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Fast Food As Health Food?
Tampa Tribune ^ | January 26, 2004 | SUSAN H. THOMPSON shthompson@tampatrib.com

Posted on 01/26/2004 2:28:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

ST. PETERSBURG - Atkins diet devotee Lisa Shelton tossed proof of her shrinking waistline - a pair of dark-blue denim, size 20 Lee jeans - over the bike rack at the Blimpie franchise downtown. Since August, the 29-year-old has lost 70 pounds. Her fast- food diet menu includes bacon cheeseburgers without the bun.

Shelton and a long line of customers were attracted by heavy radio advertising by Blimpie promoting a new Carb Counter Menu of subs, chips and drinks - and the idea that a chain called Blimpie can help oversized Americans melt fat.

In exchange for Blimpie food coupons, dieters were invited to bring bragging rights - pants that were now too big.

Shelton had dropped four sizes since summer. The jeans she carried to Blimpie symbolized triumph over a lifelong weight problem.

``I'd like to lose another 50 pounds,'' said Shelton, who counts carbohydrates each day according to the popular Atkins diet that promotes protein over the carbohydrates in breads, potatoes and pastas.

Like Blimpie, nearly every fast-food company in the country is trying to attract customers who want to lose weight.

The potential customer base is huge. Nearly two-thirds of Americans are obese or overweight.

Fast food is quickly becoming synonymous with diet, in part because of television commercials featuring Subway's Jared, the college kid who became a spokesman after he lost more than 100 pounds by munching exclusively on low- fat sandwiches.

The Subway Diet became a household phrase.

Recently the chain announced its new ``Atkins- friendly'' menu, a line of low- carb sandwiches for Atkins diet followers.

Signs on Subway entrances link the chain to heart health. Big letters say ``Be Good, Be Heart Smart.'' Smaller letters tout sponsorship of the American Heart Association's Heart Walk.

After decades of promoting supersized burgers, fries and sodas, companies such as McDonald's have gone further than adding menu items to create images as obesity fighters.

Their aim: To hold onto customers and public goodwill amid growing awareness of the sharp rise in obesity and fat-related health problems such as Type 2 diabetes.

Government Gets Involved

In Florida, concern about how rising obesity rates might devour the state's health care budgets prompted Gov. Jeb Bush to appoint a Task Force on the Obesity Epidemic. The panel's conclusions are to be delivered to state legislative leaders next month. Bills have been filed that could affect school lunches, nutrition and physical education.

If George Washington University law professor John F. Banzhaf were making the recommendations, fast-food companies would be required to post signs to warn consumers that frequent fast-food meals raise the risk of getting fat and that obesity increases heart disease. He also would have them prominently display information about fat and calories on menu boards.

``People might think twice about buying Meal No. 10 if they knew it had 1,100 calories,'' he said.

Banzhaf began a work group to explore how fast-food companies and other food corporations can be sued over obesity. He is an expert in cases against tobacco companies and has seen how lawsuits can change public policy.

Obesity lawsuits have gone to court in New York and California.

Plaintiffs in a New York City lawsuit filed two years ago included a 13-year-old who weighed 278 pounds and a 15- year-old who was nearly 400 pounds. The case was dismissed in September. The law isn't designed to protect people from overeating, the judge said.

Banzhaf predicts more suits will be filed.

Up to 15 percent of U.S. children are overweight. A form of diabetes once seen almost exclusively in heavy adults has become common in schoolchildren. The rise coincided with a fivefold increase in fast- food consumption among children since 1970.

Behind that jump are frazzled parents who shuttle children from after-school care to soccer practice and don't make time for home-cooked dinners.

A study by obesity researchers at Children's Hospital in Boston found nearly one-third of all children in the United States between ages 4 and 19 eat at fast-food restaurants each day. The habit creates enough excess calories to add about 6 pounds a year to a child's weight.

Meanwhile, campaigns at McDonald's promoting healthier food are steering the obesity debate away from criticism that Happy Meals entice preschoolers to eat less-healthy food.

As well as promoting a line of salads, the fast-food giant is emphasizing physical activity.

