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Republican Lawmakers Won’t Back Bush on Immigration
CNSNews.com ^ | 1/26/2004 | Susan Jones

Posted on 01/26/2004 3:57:19 PM PST by yoe

Republican lawmakers who generally back President Bush are not backing him on immigration. In fact, they want their leaders to know they have "serious concerns" about President Bush's proposed immigration policy.

In a letter addressed to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and several other members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus said they won't go along with the president's plan because it "does not address the problem appropriately."

"In fact, in our view, it will further exacerbate the problem and create discontent amongst the Republican Party," the letter said.

Jones, in a press release, said he and other lawmakers would consider alternative guest-worker legislation, as long as it does not reward lawbreakers with amnesty.

Although President Bush insists his proposal does not include amnesty, Jones said he thinks it does - because it would make illegal aliens who work in the U.S. for a number of years eligible for legal status and citizenship. That is de facto amnesty, Jones and the other lawmakers said in their letter.

"Since the President's speech, our offices have been inundated with calls from dismayed constituents expressing vehement opposition to the Administration's proposal," the "Dear Mr. Speaker" letter said.

"If we do not listen to our constituents on this matter, our influence and effectiveness in Congress could be jeopardized. Simply put, we cannot continue to allow our immigration laws to be violated and ignored -- and illegal aliens are by definition criminals."

According to the letter, President Bush's immigration proposal has left many conservatives "dismayed, angry and confused."

"Mr. Speaker, it is our hope that you will recognize the problems the Administration's proposal has created for our constituents," the letter says.

It notes that "respect for the rule of law is a core conservative value," and it urges the Republican leadership in the House to find a solution to America's immigration problem "that is more in line with the principles of our Party and our national traditions."

Earlier this month, President Bush proposed a new "temporary worker program" that would offer temporary legal status to millions of undocumented workers who have jobs in the U.S.

Bush said his program would "match willing foreign workers with willing American employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs."

Temporary workers would be expected to return permanently to their countries after their work stint in the United States has expired. Temporary workers wishing to seek American citizenship would be allowed to apply in the normal way, according to the president's plan.

"They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start. I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship," Bush said.

"America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America," Bush added.

Bush's proposal drew immediate criticism from conservatives, who see it as a threat to national security and an affront to the rule of law.


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I honestly believe our President was badly misled by his advisors on this issue. Tom Ridge and Condi Rice should have known just how bad the illegal alien problem is on our borders...they obviously didn't take the time to really find out. President Bush must ask the Congress to table his proposals until this mess can be sorted out.

Meanwhile continue the round up of aliens and visa abusers and deport them. Some one should tell President Bush that V. Fox is not his friend, nor is being politically correct about any of this; it is the wrong thing to do. The right thing to do would be to consult with Tom Tancredo (sp), regardless of Karl Rove's disapproval.

1 posted on 01/26/2004 3:57:21 PM PST by yoe
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To: Sabertooth; B4Ranch
According to the letter, President Bush's immigration proposal has left many conservatives "dismayed, angry and confused."

Bonk!

2 posted on 01/26/2004 4:01:13 PM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: yoe

YES!

 

3 posted on 01/26/2004 4:03:18 PM PST by Action-America (Best President: Reagan * Worst President: Klinton * Worst GOP President: Dubya)
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To: yoe
So, adopt Tancredo's plan. (It's not that much different from Bush's.)

It'll shut him and his rabid followers up, and save massive amounts of bandwidth on Free Republic.

4 posted on 01/26/2004 4:04:02 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: yoe
I am convinced this is all part of a "magic mirrors" plan to convince border line Rats that Bush is their man too. All a plan to get reelected.

Watch what happens during his 2nd term. Complete reverse. But to do that, you must get elected the 2nd time.

5 posted on 01/26/2004 4:04:40 PM PST by AGreatPer
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To: yoe
"Tom Ridge and Condi Rice should have known just how bad the illegal alien problem is on our borders...they obviously didn't take the time to really find out. President Bush must ask the Congress to table his proposals until this mess can be sorted out."

