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Orange Growers Irked by Low-Carb Diets
Associated Press via Yahoo! News ^ | January 21, 2004 | MIKE SCHNEIDER

Posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:38 PM PST by PJ-Comix

LAKELAND, Fla. - Tired of losing orange juice drinkers to low-carb diets, Florida's citrus growers are fighting back.

The state Department of Citrus on Wednesday changed its marketing strategy to convince consumers that orange juice can be compatible with the Atkins diet as well as the popular weight-loss plan pushed by television talk show host Dr. Phil McGraw.

The department's lawyer also is reviewing legal options against some books, such as "The South Beach Diet," that discourage orange juice for dieting purposes because of its high sugar levels.

About $1.8 million will be spent on a marketing campaign to combat the bad image caused by low-carb diets. The department is abandoning a marketing campaign that targeted moms and young professional women.

"There are powerful, negative messages against us," said Bob Crawford, executive director of the Florida Department of Citrus. "We're not going to stand and take it."

Florida's $9 billion citrus industry has reason to be concerned. Orange juice consumption has fallen from 888 million gallons during the 2000-2001 growing season to an expected 844 million gallons in the current season.

Citrus officials said a noticeable drop occurred last March when low-carb diets began to reach a critical mass.

"People are dropping out of the market," said Dan Gunter, a consultant for the Department of Citrus.

Crawford said the Atkins diet and Dr. Phil's diet leave room for orange juice consumption. But he said lawyers were reviewing claims against orange juice made in "The South Beach Diet" and other publications.

"I think if people write things that aren't true about our product, we'll first talk about it with them and hopefully avoid litigation," Crawford said.

In "The South Beach Diet," Dr. Arthur Agatston urges readers to eat fruits rather than drink fruit juice.

"Again, fruit juices are a big source of trouble, in part because we've come to associate them with healthy habits," Agatston writes in the best-selling book. "But they also bring with them high levels of fructose, which can be the undoing of any effort to lose weight."

The publisher, Rodale Inc., said it stands by the book's "sound nutritional advice."

Most of Florida's oranges are processed into juice. Florida is the nation's largest producer of oranges and second in the world to Brazil.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: agriculture; atkins; atkinsdiet; orangejuice
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I know from personal experience that FRESH SQUEEZED orange juice is extemely effective in preventing colds and flus. I used to get extremely sick every winter and 12 years ago I had such a bad cold that it took me about 4 months to shake it. No cold medicines seemed to work. Then I started squeezing oranges and drinking the juice. Almost immediate results and I RARELY have gotten sick since then. I believe that vitamin C is BEST absorbed from either eating oranges or drinking fresh sqeezed orange juice.

BTW, what is a good source for fish oil as well as zinc in the FOOD form? How about pickled herring for the fish oil? What about the zinc?

1 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:41 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I cant believe the American public is so stupid as to follow these fad diets...

Its just amazing...anybody who thinks OJ isn't health nectar is seriously lame.

Fresh OJ, Carrot juice you cannot drink enough of...

Dummies...
2 posted on 01/24/2004 5:08:26 PM PST by antaresequity (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/)
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To: antaresequity
If you have blood sugar/insulin problems, fruit juices will indeed spell trouble for you, as fruit JUICES are a very concentrated source of sugar. Eating the whole fruit will slow absorption of the sugar, partly because of the fiber content.

Not everyone can handle the same load of carbohydrates, particularly the concentrated sugars in fruit juices.

If you are one of those lucky people who can handle fruit juices, why, then drink all you want.

As for the rest of us, including people like me, we do better with fewer carbohydrates.

There is solid science for the rationale of eating low-carb, if you bother to read about it. Try any of the "Protein Power" books... they have a lot of well-written, easy-to-understand explanations throughout, especially the "Protein Power LifePlan" book.
3 posted on 01/24/2004 5:13:24 PM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: antaresequity
Yes fresh squeezed oranges and freshly juiced carrot BUT not the boxed stuff that sits in grocery stores.
4 posted on 01/24/2004 5:15:47 PM PST by cyborg
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To: antaresequity
I have discovered the root of the problem... LAWYERS

Crawford said the Atkins diet and Dr. Phil's diet leave room for orange juice consumption. But he said lawyers were reviewing claims against orange juice made in "The South Beach Diet" and other publications.
5 posted on 01/24/2004 5:16:35 PM PST by cyborg
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To: antaresequity
Its just amazing...anybody who thinks OJ isn't health nectar is seriously lame.

Well I prefer grapefruit juice especially from the ruby red variety.

6 posted on 01/24/2004 5:21:07 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: PJ-Comix
But haven't you heard? Haven't you been watching the Hardee's and Subway ads? Bacon is a health food now! Yep, bacon, cheese, and plenty of ranch dressing are all just fine, as long as they're wrapped in a lettuce leaf or a low-carb wrapper of some kind!