In school shows and personal appearances, McDonald's icon Ronald McDonald encourages children to be more active. Oprah Winfrey's former trainer, Bob Greene, joined the company last year as a spokesman to stress exercise and healthier choices.

Chains Address Concerns

There are other fast-food plans to influence public opinion:

* In December, Burger King became a sponsor of the President's Challenge Physical Activity Fitness Awards Program. The company said it plans to pay about $1 million for patches and award certificates signed by President Bush for children in selected schools who pass fitness tests. In exchange, Burger King will use the President's Challenge name on its kids' meal bags, tray liners and Web site.

* McDonald's introduced Adult Happy Meals in Indianapolis last spring. They will will be available nationally by May. The meals contain a salad, bottled water and a pedometer that helps users count steps.

* Amid calls for more prominent displays of calorie counts and fat grams in restaurants, the back of new McDonald's tray liners soon will contain nutrition guides for menu items. Locally, the liners will be in McDonald's shops as supplies of other tray liners run out, a spokeswoman said.

* Burger King has covered both low-fat and low-carb trends, with a line of sandwiches on baguette bread and new bunless burgers served in bowls.

* Hardee's has a Thickburger presented as a low-carb option and wrapped in iceberg lettuce.

* Last fall, KFC started advertisements comparing the fat content of fried chicken to that of a Burger King Whopper, claiming fried chicken can be part of a healthy diet because it has less fat. The concept earned criticism and the ads stopped around Thanksgiving, but mention of the October campaign remains on the KFC Web site.

* Nearly every fast-food chain has nutrition slogans and fitness tips splashed on their Web sites, such as ``Keep It Balanced'' at KFC and Taco Bell.

Despite the new marketing emphasis, not all fast food has become health food.

Kickboxing With Ronald

And kids may get fat if they subsist on chicken nuggets, no matter how much companies such as McDonald's and Burger King promote exercise.

``Some healthier choices are available, but the menus are still very stacked,'' said Margo Wootan, director of nutrition policy for the Center for Science in the Public Interest, an agency in Washington that has been a food industry watchdog for years.

``There are a couple of healthy eating choices in a minefield of unhealthy choices. ... It's easier to eat badly at McDonald's,'' Wootan said.

To navigate fast-food menus, consumers must be nutrition- savvy. For instance, substituting a salad for a burger doesn't guarantee fewer calories and less fat. Dressing- drenched greens can contain more fat and calories than a double cheeseburger.

Fast-food involvement in health efforts are targeting the young as well.

An example is the antiobesity efforts of Get Healthy Florida, which kicked off a youth campaign Dec. 8 at an Orlando middle school. The event was portrayed as a statewide health initiative supported by the Florida Department of Health.

Ronald McDonald and Greene were on hand to encourage an audience of 300 sixth-graders to get up and kickbox.

Future efforts by Get Healthy Florida may include more fitness instruction at McDonald's restaurants in Central Florida, said Shannon Sayre, a freelance television producer who founded Get Healthy with two partners, including a doctor from an Orlando hospital.

``There isn't a better place to reach kids than the parking lot of McDonald's,'' Sayre said, adding that no contracts have been signed with the fast-food company.

Get Healthy Florida isn't a public health agency. It is a for-profit company that solicits corporations to sponsor health events, such as flu-shot clinics.

Packages can include airtime to publicize the sponsorship on a TV station.

``Get Healthy Florida, if you want to get a little clearer, is an advertising agency,'' said Henry Maldonado, general manager of Orlando television station WKMG.

The December event at Memorial Middle School in Orlando included a 10-member youth task force of middle schoolers from nine Central Florida counties. Each member got a free bicycle.

The youth group, which is supposed to forward ideas to the governor's obesity panel, was picked by a representative for McDonald's, said Sarah Sekula, who works on the McDonald's account at an Orlando public relations firm.

At the Center for Science in the Public Interest, such tactics anger Wootan.

``Food companies are very nervous about being blamed for rising obesity rates. So they're launching campaigns to deflect blame that put most of the emphasis on physical activity,'' she said.

