my community.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[Daryl L.Hunter]

I suppose this message is being sent through links on all skier and adventurer websites BUT...

I don't think that this issue has received any circulation so any forwarding or posting elsewhere would be much appreciated. Freepers always do that anyway, thanks ahead of time.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[brooklin]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.

[Baynative]

It's not cheap to finance and operate a helicopter and pay the insurances that go along with running a business with so much inherent danger. THAT'S NOT THE POINT!

A the rightful access to wildlands are restricted doors are opened to other manipulation of our law to control and regulate people.

What ever your interests are, they can be influenced by the loss of anyone's God given rights. Smoking in private businesses, driving in restricted lanes, fast food calorie enforcement - you name it. It's coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

[U S Army EOD]

I am willing to help any American who has been screwed by the government. I do not support class envy.

[goodnesswins]

Jealous huh? Wait till they come after something YOU like.....even if it costs less!

[Daryl L.Hunter]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.

Sorry Brooklin you missed the whole point, it isn't about the skier it is about the community. Say someone comes to Jackson Hole from Brooklyn on vacation he takes $600.00 from Brooklyn and enriches my community with it. The Heli-ski owner gets a piece of at as does the guide, pilot, ground crew and office help. they take the money home and feed their children. My little community needs Brooklyn dollars to survive and my job is to expedite the process, that is the right thing to do.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[Daryl L.Hunter]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.

Brooklin, what is your position on the 800 Yellowstone snowmobile jobs and the rest of the $85 million a year snowmobile tourism industry that has recently been destroyed by the dishonorable Emmit G. Sullivan and his eco-tally-ban co-conspiritors?

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[Hot Tabasco]

Bump!

Heli skiing has always been on my list of things to do but i am lucky if I can make a ski trip out west every couple years or so let alone try to afford a heli-ski.

That being said, the only environmental impact that such trips have is the temporary alteration in snow terrain from a days trip. Given the snowfall, the next day is another virgin ski trip........

[Daryl L.Hunter]

That being said, the only environmental impact that such trips have is the temporary alteration in snow terrain from a days trip. Given the snowfall, the next day is another virgin ski trip........

Environmentalists don't like noisy machinery and they use whatever bogus reason to get rid of them.

[Hot Tabasco]

You know, I really hate to bring this up but as much as I support your efforts, I am a smoker and have been subjected to much anti-smoking attitudes by fellow skiers specifically last March while out in Whistler. So keep that in mind when you are asking for support in your endeavors. Given the anti-smoking agenda that is proliferating society, be carefull in who you wish to ostracize and those who you wish to support you...........

[Daryl L.Hunter]

You know, I really hate to bring this up but as much as I support your efforts, I am a smoker and have been subjected to much anti-smoking attitudes by fellow skiers specifically last March while out in Whistler. So keep that in mind when you are asking for support in your endeavors. Given the anti-smoking agenda that is proliferating society, be carefull in who you wish to ostracize and those who you wish to support you...........

This about keeping tourist dollars in my community not about skiers or for skiers or anything about skiers, it's about feeding families.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[B4Ranch]

"Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. "

Have you ever had a dream about doing something just once in your life because it's too expensive to do every weekend. That's the way some folks feel about Heli-skiing. A one time experience for them, so get your head out of your butt and fly right. Remember you could want help about something up your way in a year or two, yourself. I'll remember your response to this guys request for our help. If your day ever comes, go to a Dem forum for help.

[Major_Risktaker]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.

I'm not rich, however my dream is to High Mountain Heli-Skiing someday.

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This page tells you how and
why you should sue tobacco companies.

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From smoking to heli-skiing dot-org's are funded by foundations and others to pass laws prohibiting personal freedom. Someday Brooklin, something you enjoy will be questioned with your freedom on the line and
you will need help in your fight.

So please reconsider your position and join the battle here and everywhere you see tyranny show it's hideous face against the spirit of freedom.

[farmfriend]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.

So ability to pay effects your opinions? Are you a Democrat?

[farmfriend]

join the battle here and everywhere you see tyranny show it's hideous face against the spirit of freedom

Amen!

[Hot Tabasco]

This about keeping tourist dollars in my community not about skiers or for skiers or anything about skiers, it's about feeding families.

You are absolutely right, I do not have a problem with what you say. However, being a smoker, I am now having to be selective as to where my destination ski trips lead me. Specifically, if smokers are not welcome then I will not go there........

I guess the point I am trying to make is that while I support your community's efforts to thwart the attempts of the eco-nazi's, your skiing community is in turn trying to enforce their own "eco-cleansing" by attempting to prevent smoking in its establishments....I've been there!......

The old adage seems to apply here: "What goes around........"

What I am seeing more and more of is government infringment on the citizens and business in various communities across the country. Ironically these same citizes and businesses thought nothing about limiting the rights of a now stigmatized segment of society (smokers) in an effort to promote their own personal agendas. Well, their unwavering faith in the democratic process has now coming back to haunt them and they can expect no support from me........