Well, we'll see. With seemingly half of America swallowing this stuff (literally and figuratively), we should know soon. Will our average weight, waistline, and cholesterol levels decline?

7 posted on 01/24/2004 5:26:50 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (How 'bout those CAROLINA PANTHERS!)
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To: PJ-Comix
How long before they start looking towards the Government to bail them out?

Why not? The travel industry (planes and trains) already think they're entitled...
8 posted on 01/24/2004 5:27:50 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!")
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To: Paleo Conservative
Well I prefer grapefruit juice especially from the ruby red variety.

Me too...I heard the Samurai drank GFJ every day...I love Texas RR juice...

Fresh Juice Rocks if you not intolerant cause of some sugar thing...

My Juice machine has more miles than my dodge pickup truck

9 posted on 01/24/2004 5:29:38 PM PST by antaresequity (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com/)
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To: PJ-Comix; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.
10 posted on 01/24/2004 5:33:23 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: PJ-Comix
What about the zinc?

Nutrition Fact Sheet: Zinc
Dietary Sources
Rich sources of zinc are oysters, beef, liver, crab, seafood, poultry, nuts and seeds, whole grains, tofu, legumes and milk. Zinc found in breast milk is better absorbed than that in formula milk.

11 posted on 01/24/2004 5:44:10 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: PJ-Comix
Any diet that discourages the consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables is ridiculous in my opinion.
12 posted on 01/24/2004 5:47:41 PM PST by ambrose
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To: antaresequity
I cant believe the American public is so stupid as to follow these fad diets...

What frightens the orange growers is that the Atkins diet actually works and its the only one I've ever seen that does work. The weight comes off and stays off as long as you stay on the diet.

I've lost sixty pounds, my cholesterol is down, and I feel better than I have in ten years. I'm not going back to a conventional diet, my health is too important.

The Atkins diet is not a fad it is a permanent lifestyle change. That's why the orange growers are in a panic.

If you have stock in oranges, its time to sell. They won't be coming back.

13 posted on 01/24/2004 5:49:57 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Well I prefer grapefruit juice especially from the ruby red variety.

But who sells grape juice NOT from concentrate? I don't trust juices made from concentrates.

14 posted on 01/24/2004 5:51:46 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix
But who sells grape juice NOT from concentrate?

I said grapefruit juice not grape juice.

15 posted on 01/24/2004 5:55:25 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
Will our average weight, waistline, and cholesterol levels decline?

In our family, we have four people on the Atkins diet. The average weight, waistline, and cholesterol levels have declined in every one of us. Combined we have lost over 240 pounds and a lot of inches.

16 posted on 01/24/2004 5:55:42 PM PST by LPM1888 (What are the facts? Again and again and again -- what are the facts? - Lazarus Long)
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To: Willie Green
Rich sources of zinc are oysters, beef, liver, crab, seafood, poultry, nuts and seeds, whole grains, tofu, legumes and milk.

Hmmm....Super King Buffet here in Ft. Lauderdale area has inexpensive buffet seafood dinners at night that includes oysters. Perhaps I should partake more often.

Zinc found in breast milk is better absorbed than that in formula milk.

Hmmmm....I wonder if I could convince Petra Verkaik to serve as my zinc source?

17 posted on 01/24/2004 5:57:26 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I said grapefruit juice not grape juice.

Oh! Then that's no problem. Here in Florida we are surrounded by grapefruit. I like the pink grapefruit the best. BTW, honeybells are in season now. They are my FAVORITE citrus source. Honeybells are a cross between navel oranges and tangerines. If you've never had them before, give them a try. As the name implies, they are VERY SWEET. They are best eaten so you can appreciate the SPECIAL texture it has.

18 posted on 01/24/2004 6:02:43 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Saddam Hussein was only 537 Florida votes away from still being in power)
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To: PJ-Comix
Here in Florida we are surrounded by grapefruit.

But the Rio Grande Valley, Texas which is not very far at all from my location has better grapefruit.

19 posted on 01/24/2004 6:05:01 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: PJ-Comix
All the orange growers need to do is wait-out this ridiculous fad.

And believe me, a fad is all it is. By this time next year Americans will have resumed eating their pizza, pasta, and orange juice as if none of this ever happened.

20 posted on 01/24/2004 6:08:53 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: PJ-Comix
IMHO, just outlawing high fructose corn syrup and like substances from our food stuffs would go a long way toward solving the "fat" problem.

It amazes me... a bottle on the grocery shelf screams, "100% JUICE." Then you look at the label and HFCS is one of the ingredients. How can this be? HFCS does not exist in nature, it is manufactured.

