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To: WayneM
From your response to my post, I suspect you (or a friend or family member) own a business and employee illegals

Nope, no one I know. I was just commenting on how you are going to put through your new regulations. It's easy to spout off, let's go after the employers. What about native born Americans who work for that company. Do you want to throw them out on the street? Rush had had a caller yesterday, who smugly said, raise the prices. That ain't going to work. Business is in business to make money and in this highly competitive marketplace, raising prices is suicidal to a business, but what the hey we gotta get rid of the dirty immigrants who clean our toilets, wash our dishes, and make our beds in hotels. No matter their work ethic. Bush's proposal gives them a chance to go above ground, while not granting citizenship.

In closing it seems that you want a new beauracracy in the form of the IRS or OSHA. Isn't business regulated enough.

28 posted on 01/27/2004 9:38:58 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane
Business is in business to make money and in this highly competitive marketplace, raising prices is suicidal to a business, but what the hey we gotta get rid of the dirty immigrants who clean our toilets, wash our dishes, and make our beds in hotels. No matter their work ethic.

The problem is, neither the businesses nor the immigrants pay the full costs of immigration - the massive increase in educational costs from the influx of non-English speaking and special-needs children, the increase in crime, the increase in uninsured people needing health-care, etc.. Illegal immigrants don't generally earn enough to pay significant amounts of state tax; which means the rest of us pick up these costs. Thanks, but I'd rather see the meat-packing industry and the hotel industry pay higher wages to hire native-born Americans, and pay the higher prices for meat and hotel rooms, than pick up the tab in my tax bill.

34 posted on 01/27/2004 11:06:03 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Dane
I was just commenting on how you are going to put through your new regulations.

I believe there are already regulations on the books that prohibit hiring of illegal aliens. The solution lies not in new regulations, but with the proper enforcement of existing regulations. In many cases these existing regulations have been on the books for decades, so it’s not like something new is being sprung on anyone.

It's easy to spout off, let's go after the employers. What about native born Americans who work for that company. Do you want to throw them out on the street?

If a business cannot turn a profit while staying within the law, then it should go out of business. I work for a software company. If my company needed to sell crack in order to turn a profit, then maybe we should be shut down.

Rush had had a caller yesterday, who smugly said, raise the prices. That ain't going to work. Business is in business to make money and in this highly competitive marketplace, raising prices is suicidal to a business, but what the hey we gotta get rid of the dirty immigrants who clean our toilets, wash our dishes, and make our beds in hotels. No matter their work ethic.

Nobody can raise prices unilaterally. However, consider a labor market where all cleaning services use 50% illegal labor. If they are forced to give up the illegal labor, and then raise prices to compensate for the higher wages necessary to attract American workers, then they will all just have to bite the bullet and do it. But guess what – it is a level playing field and they will ALL have to do it. Therefore no one company is at a competitive disadvantage.

Bush's proposal gives them a chance to go above ground, while not granting citizenship.

Isn’t that just great. Forgiveness for past misdeeds such as entering illegally, plus all the financial and societal benefits of citizenship without any of the messy obligations. Lawbreakers and linebreakers are rewarded, businesses get their cheap labor subsidized by the American taxpayer – what a wonderful world this could be.

In closing it seems that you want a new beauracracy in the form of the IRS or OSHA. Isn't business regulated enough.

Once again – no need for a new bureaucracy. We already have federal agencies that are responsible for enforcing these laws. Except they have been told they cannot enforce them

All we need to do is untie the hands of existing agencies and personnel responsible for enforcing immigration. Once the first few crackdowns result in a few thousand fines of 10k-20K per illegal worker, businesses will begin to police themselves.
35 posted on 01/27/2004 11:07:25 AM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: Dane
Obviously, you don't know the tax laws concerning an employer's responsiblities regarding paying and reporting payroll taxes to various state/federal agencies otherwise you'd understand why there's such widespread vehement opposition to this idiocy. As someone who employs only Americans and pay all my required payroll taxes, it infuriates me to no end seeing all these other businesses openly breaking federal law by employing and EVADING their tax duty by hiring illegals. Where in the hell is it written that it's Ok to have a double standard in this country when it comes to enforcement of employment laws? Either we have equality under the law or a banana republic....what do you care to live in?
36 posted on 01/27/2004 11:09:39 AM PST by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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