``I think it's really irresponsible of these companies to position themselves as good corporate citizens. ... They want people to believe that, `If I just exercise, I can eat this stuff.' ''

In reality, you would need to run 9 miles in one hour to burn off one Whopper.

At Blimpie, an exercise campaign has been added to supplement the chain's Carb Counter Menu.

Blimpie offers Lisa Shelton and similar customers the chance to win coupons for two free weeks at a local gym or 15 free sessions with a personal trainer. Radio disc jockeys eat Blimpie low-carb subs on the air and invite listeners to call in to win the training sessions.

``It's part of `Be your best with Blimpie,' '' said the company's Florida area representative Burt Shryock.

The idea that luscious food can be sold as slenderizing appeals to Shryock, who owns an interest in 150 Blimpie franchises.

An upcoming cheesecake with zero net carbs ``will knock your socks off,'' he said as he watched customers pour into Blimpie on St. Petersburg's Central Avenue.

``We're bringing in customers we haven't seen.''

Reporter Susan H. Thompson can be reached at (813) 259-7951.

TRADITIONAL AND NEW Fast-food companies are marketing new menu items as healthier choices for consumers who want to eat diets lower in calories, fat or carbohydrates. Here's a sample of traditional menu items and newer choices, plus how far you would need to walk briskly* to burn them off. McDonald's Traditional Big Mac 600 calories 33 grams fat 50 grams carbohydrates Miles: 7 1/2 New Grilled Chicken Caesar Salad with dressing 390 calories 24 grams fat 13 grams carbohydrates Miles: 5 Burger King Traditional Original Whopper 710 calories 43 grams fat 52 grams carbohydrates Miles: 9 New Santa Fe Fire-Grilled Chicken Baguette 350 calories 5 grams fat 47 grams carbohydrates Miles: 4 1/2 KFC Traditional Original Recipe Chicken Breast, mashed potatoes and gravy, and biscuit 700 calories 33.5 grams fat 52 grams carbohydrates Miles: 9 New Twister sandwich 670 calories 38 grams fat 55 grams carbohydrates Miles: 8 1/2 Taco Bell Traditional Regular Chalupa Chicken Supreme 370 calories 20 grams fat 30 grams carbohydrates Miles: 4 1/2 New Fresco-Style Chalupa Chicken Supreme 310 calories 14 grams fat 30 grams carbohydrates Miles: 4 Sources: McDonald's, Burger King, KFC, Taco Bell * Mileage estimate is based on a 150-pound man or woman walking 3.5 miles per hour.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atkins; burgers; carbs; diet; fastfood; fat; fitness; health; healthfood; lowcarb; mcdonalds; turass; vegan; weightloss

1 posted on 01/26/2004 2:28:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm sure tempted to try this diet, even against Doctor's advice. Last time I went on a diet (8 years ago), I dropped 110 lbs (which put me at 155 and all but killed me) in 8 months by cutting fat to < 20 grams/day. I gained back 60 lbs since and would like to drop 20 and stay there.

Sure would like to hear from anyone with a fussy heart as to whether this worked for them or not.

2 posted on 01/26/2004 2:34:15 AM PST by Glenn (MS:Where do you want to go today? OSX:Where do you want to go tomorrow?Linux:Are you coming or what?)
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To: Glenn
I dropped 60 pounds last yearon Atkins, but with my shoulder injury, I was unable to exercise at all, and one armed after surgery. I gained back 45 pounds. Going to school for two classes doesnt help the schedulem neither does the 1 hour drive! Lunch is spent doing homework!

Anyways...I am eating small amounts again, Atkins rules...it will happen again(Now that I dont have to eat out of a box with only my left arm again!)
3 posted on 01/26/2004 2:47:32 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
At In-n-Out Burger joints in California, they offer a "Secret Menu" - i.e.: they'll sandwich any of their burgers between two thick pieces of lettuce instead of a bun. Great for Atkins. Darn good too!


4 posted on 01/26/2004 2:56:28 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
nearly one-third of all children in the United States between ages 4 and 19 eat at fast-food restaurants each day.