Be careful there - The Condi Rice in 2008 RINOs on FR are going to have you boiled in oil for goring their sacred cow.

And the 3 people who back Tom "Harder Vincente Harder" Ridge will also not be pleased...
6 posted on 01/26/2004 4:05:12 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: yoe
dont count him out yet. the president has developed a pattern of putting himself in a position where democrats say "gotcha", then dropping a bomb on them at the last second. he's suprised me too many times for me to get very upset with the illegal alien situation.

im obviously no fan of illegal immigration but im taking the wait and see attitude on this one.
7 posted on 01/26/2004 4:06:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: yoe; Victoria Delsoul; Marine Inspector; FITZ; Ajnin; Pelham; Travis McGee; sarcasm; harpseal; ...

In a letter addressed to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and several other members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus said they won't go along with the president's plan because it "does not address the problem appropriately."

"In fact, in our view, it will further exacerbate the problem and create discontent amongst the Republican Party," the letter said.

Jones, in a press release, said he and other lawmakers would consider alternative guest-worker legislation, as long as it does not reward lawbreakers with amnesty.

Although President Bush insists his proposal does not include amnesty, Jones said he thinks it does - because it would make illegal aliens who work in the U.S. for a number of years eligible for legal status and citizenship. That is de facto amnesty, Jones and the other lawmakers said in their letter.

"Since the President's speech, our offices have been inundated with calls from dismayed constituents expressing vehement opposition to the Administration's proposal," the "Dear Mr. Speaker" letter said.

"If we do not listen to our constituents on this matter, our influence and effectiveness in Congress could be jeopardized. Simply put, we cannot continue to allow our immigration laws to be violated and ignored -- and illegal aliens are by definition criminals."

According to the letter, President Bush's immigration proposal has left many conservatives "dismayed, angry and confused."

"Mr. Speaker, it is our hope that you will recognize the problems the Administration's proposal has created for our constituents," the letter says.

It notes that "respect for the rule of law is a core conservative value," and it urges the Republican leadership in the House to find a solution to America's immigration problem "that is more in line with the principles of our Party and our national traditions."

"Although President Bush insists his proposal does not include amnesty, Jones said he thinks it does - because it would make illegal aliens who work in the U.S. for a number of years eligible for legal status and citizenship. That is de facto amnesty,"

President Bush has kissed his credibility goodbye, where Illegal Aliens are concerned.


8 posted on 01/26/2004 4:06:27 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: yoe
maybe, just maybe this was his plan. Make the proposal, knowing full well it would never happen.

I don't like it, but it may make sense to people more politically savvy than me. It is so far before the election that it won't impact the vote...kind of like airing your dirty laundry long before election day to lessen the effect.

This way, the Dems can't call him on it to shore up their hispanic votes, though.
9 posted on 01/26/2004 4:07:24 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: Sabertooth
President Bush has kissed his credibility goodbye, where Illegal Aliens are concerned.

Plans are plans. They can be changed.

As I read Tancredo's plan, it differs from Bush's very little (times in the worker program and no amnesty). Is it acceptable to you?

10 posted on 01/26/2004 4:09:09 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: yoe
I honestly believe our President was badly misled by his advisors on this issue. Tom Ridge and Condi Rice should have known just how bad the illegal alien problem is on our borders...they obviously didn't take the time to really find out. President Bush must ask the Congress to table his proposals until this mess can be sorted out.

I doubt they had any say in the matter. This proposal has Karl Rove's fingerprints all over it. His and GWB's, and probably Vincente Fox's.

11 posted on 01/26/2004 4:10:17 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: ilgipper; Sabertooth
"I don't like it, but it may make sense to people more politically savvy than me. It is so far before the election that it won't impact the vote...kind of like airing your dirty laundry long before election day to lessen the effect."

