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To: Dane
No need to mention the plan. Good plans have been mentioned from MANY quarters MANY times before. The answer has been presented time after time in thread after thread.

You don't deport them. You set up the circumstances so they leave of their own free will.

It is already a federal felony to knowingly hire an illegal alien. A pattern of committing felonies is organized crime, covered by RICO.

If employers know they will a) go to jail, b) pay thousands or millions in fines, and c) possibly lose their business if privately held, they will quit hiring illegals. With no jobs they will go home without being evicted. This process can be helped along by denying them things such as driver's licenses, welfare benefits, and citizenship rights for children born of parents here illegally (anchor children).

It is really very simple. When someone ignores the obvious and tries to make this difficult, it causes me to believe they don't want a resolution to the problem

I don't see a platitude - just the truth.

It is obvious to me with this issue that there are those here at FR who a) don't see a problem with the number of illegals in the country, or b) approve of the number of illegals in this country. Perhaps your case would be better served by telling the truth about how you feel on the subject of immigration control, rather than saying it (control) can't be done.
4 posted on 01/27/2004 1:17:43 AM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: WayneM
If employers know they will a) go to jail, b) pay thousands or millions in fines, and c) possibly lose their business if privately held, they will quit hiring illegals. With no jobs they will go home without being evicted. This process can be helped along by denying them things such as driver's licenses, welfare benefits, and citizenship rights for children born of parents here illegally (anchor children).

It is really very simple. When someone ignores the obvious and tries to make this difficult, it causes me to believe they don't want a resolution to the problem

So you would bankrupt businesses and put native born Americans out of work in the process.

Rush had a caller who smugly said that businesses could raise prices. I guess he didn't own a business. Rush put it very bluntly. Busineses are not in business to employ people, but to make money. I guess you are for a new government regulatory agency such as the IRS to regulate the millions of legitimate businesses for their crime of finding people who will work hard and do good things such as roof houses, clean toilets, and make beds in hotels.

What's the name of your regulatory agency, the Business Purity Administration?

5 posted on 01/27/2004 1:25:38 AM PST by Dane
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To: WayneM
Dittos to all your points.
9 posted on 01/27/2004 2:47:41 AM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: WayneM
No need to mention the plan. Good plans have been mentioned from MANY quarters MANY times before. The answer has been presented time after time in thread after thread.

You don't deport them. You set up the circumstances so they leave of their own free will.

It is already a federal felony to knowingly hire an illegal alien. A pattern of committing felonies is organized crime, covered by RICO.

If employers know they will a) go to jail, b) pay thousands or millions in fines, and c) possibly lose their business if privately held, they will quit hiring illegals. With no jobs they will go home without being evicted. This process can be helped along by denying them things such as driver's licenses, welfare benefits, and citizenship rights for children born of parents here illegally (anchor children).

It is really very simple. When someone ignores the obvious and tries to make this difficult, it causes me to believe they don't want a resolution to the problem

I don't see a platitude - just the truth.

It is obvious to me with this issue that there are those here at FR who a) don't see a problem with the number of illegals in the country, or b) approve of the number of illegals in this country. Perhaps your case would be better served by telling the truth about how you feel on the subject of immigration control, rather than saying it (control) can't be done.

I highly disapprove of illegal immigration. Given a viable method I would deport every one of them tomorrow. That being said, I am realistic enough to acknowledge "viable" is the key issue.

What you say is simple is quite the opposite. By law an employer is required to verify a potential employee is eligible to be hired. The potential employee must present 2 of a possible 24 items to verify eligibility. If presented, the employer cannot be held liable for the status of that employee. Even if one of the items is a pathetic forgery, the employer is still absolved because the letter of the law has been complied with. There is no requirement that the employer verify that the item is not a forgery, primarily because of court rulings involving discrimination.

Now if you have a plan for employers actually verifying the validity of documents that will pass challenge in the courts, THEN, perhaps the process becomes simple. Until you can present such plans, perhaps you should be more careful of your indictments of people's motives.

Incidently, denying citizenship to anyone born within the borders of the United States would require a constitutional ammendment (Article XIV, Section 1). Ammending the constitution is simple?

21 posted on 01/27/2004 9:23:58 AM PST by CMAC51
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