Unbelievable!

5 posted on 01/26/2004 3:18:16 AM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: RaceBannon
Doesn't sound like that surgery slowed you down a whit!
6 posted on 01/26/2004 3:19:11 AM PST by WaterDragon (GWB is The MAN!)
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To: ppaul
Yes! I've been there and had that. It is very good. I thought I'd heard that one of the other giant fast food places was going to offer the burger that way. When in McDs yesterday I saw no mention of low carb anything.
7 posted on 01/26/2004 3:21:44 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: WaterDragon
nearly one-third of all children in the United States between ages 4 and 19 eat at fast-food restaurants each day.

Unbelievable!

Then don't believe. It's most likely a bogus "stat".

8 posted on 01/26/2004 3:26:26 AM PST by been_lurking
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To: ThirstyMan
Tuesday January 27, 2004

 
Film records effects of eating only McDonald's for a month

25.01.2004 - 12.00pm - By DAVID USBORNE

NEW YORK - Normally sane actors have been known to gain or lose huge amounts of weight for their art. Think of Renee Zellweger in Bridget Jones's Diary. Directors, of course, never have to undergo such torture. Or so it used to be, until Morgan Spurlock had a bright idea for a film project.

The first clue to his particular misery comes in the title of his documentary, which has become the darling of this year's Sundance Film Festival. It is called Super Size Me: A Film of Epic Portions and it is a sometimes comic but serious look at America's addiction to fast food.

Spurlock, a tall New Yorker of usually cast-iron constitution, made himself the guinea pig in this dogged investigation into the effects of fast food on the body. He ate only at McDonald's for a month - three meals, every day - and took a camera crew along to record it. If a server offered to super-size his order, he was obliged to accept - and to ingest everything, gherkins and all.

Neither Spurlock, 33, nor the three doctors who agreed to monitor his health during the experiment were prepared for the degree of ruin it would wreak on his body. Within days, he was vomiting up his burgers and battling with headaches and depression. And his sex drive vanished.

When Spurlock had finished, his liver, overwhelmed by saturated fats, had virtually turned to pate. "The liver test was the most shocking thing," said Dr Daryl Isaacs, who joined the team to watch over him. "It became very, very abnormal."

Spurlock put on nearly 12kg over the period and his cholesterol level leapt from a respectable 165 to 230. He told the New York Post: "I got desperately ill. My face was splotchy and I had this huge gut, which I've never had in my life ... It was amazing - and really frightening." And his girlfriend, a vegan chef? "She was completely disgusted by me," he said.

Making the film over several months last year, Spurlock travelled through 20 states, interviewing everyone from fast-food junkies to the US Surgeon General and a lobbyist for the industry. McDonald's, for whom the film can only be a public relations catastrophe, ignored his repeated entreaties for comment.

Spurlock had the idea for the film on Thanksgiving Day 2002, slumped on his mother's couch after eating far too much. He saw a news item about two teenage girls in New York suing McDonald's for making them obese. The company responded by saying their food was nutritious and good for people. Is that so, he wondered? To find out, he committed himself to his 30 days of Big Mac bingeing.

The film does not yet have a distributor and, given the advertising clout of McDonald's, that may prove problematic. But the critics at Sundance seem to have been captivated. Certainly, the film is blessed by good timing. Obesity has in recent months captured headlines as America's new health scourge. The humour of the approach - and Spurlock's own suffering - obviously helps.

At the festival in Park City, Utah, he has had teams handing out "Unhappy Meal" bags on the streets with a few "Fat Fun Facts". For instance, one in four Americans visits a fast-food restaurant every day. And did you know that McDonald's feeds more people around the world every day than the population of Spain? The makers have self-rated the film "F" - for "fat audiences".

McDonald's has finally been forced to comment. "Consumers can achieve balance in their daily dining decisions by choosing from our array of quality offerings and range of portion sizes to meet their taste and nutrition goals," it said in a statement last week.