The fact that Bush announced this at the very beggining of the year is a strong (But not certain) indicator that Bush knew this wouldn't pass Congress, so it might just be a last ditch effort to get the Hispanic vote.

Of course, it won't make the Hispanic vote more Republican because no matter what Bush promises the Hispanics, the Democrats will always be able to promise more.
12 posted on 01/26/2004 4:10:49 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: sinkspur

So, adopt Tancredo's plan. (It's not that much different from Bush's.)

If Tancredo's guest worker plan is "not that much different" than the Bush Amnesty, why isn't Tancredo supporting the President's plan?

It'll shut him and his rabid followers up, and save massive amounts of bandwidth on Free Republic.

You think that Free Republic is the only place the Bush Amnesty is unpopular?


13 posted on 01/26/2004 4:11:13 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: Sabertooth
If Tancredo's guest worker plan is "not that much different" than the Bush Amnesty, why isn't Tancredo supporting the President's plan?

Ask him. He said he won't vote against Bush over this immigration issue.

14 posted on 01/26/2004 4:13:33 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: glock rocks
Jones, in a press release, said he and other lawmakers would consider alternative guest-worker legislation, as long as it does not reward lawbreakers with amnesty.

Translation: We have no intention of enforcing existing immigration laws. We will consider alternative guest-worker legislation as long as it ignores the laws the illegal aliens, et al have broken and as long as it doesn't call for deportation.

As Country Joe and the Fish once said... Gimme an F

15 posted on 01/26/2004 4:14:05 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Sabertooth
I would support Bush's plan if he also promised to vastly increase the size of Border agents in order to completely stop any future illegal immigration.

That way, we won't have to issue any future Amnesties to handle future Illegal Immigration.

But since this plan doesn't do enough to seal the borders I can't support it (Not that my support means anything...)
16 posted on 01/26/2004 4:15:03 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: Pubbie
The fact that Bush announced this at the very beggining of the year is a strong (But not certain) indicator that Bush knew this wouldn't pass Congress, so it might just be a last ditch effort to get the Hispanic vote.

Of course, it won't make the Hispanic vote more Republican because no matter what Bush promises the Hispanics, the Democrats will always be able to promise more.

And Amnesty will lose more votes for the GOP than it gains anyway.

I'm not convinced at all that this is Bush strategery. Everything in this President's political career poiints toward a sincere belief in him that legalizing Illegals is a good idea.

I don't know if he doesn't care if he loses votes, or if he thinks he can roll America like he rolled the UN.

Either way, the defeat of the Bush Amnesty needs to be so resounding that no politician ever contemplates such nonsense again.

"Killed in committee" until next year will not be sufficient.

And then we have to reelect him, with a sizable majority in Congress.


17 posted on 01/26/2004 4:16:54 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: yoe
bumperoonie
18 posted on 01/26/2004 4:17:00 PM PST by moehoward
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To: sinkspur
As I read Tancredo's plan, it differs from Bush's very little (times in the worker program and no amnesty). Is it acceptable to you?

It's a sin to tell a lie, and I know you don't mean to mislead anyone here.

So why don't you and everybody else go here to the official website for Tancredo's Four Point Plan and see just how it really differs from Bush's Plan.

19 posted on 01/26/2004 4:17:31 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: glock rocks
In a letter addressed to House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) and several other members of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus said they won't go along with the president's plan ..."

Walter B. Jones is my representative, and he is an excellent one. He also had the guts to vote AGAINST the Medicare drug boondoggle last fall.

20 posted on 01/26/2004 4:18:38 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: yoe
The discussion in progress. Thank goodness President Bush got it started. Now we shall see what the Congress will come up with. Hopefully, they will agree to give the President the money needed to secure the border!
21 posted on 01/26/2004 4:19:38 PM PST by TheDon (Have a Happy New Year!)
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To: yoe
The way I figure it, regardless of whether or not the title of this piece is correct, there are three not-so-reassuring possibilities as to why President Bush recently proposed amnesty for illegals:

1) President Bush to some degree believes in amnesty for illegal aliens.