[Hot Tabasco]

This about keeping tourist dollars in my community not about skiers or for skiers or anything about skiers, it's about feeding families.

You are absolutely right, I do not have a problem with what you say. However, being a smoker, I am now having to be selective as to where my destination ski trips lead me. Specifically, if smokers are not welcome then I will not go there........

I guess the point I am trying to make is that while I support your community's efforts to thwart the attempts of the eco-nazi's, your skiing community is in turn trying to enforce their own "eco-cleansing" by attempting to prevent smoking in its establishments....I've been there!......

The old adage seems to apply here: "What goes around........"

What I am seeing more and more of is government infringment on the citizens and business in various communities across the country. Ironically these same citizes and businesses thought nothing about limiting the rights of a now stigmatized segment of society (smokers) in an effort to promote their own personal agendas. Well, their unwavering faith in the democratic process has now coming back to haunt them and they can expect no support from me........

[AuntB]

Good point.

[Just Lori]

Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing.


Hey Brooklin!

And the "right thing" would be what????

[BluSky]

I will not forget your article. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Daryl L.Hunter]

And the "right thing" would be what?

And Brooklin remains remarkably silent!

[Daryl L.Hunter]

Checked out your bio page, you might like my Citizens For A Freer America site.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[Daryl L.Hunter]

So ability to pay effects your opinions? Are you a Democrat?

My axact same read I am glad someone else pointed it out

I join liberal forums and and e-mail lists so I know what they are up to. I am sure that the do the same.

If very many of us do that their numbers aren't as as we all think!

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[brooklin]

Hi, I am definitely not a 'rat, and I suppose ability to pay alot of money for something so "essential" does affect my judgement on this issue.

[brooklin]

Sorry, I was trying to sound like Dr. Laura, that is said on her show just before most commercials.

[KneelBeforeZod]

I thought snowboarders smoked.... right there in the midddle of the run...sitting 4 or 5 across...

[KneelBeforeZod]

new freeper? is he coming over to this thread?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Why are you even here? Class warfare has no place here.

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Sociasts are not welcome here.

[sauropod]

More DEIS fun and games, eh?

Will follow up.

[sauropod]

If there is a way to subscribe to their e-mail campaign, then perhaps you can gain access to their subscribers and put out YOUR message.

[brooklin]

You're the first person who has ever called me a "socialist".
Most consider me a Goldwater republican. Just because I don't like to ski, doesn't mean that I disagree with most of the ideas on this website, in fact most of the ideas here what I would consider well reasoned. Some members tend to occasionally go off halfcocked though.

[brooklin]

By the way, I like your home page. I wish that more people could see those quotes.

[yoe]

Having read all the posts on this thread, one link is missing and that is the United Nations. That rogue organization is in Yellowstone Park as they are in all of America's national parks – and I suspect Eco-tally-ban is part of the UN. Who let that happen? We did!

Well said #22!

[AAABEST]

According to your logic, we should care or not care about others according to what they have. Do you have a cutting off point of when it is proper to not care about the welfare of others?

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Thanks. I hope you'll rethink your statements on the skiing.
Whether the people who enjoy the activity are wealthy or not is not the issue.

[cake_crumb]

Bill Clinton handed control of Yellowstone to the UN.

[cake_crumb]

"Sorry, but I can't feel for anybody that can pay $600.- a day to ski. It's a rich persons sport. Now go and do the right thing"

Heheheh...it used to be that you didn't have to pay if you had a willing driver. I remember a hurricane in Galveston, and a rescue worker who was the last man off the island after the evacuation...and a pair of water skis and a daring pilot. Then a few years later, a few military guys got into trouble for misusing government property...

...Then it became a part of special training.

Interesting it's now such a popular sport.

[Daryl L.Hunter]

If there is a way to subscribe to their e-mail campaign, then perhaps you can gain access to their subscribers and put out YOUR message.

Good idea but I think that you would have to become a part of their infrastructure to do is.

Greater Yellowstone Coalition

Jackson Hole Conservation Alliance

[cake_crumb]

What does your personal opinion of skiing have to do with "doing the right thing"?

[cake_crumb]

I don't understand your posts. Are you saying that because you can't afford something, it should be banned so that nobody, including those who CAN afford it, can't enjoy it?

[Pitchfork]

Maybe the fat lazy snowmobilers should take up cross-country skiing. We'd solve this country's pollution, foreign fuel dependence AND weight problem! An alternative to heli-skiing is back country skiing which requires you to ski into the area and scale the mountain to have the pleasure of skiing down it! Sounds fair to me.

Its is incredible to me that conservatives who decry the creation of rights (like privacy, right to abortion, right to health care, right to college education) by the left, can then somehow claim the 'right' to drive some noisey, polluting machine into wilderness areas! Yeah, its your right to be fat and lazy!!

[Daryl L.Hunter]

Bill Clinton handed control of Yellowstone to the UN.

I have heard that but have seen no evidence of it. I would feel better about the world if Kofi Annan got a job in a gift shop up there.