Spurlock claims that the goal was not to attack McDonald's as such. Among the issues he highlights is the willingness of schools to feed students nothing but burgers and pizza. "If there's one thing we could accomplish with the film, it is that we make people think about what they put in their mouth," he said. "So the next time you do go into a fast-food restaurant and they say, 'Would you like to upsize that?' you think about it and say, 'Maybe I won't. Maybe I'll stick with the medium this time.'"

Link to article: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/entertainmentstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3545438&thesection=entertainment&thesubsection=film&thesecondsubsection=general

- INDEPENDENT


   

9 posted on 01/26/2004 3:30:29 AM PST by ppaul
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To: ThirstyMan
When in McDs yesterday I saw no mention of low carb anything.

See #9 above.

BTW: I stopped at Jack in the Box today.
They had a new sign on the drive-up menu saying they will prepare your sandwich without the bun upon request.

10 posted on 01/26/2004 3:34:17 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
``Atkins- friendly'' menu, a line of low- carb sandwiches for Atkins diet followers.

I had one of these a couple weeks ago- not bad at all. It was turkey, bacon, cheese, veggies, and chipotle sauce all wrapped in an low-carb tortilla. Quite tasty. Though, I'm sure the tortilla is full of soy so I won't be making those wraps a staple.

11 posted on 01/26/2004 3:42:28 AM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this good Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: Glenn
Well.....Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist. Read the book. Many of his patients were heart patients. It seems that his diet contradicts the popular wisdom of the day, but many doctors are now coming around, and may approve a modified Atkins, of nothing else. It works very well. I put on tons of pounds eating junk candy with my grandkids, after maintaining on Atkins for more than two years, and lo! and behold! I've lost 15 pounds since Christmas getting back on it, and lost the cravings for candy. It's the only diet that ever worked well for me. It's possibly your cholestrol level will go up initially, but it will also drop considerably after a few months, way down below a worrisome level. Read the book.
12 posted on 01/26/2004 4:00:26 AM PST by vharlow
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
IIRC, the article is wrong about the KCF claims. They didn't claim that the chicken was low fat... But that it was low in carbs. Big difference.

And of course, all of the fast food companies are getting into the "more healthy" food mantra... For 3 reasons.

#1 - Fear of government. They're afraid that the government will do something stupid (again), and start regulating what people are eating.

#2 - Fear of lawyers. They're afraid of the same shenanagins that the lawyers played so successfully against tobacco.

#3 - Market share. They want to make sure that the 20 million or so (as reported in a few different places) low carb dieters don't start going somewhere else.

Mark
13 posted on 01/26/2004 4:07:17 AM PST by MarkL
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To: bjcintennessee
PING
14 posted on 01/26/2004 4:28:45 AM PST by ImaTexan
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Carl's Jr now offers a low carb burger. It is excellent. Reading this article reminds me that the experts still don't get it. They still gripe at fast food and other restaurants for their calories or fat - when that is not the point in low-carb diets.
15 posted on 01/26/2004 5:10:46 AM PST by Moonmad27
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
At the Center for Science in the Public Interest, such tactics anger Wootan

Aren't these people the food nazis? I bet you they hate the Atkins diet, becuase it says people can eat beef.

16 posted on 01/26/2004 5:16:36 AM PST by Dane
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To: Lil'freeper
Though, I'm sure the tortilla is full of soy so I won't be making those wraps a staple

Is soy bad. Just wondering.

17 posted on 01/26/2004 5:21:02 AM PST by Dane
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And why is it to the advantage of wicked, evil fast food companies to make people fat? It isn't! They just want to make money, and so they give people what they want so they'll by stuff. Which, so far, has been tasty, fatty foods. So now the people want low-carbs, and the wicked, evil fast food companies shrug and comply.

Imagine this for a marketing slogan: "We don't give you what you want, we give you what nutritionists currently believe is good for you!"

18 posted on 01/26/2004 5:22:46 AM PST by prion
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To: WaterDragon
I don't think they mean the same kids every day.
19 posted on 01/26/2004 5:26:14 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeaaaaagh!)
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To: prion
"We don't give you what you want, we give you what nutritionists currently believe is good for you!"