21 posted on 01/24/2004 6:16:22 PM PST by upchuck (Help Stop Animal Overpopulation - Spay/Neuter Your Pets and Any Weird Friends Too...)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
But haven't you heard? Haven't you been watching the Hardee's and Subway ads? Bacon is a health food now! Yep, bacon, cheese, and plenty of ranch dressing are all just fine, as long as they're wrapped in a lettuce leaf or a low-carb wrapper of some kind!

Well, we'll see. With seemingly half of America swallowing this stuff (literally and figuratively), we should know soon. Will our average weight, waistline, and cholesterol levels decline?

My husband's numbers after 6 months on Atkins:
Cholesterol: 202 was 210
Triglycerides 130 was 386
Ratio: 4.81 was 7
Weight loss: 20 pounds

Doctor wrote on postcard, 'much better continue diet'

He'd changed from eating cereal every morning to eating bacon, cheese, and eggs every morning. And plenty of ranch dressing and whipping cream.

Fat is not bad for you. Fat does not make you fat. I just really think the former has all been a lie. Time will tell.

22 posted on 01/24/2004 6:17:02 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: PJ-Comix
I love OJ... I love Oranges too, just ate one... a seedless one at that
23 posted on 01/24/2004 6:18:17 PM PST by GeronL (miss me?? I've been gone... you mean you didn't even notice?? wwaaaaaaaaaaa!!!)
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To: ambrose
Any diet that discourages the consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables is ridiculous in my opinion

Atkins does NOT discourage the consumption of fresh fruits and vegetables, just not the high-glycemic ones.

We eat all kinds of berries, cantaloupe, peaches, kiwi, and vast quantities of vegetables barring potatoes.

We also enjoy the low sugar cranberry juice put out by Ocean Spray. It's just made with Splenda instead of sugar.

24 posted on 01/24/2004 6:20:05 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Willie Green; PJ-Comix
Zinc found in breast milk is better absorbed than that in formula milk.

There you go, now you know what to do for a good source of zinc!!

25 posted on 01/24/2004 6:20:25 PM PST by GeronL (miss me?? I've been gone... you mean you didn't even notice?? wwaaaaaaaaaaa!!!)
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To: PJ-Comix
I think the whole thing is a triumph of the free market.
26 posted on 01/24/2004 6:28:43 PM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: LPM1888
Atkins devotee here. 45 lbs lost that I could not lose by any other method, even fasting for days and days. Rosacea cleared, colesterol down, eyes not so dry. There are too many success stories to discount Atkins as a fad diet. I knew I was a carboholic and couldn't stay away from it. First two weeks on Atkins I thought I was dying, then the cravings just stopped and I no longer long for sweets, bread or potatoes.
27 posted on 01/24/2004 6:31:18 PM PST by WVNan
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To: ambrose
I can't speak for the South Beach diet, but the Atkins diet does not prohibit fresh fruits or veggies. Heck, I'm on Atkins, and am living on a 50% salad diet (mind you, salad with MEAT. . . .). We just keep away from high-sugar/high-starch beyond a certain point, depending on where you are in the diet (induction, continuing loss, maintenance)
28 posted on 01/24/2004 6:33:43 PM PST by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: upchuck
"IMHO, just outlawing high fructose corn syrup and like substances from our food stuffs would go a long way toward solving the "fat" problem".

That along with bleached flour and white rice. The three biggest killing substances in the American diet.

I'm glad Adkins is successful...Maybe it will force manufacturers to produce more products that are actually healthy. Refined foods are the main contributors in the cause of diabetes and heart disease.

29 posted on 01/24/2004 6:34:39 PM PST by hope
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To: PJ-Comix
I and several members of my family are sold on these low carb diets.

One thing bad about this diet is that it gets boring.

I do believe a healthier but similar diet is the Suzanne Somers diet.

Her diet is all about combining foods, but she stresses the low carb, high protein diet.

On her diet fruit is recommended but to be eaten alone on an empty stomach.

I have not tried her diet but listened to one of her tapes.I highly recommend it.

What I think was amazing about the Atkins diet is how much better I feel, including all the aches and pains I used to call arthritis disappeared within a few days of starting it.
30 posted on 01/24/2004 6:35:44 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: antaresequity
I cant believe the American public is so stupid as to follow these fad diets...

Have you never heard of the Democratic political party?

You need to get out more.

LVM

31 posted on 01/24/2004 6:37:01 PM PST by LasVegasMac (My SUV can kick your SUV's butt.........)
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To: WVNan
Rosacea cleared,

I really wonder how many of these ailments have been caused by too much insulin?
32 posted on 01/24/2004 6:40:17 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: antaresequity
"Its just amazing...anybody who thinks OJ isn't health nectar is seriously lame. "

I guess you'd rather people stay fat and drink OJ than lay off it for a while and lose weight?