2) President Bush does not believe in amnesty for illegal aliens but is attempting to use the proposal to attract the “Hispanic vote”.

3) President Bush believes in amnesty for illegal aliens *and* is attempting to use the proposal to attract the “Hispanic vote”.

Any others?
22 posted on 01/26/2004 4:20:39 PM PST by k2blader (Folks who deny the President's proposal is an amnesty are being intellectually dishonest.)
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To: AGreatPer
Watch what happens during his 2nd term. Complete reverse. But to do that, you must get elected the 2nd time.

Sorry, but I'm not voting for someone based on your prognostications.

23 posted on 01/26/2004 4:21:34 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: AGreatPer
you are right on...it's a calculated move by Rove...it'll work.
24 posted on 01/26/2004 4:22:03 PM PST by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: Map Kernow
There's a problem with your link.

Besides, I've read it.

25 posted on 01/26/2004 4:22:09 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Sabertooth
"Either way, the defeat of the Bush Amnesty needs to be so resounding that no politician ever contemplates such nonsense again.

"Killed in committee" until next year will not be sufficient."

How are you going to defeat it, without killing it in Committee?

If it is allowed to go before the House for a full vote, there is a chance it could pass (Depending on whether enough Democrats vote to support or reject it to offset the at least 70 House GOPers that are certain to vote "No").

Killing it in Committee is safer and quicker, but doesn't get the big media headlines a full rejection by the House would generate.
26 posted on 01/26/2004 4:22:38 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: DumpsterDiver
yea, much better to have a Viet Cong sympathizer in the White House...good move.
27 posted on 01/26/2004 4:23:43 PM PST by Keith (IT'S ABOUT THE JUDGES)
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To: sinkspur
*If Tancredo's guest worker plan is "not that much different" than the Bush Amnesty, why isn't Tancredo supporting the President's plan?

**Ask him. He said he won't vote against Bush over this immigration issue.

Misleading, and I suspect you know it.

Tancredo has said he supports Bush's reelection.

Tancredo hasn't said he wouldn't vote against the Bush Amnesty, if it came up.

I know, I know; your reply was sufficiently vague that it wasn't quite a falsehood. However, you're savvy enough to know that some folks would have taken a false inference from it, and having posted anyway, it doesn't appear you would have minded.

The reason Tancredo won't support the Bush Amnesty is precisely because it is quite different from his own guest worker plan, as you know and contrary to what you said at #4.


28 posted on 01/26/2004 4:24:33 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: yoe
"If we do not listen to our constituents on this matter, our influence and effectiveness in Congress could be jeopardized."... They had best listen to the people or THEIR jobs will be on the block.
29 posted on 01/26/2004 4:25:45 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: sinkspur
There's a problem with your link.

Oh, sorry, the link is http://www.house.gov/tancredo/Immigration/.

Besides, I've read it.

Have you really? Well, now others can.

30 posted on 01/26/2004 4:25:54 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: yoe
"...it will...create discontent amongst the Republican Party," the letter said

It will? I guess that's why they pay these guys the big bucks.

31 posted on 01/26/2004 4:27:17 PM PST by P.O.E. (Then sigh not so, But let them go, And be you blithe and bonny - Shakespeare)
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To: sinkspur
Reading is Fundamental.

Bush's amnesty is an amnesty. Under his scheme, people illegally in the United States get their illegal status legalized.

Under Tancredo's Bill, there is no amnesty. People illegally in the United States get nothing. Nada. (Nothing except more enforcement heat directed at them and their law-breaking employers).

Now (though I wish there wasn't) there is a guest worker provision in Tancredo's bill. Under that program, people living in another country may apply at US embassies for guest worker visas for certain jobs, allowing them to work in the USA for a maximum of one year out of any two. While illegal aliens now in the USA could conceivably leave the USA and apply for guest worker visas, they would be unlikely to get them because existing immigration law would penalize them for their illegal stays with exclusions of 3 to 10 years.