Yeah, that surely won't fly, except in a LIBERAL'S dream.

20 posted on 01/26/2004 5:27:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
To me, the equation is simple

Eat only when you are truly hungry
STOP when you are full (not OVER-full)
Don't sit at the computer all day - get some exercise

Pass the potato salad, please.

21 posted on 01/26/2004 5:28:55 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeaaaaagh!)
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To: BSunday
Don't sit at the computer all day - get some exercise

Bump!

22 posted on 01/26/2004 5:32:32 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Dane
Well, it's definitely a common allergen. Whether it's dangerous to people without soy allergies is open to debate.

Here's an article on it:
The Other Side of Soy

I'm sure you can do a Google or Google News search on soy and read various other articles, then you can make up your own mind. Personally, I have no opinion one way or the other unless they come out with some more conclusive research. I don't eat soy, anyway... I just don't care for it.

23 posted on 01/26/2004 5:33:52 AM PST by grimalkin ("Everyone feels benevolent if nothing happens to be annoying him at the moment." -C.S. Lewis)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The jeans she carried to Blimpie symbolized triumph over a lifelong weight problem.

Clearly, this must be stopped.

</ sarcasm>

24 posted on 01/26/2004 5:39:39 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Glenn
I'm sure tempted to try this diet, even against Doctor's advice.

Been doing Atkins for a year. Cholesterol went from 200/50 to 150/75. I'm down 10 lbs. too. I'm in the "fit" range for body fat. I'm in my 40s.

25 posted on 01/26/2004 5:42:44 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dane
In large amounts it is. Can interfere with mineral absorbtion and thyroid function. The high levels of estrogen are not helpful to the majority of the population either.
26 posted on 01/26/2004 5:43:32 AM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this good Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL Poor me - it's what I do for a living. No wonder I keep gaining weight. (that plus I have a hard time saying NO to certain foods - potato salad and biscuits & gravy come to mind)
27 posted on 01/26/2004 5:50:37 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeaaaaagh!)
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To: BSunday
Ha! Do some tummy suck-in reps and you'll feel less guilty.
28 posted on 01/26/2004 5:54:26 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Pfffff... This biatch eating her bacon cheesburgers every day may have lost 70 pounds, but she'll soon die of congestive heart failure and it will serve her right. Same goes for the rest of these lazy Atkins devotees, clogging up their arteries and their intestines and smelling of urea.

You know what, people? I eat carbs. Tons of carbs. Nearly 70% of my daily intake is made up of that bugaboo of pseudo-healthy conformity: carbohydrates. Why can I eat so many carbs? Nay, why *must* I eat so many carbs? Because I excercise. And carbs are enegry. The only time that this energy makes you fat is when you're too lazy to work the calories off. I take breaks and walk at work. And after my job, I get off of my bum and run. Excercising the body, doing what it has evolved to do: aka moving around and sweating, engaging in aeorobic activity, and living an active life keeps you healthy. Eating a fast food burger wrapped in lettuce? Now, that's not healthy; that's just frelling stupid and lazy.

29 posted on 01/26/2004 5:59:48 AM PST by turbojugend
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To: turbojugend
Good for you.
30 posted on 01/26/2004 6:02:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: grimalkin; Lil'freeper
Thank you both for your comments. I started a high protein, reletively low fat and low carb diet a couple of weeks ago and have been recently using soy nuts as a snack.

I don't think I have an allergy to soy, but I am going to do some more research. I may change to almonds as a snack now.

31 posted on 01/26/2004 6:32:27 AM PST by Dane
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To: RaceBannon; Glenn
"I dropped 60 pounds last yearon Atkins, but with my shoulder injury, I was unable to exercise at all, and one armed after surgery. I gained back 45 pounds. Going to school for two classes doesnt help the schedulem neither does the 1 hour drive! Lunch is spent doing homework! "

To be fair, go off ANY diet and that will happen. The Atkins book does explain how to go off the weight loss phase and maintain the loss.
32 posted on 01/26/2004 6:32:51 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: BSunday
Not gonna make any money with that. No books, no aftermarket food products. ;)
33 posted on 01/26/2004 6:39:18 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Dane
Don't rule out macadamias- I think they're divine.
34 posted on 01/26/2004 6:40:22 AM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this good Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: turbojugend
"And carbs are enegry. The only time that this energy makes you fat is when you're too lazy to work the calories off. I take breaks and walk at work. And after my job, I get off of my bum and run."