I think most people would rather lose the lard and have you consider them "lame" than drink OK when they are on a diet.
33 posted on 01/24/2004 6:41:37 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
"Well, we'll see. With seemingly half of America swallowing this stuff (literally and figuratively), we should know soon. Will our average weight, waistline, and cholesterol levels decline?"

Have a look at some peoples photos in the message boards at

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/

and guess for yourself.
34 posted on 01/24/2004 6:42:57 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: PJ-Comix
"But who sells grape juice NOT from concentrate? I don't trust juices made from concentrates."

Trader Joes
35 posted on 01/24/2004 6:44:04 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: PJ-Comix
how would you feel about laying off the crack and using a normal font?

36 posted on 01/24/2004 6:45:09 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
By this time next year Americans will have resumed eating their pizza, pasta, and orange juice as if none of this ever happened.

I don't know, my 61 year old sister lost from size 20 to size 7, four years ago and has never gained it back.She changed her whole lifestyle including smoking which she had done since age 14.

This is only one out of many success stories I know of personally.
37 posted on 01/24/2004 6:45:12 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: LasVegasMac
Have you never heard of the Democratic political party?

Do democrats eat meat?

They sure don't support the beef industry.
38 posted on 01/24/2004 6:47:33 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Aktins diet is a bunch of BS. ....And yep, I'm aware that it works for some, although not all, people. I'm just saying that right now it's a fad, and like all fads, it'll fade away. But most of the serious folks / the ones the diet really helped will stick with it. ......like your sister (who lost weight on the diet well before it became the rage).
39 posted on 01/24/2004 6:51:39 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: PJ-Comix
the atkins low carb thins os overboard now. i was just at the story and noticed signage for "Counting Carbs? Low carb bagels". It was for nasty lenders bagels type bagels. It was "low-carb" if you ate HALF a bagel. 9g carbs.


Who eats HALF a tiny bagel at a time?
40 posted on 01/24/2004 6:53:51 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Mr. Mojo
It works for anyone, so long as they still follow it.

It's not a fad BTW - people have been doing it for decades, it's only recently that it finally won over the low fat fraud.
41 posted on 01/24/2004 6:54:33 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: adam_az
I love Trader Joe's I certainly wish more grocer's would get with the idea that people want healthy alternatives...

Most of the people who are ranting against the Adkins program haven't a clue what they're commenting on...

42 posted on 01/24/2004 6:54:46 PM PST by hope
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To: LPM1888
I started the Atkins program since the day before Thanksgiving. 1 cup of orange juice is 28 carbs. Even on the "Weight Watchers" program 8 oz. of OJ is 3 points. Better to eat a complete orange.

I love oranges, haven't eaten one in 3 months, but looking forward to sections once I reach goal weight. OJ, who needs it? The best beverage is H2O.

43 posted on 01/24/2004 6:55:23 PM PST by Alouette (I chose to NOT have an abortion -- 9 times.)
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To: antaresequity
I cant believe the American public is so stupid as to follow these fad diets...

After 30 years of proven results the weight of evidence is now so overwhelming that the American medical establishment has finally had to acknowledge that the late Dr. Atkins was right and the govenment and "dieticans" were wrong. A fad. Right.

44 posted on 01/24/2004 6:56:31 PM PST by Hugin
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To: finnman69
Of course there are hucksters out there, trying to capitalize on something that works.

It's clearly not legal for the though according to Dr Atkins plan. Caveat emptor, as with everything!

It's kind of a stretch though, don't you think, to criticize the eating plan based on shysters trying to get people following it to break it so they can make a buck?
45 posted on 01/24/2004 6:57:08 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: agrarianlady
fat does not make you fat


but saturated fat will clog your arteries and give you heart problems.
46 posted on 01/24/2004 6:57:43 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The Atkins "Diet" is hardly a fad. It has been around since 1972. A 32 year long fad?????
47 posted on 01/24/2004 6:58:12 PM PST by Wordkraft
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To: hope
"Most of the people who are ranting against the Adkins program haven't a clue what they're commenting on..."

No, but at least they can spell it. :)

Repeat after me - A T K I N S

:) :)
48 posted on 01/24/2004 6:59:08 PM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: adam_az
It works for anyone, so long as they still follow it.

My dad followed it to the letter and his cholesterol went from 200 to 300 in one month. ....and his doctor told him that his case was far from unusual.

And yeah, I know the diet has been around for a long time. But it's the rage now (almost every food commerical on tv touts their "low carb" products), which means a bunch of faddists have temporarily jumped on the bandwagon. But it'll survive the fad, as I already mentioned.

49 posted on 01/24/2004 6:59:35 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Wordkraft
see #49 for elaboration.
50 posted on 01/24/2004 7:00:23 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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