32 posted on 01/26/2004 4:27:40 PM PST by dagnabbit (Tell Bush where to put his Amnesty, Mexico-Merger, and Global Labor Pool for US jobs - Vote Tancredo)
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To: Keith
yea, much better to have a Viet Cong sympathizer in the White House...good move.

I said that I won't be voting for Bush based on the other poster's prognostications. And that is ALL I said.

33 posted on 01/26/2004 4:27:50 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: Pubbie
*"Either way, the defeat of the Bush Amnesty needs to be so resounding that no politician ever contemplates such nonsense again.

*"Killed in committee" until next year will not be sufficient."

**How are you going to defeat it, without killing it in Committee?

C'mon, I said ""Killed in committee" until next year will not be sufficient."

It's got to be killed as permanently as possible, not just tabled. Politicians of both parties need to be made to understand that the voters won't be trifled with on Illegals any longer.


34 posted on 01/26/2004 4:28:27 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: yoe
Republican Lawmakers Won’t Back Bush on Immigration

Woohoo!

35 posted on 01/26/2004 4:30:02 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: ilgipper
Make the proposal, knowing full well it would never happen

But we are already suffering the fallout of increased illegal immigration by its mere floating. But don't think that the proposal was a bluff. President Bush (and unnamed advisors) really want this. Maybe he doesn't want to be scolded again by Vincente Fox. By the way, where did Fox pick up that name?

36 posted on 01/26/2004 4:30:40 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: yoe
I think he's triangulating... he pleases Fox and the Latinos in California and he lets the conservatives in Congress beat up on him to appeal to the swing voters. I'm enough of a soccer mom to like the idea of amnesty and to feel sorry for the illegals. The difference is, I don't vote my "feelings."... but I am from that PTO, suburban atmosphere... I breathe it. I think it's part of the Rove/Bush genius. I guess when you boil it down, I like George Bush as much as any politician I've ever encountered and I trust him.
37 posted on 01/26/2004 4:31:29 PM PST by Mercat
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To: sinkspur
. . . and save massive amounts of bandwidth on Free Republic.

LOL. We are a passionate lot, huh?

38 posted on 01/26/2004 4:31:32 PM PST by geedee (Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.)
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To: yoe
Unfortunately, our whole Congressional delegation is all for the amnesty idea (sorry, Bush says it is not amnesty, but if it walks like a duck...etc.). I have sent my usual complaints to our idiot Reps, but no answer means they didn see or read my letters. Oh, the humanity!
39 posted on 01/26/2004 4:32:57 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (4)
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To: Pubbie
Border Patrol has an extremely tough job and perform admirably most of the time. I respect them more than any other federal emplyees save our military.
40 posted on 01/26/2004 4:33:40 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: yoe
Meanwhile continue the round up of aliens and visa abusers and deport them.

That's way too difficult. It would be better to crack down hard on the employers and cause the jobs to dry up. Without a job, they'll go home, and other won't be encouraged to come here in the first place.

I was talking to a Border Patrol agent a couple of days ago and he told me that with the Bush announcement, the flood gates are open. They're apprehending children, women, and old people, which they seldom saw earlier, and many of them are asking for amnesty as soon as they're caught. Many of the people in Mexico think amnesty is already here or just about to be granted. The smugglers, who make lots of money bringing these people across, aren't discouraging that thinking either.