Nice that you lead such a life of leisure, not all of us do. After work, I go to school and then do homework. Other people go to work and then care for their kids, and don't have the hours in the day to go running for an hour daily.

Is your advice intended to ensure that people who have less spare time than you remain fat?

"Why can I eat so many carbs? Nay, why *must* I eat so many carbs? Because I excercise. And carbs are enegry."

Ketones are also energy, they are produced when the body burns fat. If you had one iota of intellectual curiosity instead of just three iotas of mendacity, you'd know that the body has two metabolic paths: one for glucose, one for ketones. In fact, the people for whom dietary ketosis works the best are the very people for whom a diet of 70% carbohydrate will wreck their insulin system.

Besides that, I have a hard time beleiving that eating a diet consisting of 70% bread and pasta can possibly be healthy. It's about as unnatural a diet as I cam imagine.
35 posted on 01/26/2004 6:42:26 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Radio disc jockeys eat Blimpie low-carb subs on the air and invite listeners to call in to win the training sessions.

That'd be a show I'd turn off. I cannot stand eating sounds.
36 posted on 01/26/2004 6:42:49 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Xenalyte
LOL
37 posted on 01/26/2004 6:54:05 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: yall
You can follow Banzhaf's loonyness at

Banzhaf Watch

Keeping an eye on the man who wants to sue America.

http://www.banzhafwatch.com/sightings.html
38 posted on 01/26/2004 7:04:23 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: Bush2000
Hey, this Banzhaf, he sounds like your kinda guy!

"On June 18, JB sent certified letters to the CEOs of all six fast food gianst demanding that they display warning notices about the alleged addictive nature of fatty foods. He admitted to sending the letters as a necessary first step toward filing a lawsuit against the fast-food giants within six to nine months." http://www.banzhafwatch.com/mcdonald.html

Good going, file a lawsuit whose main allegation has not been proven to be factual. Sound familiar? Shades of Darl Mcbride!
39 posted on 01/26/2004 7:07:51 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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To: Wolfie
Well ya never know....for instance, there's always Weigh Down. Same principle. Maybe I can rehash it and call it something different.
40 posted on 01/26/2004 7:29:12 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeaaaaagh!)
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To: Wolfie
And how's this for a name:

The 'Askins' Weigh Watchers 'Slimquick' Fenfen 'Hot Rolls of Steel' 'Bow Tai' Way to Ultimate Fast and Easy Non Surgical Weight Loss.

Do ya think it'll pass legal muster?

41 posted on 01/26/2004 7:35:03 AM PST by BSunday (Yeeaaaaagh!)
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To: adam_az
That's pretty funny. If you had an ounce of curiosity about the issue you might happen to notice that the US Government's health recommendations are for diets with 45 - 65% carbohydrate intake. And with heavy excercise, the body's need for carbs increases, thus the 70% rule of thumb.

And if you think that I have a life of leisure because I make time to work out, you are sadly mistaken. With my career during the day and cert classes at night, I don't have the hours in the day to go running, either, but I don't make excuses. If it means that I'm out running in the cold and ice, so be it.

As for this statement:

"Besides that, I have a hard time beleiving that eating a diet consisting of 70% bread and pasta can possibly be healthy. It's about as unnatural a diet as I cam imagine..." Bread and pasta? Perhaps, you should get acquainted with fruit, vegetables, and whole grains.

BTW, do you even know the meaning of the word mendacity? I would like you to point out what was a lie in my original post. Thanks.

42 posted on 02/18/2004 9:26:29 PM PST by turbojugend
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To: turbojugend
Um....

Eat it, buddy.
43 posted on 02/19/2004 8:51:04 AM PST by adam_az (Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting weftists.)
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