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To: CMAC51
Nice try, but no prize. Delving deeper into your "legal" vernacular. A condition is different from a penalty.

President Bush used the term "one-time fee."

"Penalty" is yours.

Fees are certainly conditions.

Requiring them to pay a fee based solely on the their illegal status is a penalty.

When I go to a campground, I pay a fee. It's not a penalty.

Now, since we've gotten past amnesty.

Guess again. You're not being honest with yourself.

Splitting hairs about penalties, fees, conditions, etc., ain't gonna cut it. The Bush Amnesty function essentially as the Reagan Amnesty did. That's your bottom line.

Guest worker programs are fine, so long as they aren't trojan horses to legalize millions of Illegal Aliens.

That's Amnesty.


39 posted on 01/27/2004 12:19:54 PM PST by Sabertooth (Take the Reagan Amnesty Pop Quiz! - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065553/posts)
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To: Sabertooth
The essence of this argument is the dissolution of the United States as a nation. Surrendering control of borders has already handed the future of this country over to forces outside of our laws. I believe I read the flood of all immigration into this country has increased 70 per cent in about ten years. It is rapidly making the nation ungovernable because the cost to control the mess created by this invasion cannot be borne by taxpayers.

We are rapidly becoming an ungovernable country in which foreigners have every advantage and so-called "citizens" bear every burden.

Every American city in which illegal immigrants have congregated has nearly insurmountable social, criminal, educational and health problems because of it. The media won't talk about it but it's there and it's true.

If illegal immigration was good for this country, we'd be seeing its benefits in cities from El Paso to Los Angeles where the hordes congregate. The truth is, those places are becoming un-American, blighted, gang-ravaged and dangerous communities exactly like those of the third world.

If we do nothing, America goes away...SOON! Our patriots of old would be rolling in their graves to know they sacrificed so much so sovereignty would be surrendered by cowards of this era.

It is not "compassionate" to allow people to break the law. It is not "compassionate" to ask taxpayers to provide medical care for trespassers when the taxpayers cannot afford the same medical care themselves. It is not "compassionate" to turn American cities into third-world crapholes because the people in charge are being paid off by exploiters of human labor. It is not the president's job to be "compassionate" to those who break the law. He is the top cop and he should be throwing the bastards out of the country according to the federal law he has sworn to uphold.

Deportation is not only possible, it is the only solution to the problem. The moment a serious and massive deportation begins, many illegals will leave voluntarily and we will be on the road toward recovering a legal foundation and our sovereignty. Seventy per cent, or more, of the American people want illegal aliens thrown out. They would be glad to assist our government in enforcing this activity.

Illegal immigration is wrong, it's immoral, it's unlawful and it will ultimately and certainly destroy the United States of America if it is not stopped. There is simply no viable alternative to stopping it if we want to survive as a nation.

46 posted on 01/27/2004 5:04:42 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Sabertooth
That's Amnesty.

Naw, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is !!!

What utter horsepoop the "not amnesty" folks are trying to sell. I thought we got rid of that with Klinton.

58 posted on 01/28/2004 9:19:06 AM PST by jimt
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