41 posted on 01/26/2004 4:33:56 PM PST by John Jorsett
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To: Map Kernow
Here's a short sample from Tancredo's House web page on immigration (press releases). Emphasis is mine. http://www.house.gov/tancredo/newsroom/press/2004/2004_01_07.html "The President says he opposes amnesty but his plan is exactly that," noted Tancredo. "He tries to redefine amnesty as meaning a grant of citizenship, but that has never been the case. His plan will allow people already here illegally to gain access to legal status, and that is amnesty." "This proposal is disingenuous and misleading," Tancredo said. "Any genuine temporary worker program must require workers to apply for jobs from their home country and then return home at the end of employment." "The President's praise for the values brought to America by many generations of legal immigrants is a sentiment shared by all Americans," said Tancredo. “But this sentiment cannot justify allowing a continued flow of illegal aliens across our porous borders. The president’s proposals give only lip service to border control. Genuine border control must be achieved before any guest worker program can be given serious consideration."
42 posted on 01/26/2004 4:34:06 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules.)
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To: dagnabbit
While illegal aliens now in the USA could conceivably leave the USA and apply for guest worker visas, they would be unlikely to get them because existing immigration law would penalize them for their illegal stays with exclusions of 3 to 10 years.

America has no stomach to deport 10 million illegals, no matter what those with blinders on on this website think. Therefore, a compromise is obviously to allow those in this country NOW to apply for guest worker visas.

And, the one year could become two, as a compromise.

The basics of Tancredo's and Bush's plans are the same, it seems to me.

43 posted on 01/26/2004 4:34:38 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: Sabertooth
I don't know if he doesn't care if he loses votes,

Consider this:

Bush's proposal will have the greatest effect on California, even in proportion to Texas.

Bush has only an outside chance to win in California, even in light of Schwarzeneggers victory which spoke more to a focused, personalized hatred for Davis rather than a consuming love affair with conservative philosophies. A victory would be welcomed but his present strategy doesn't depend on California. Bush does however need the Hispanic vote in other key states.

It would not be wild speculation to assume that Rove doesn't, in fact, care if he losses conservative votes in California as long as he can swing the Hispanic votes in these key states.

44 posted on 01/26/2004 4:35:39 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: P.O.E.
It has created discontent within the Republican Party!
45 posted on 01/26/2004 4:35:52 PM PST by luvbach1 (In the know on the border)
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To: ilgipper
maybe, just maybe this was his plan. Make the proposal, knowing full well it would never happen.

George B. doesn't back off the agenda the trouble will be more immediate than we think.

Consider this... Bush announces plan.

The flood has already started at the border, the illegals are pouring in EVEN FASTER.

Bush's scamnesty does not make it through Congress.

The single apparent benefit of the Damnesty (IDing the illegals) does not occur.

The number of illegals has doubled in about a year, the border is STILL open, the illegals are NOT documented in any way.

I find it difficult to believe that the advisers to the President of the United States have not thought this through and told him there is a STRONG possibility that the scamnesty will not pass.

Yet GWB is still, in the face of overwhelming opposition, pushing the amnesty.

So, what's up with that?

46 posted on 01/26/2004 4:35:59 PM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: yoe
That's an interesting thought since Bush was governor of Texas. One would think he would know something of what is going on. Are you saying his eyes are closed to what goes on around him?
47 posted on 01/26/2004 4:36:19 PM PST by chouli
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To: yoe
"I honestly believe our President was badly misled by his advisors on this issue."

Oh, give it a rest, he's from Texas, think he never saw an illegal before?

For the last 3 years every f* up on Bush's watch was blamed on Clinton and Clinton holdovers,

Now we move on to Bush knows what he is doing, it's just "he was misled by his advisors."

It is about time to recognize the fact that "Bush" and "screw up" are terms that, sadly, too often go together, as do cause and effect.

48 posted on 01/26/2004 4:37:40 PM PST by John Beresford Tipton
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To: Pubbie
"Tom "Harder Vincente Harder" Ridge"

Er, would you mind explaining what that means?
49 posted on 01/26/2004 4:37:50 PM PST by Poundstone
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To: sinkspur
America has no stomach to deport 10 million illegals, no matter what those with blinders on on this website think

Don't need to deport 10 million.

About 10 thousand, combined with shutting off the benifits to non-citizens would get the message across.

50 posted on 01/26/2004 4:39:10 PM PST by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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