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ZOT!!! The Congressman Who Cried Wolf
Sam Dealy, NOT

Posted on 01/27/2004 9:03:57 AM PST by Theocracysucks

The Congressman Who Cried Wolf

Every red-blooded American has heard of the little boy who cried wolf. It’s a story of a young shepherd who used the people’s fear of wolves to get attention. He cried wolf when there was none and laughed as the people scurried to stop an imagined threat. Congressman Bob Ney is like this little shepherd.

Congressman Ney was quoted in an article entitled “Terrorists plan DC Fund Raiser” in “The Hill” magazine. His accusations implied an Al-Quida like front group was planning the destruction of the American way of life right under our noses. He is crying wolf to be sure.

I attended the event to get an up close look at these horrible terrorist and defend my countries honor if need be. Every participant and speaker seemed to respect the war on terror but did not agree that the MEK should be on the list of terrorist organizations. They have worked hard within the system to correct what they believe is wrong. After hearing what these speakers had to say, Bob Ney’s campaign reminded me of Senator Joe McCarthy and his destructive witch-hunt for communists.

But McCarthy was working for the United States and his ideological zealotry was founded in the correct assertion that personal liberty and a free market economy are what we are fighting for. Joe McCarthy’s war was for the right reason but I tend to disagree with witch-hunt tactics. Bob Ney on the other hand is not an ideological zealot and although he represents the people of Ohio, he is not working for them. He is a man on a mission to build a relationship with America’s number one enemy in the war on terror, Iran.

Sources suggest Ney’s relationship with Iran goes beyond his ability to speak Farsi. Ney has met with several high-ranking officials in the Islamic Republic of Iran and his staff regularly travels to and from Iran. “Not all of congressman Ney’s staff are citizens of the United States and a link to the Iranian government is apparent” said one US official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Ney has gone out on a limb for his friends in Tehran. If Ney had hoped to shut the event down, he could not. If Ney was trying to catch a slick bunch of terrorist, he blew any element of surprise. Ney’s official responsibilities have nothing to do with foreign affairs so why is he in the press requesting investigations into terrorism. I suppose only John Ashcroft can answer that.

What do you think about Ney shielding the Iranian regime from Iranian Americans who want a regime change?


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1 posted on 01/27/2004 9:04:00 AM PST by Theocracysucks
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To: Theocracysucks
WELCOME to FR.
2 posted on 01/27/2004 9:06:22 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: Theocracysucks
bttt
3 posted on 01/27/2004 9:07:26 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Appease "my-way-or-the-highway" conservatives. Build new roads.)
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To: Theocracysucks; meowmeow; Constitution Day; 4mycountry; Poohbah; Grampa Dave; ...
Signed up today to post this, eh? Nice little dig at Ashcroft at the end -- completely unrelated to the pointless rambling of the rest of the article. Welcome to FR I suppose. I guess your contributions to the discussions on this and other threads will indicate whether you are here as a participant or just a troll.
4 posted on 01/27/2004 9:11:43 AM PST by VRWCmember (Dick Gephardt is a <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure </a>)
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To: Theocracysucks
This thread has the ad for that fundraiser for Bam and regime change in Iran. Two worthy causes, but as we know sometimes worthy sounding causes are not what they seem.

I notice that the iran-solidarity.org domain, which was the website of the group hosting that fundraiser, is registered to the same guy who resistered the domain for the political arm of Rajavi's group, and the same guy who registered a website for Rajavi's defense (awfully similar to the Free Mumia websites).

Not only did the same guy register all of them, they all are hosted on the exact same machine.

People can read all about Rajavi's group here. A leftist cult that is on the terrorist organization list published by the State Department.

5 posted on 01/27/2004 9:13:08 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: Theocracysucks; Zavien Doombringer; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; VRWCmember; Poohbah; dighton; ...
I suppose only John Ashcroft can answer that.

Trolling for dollars?

6 posted on 01/27/2004 9:14:41 AM PST by mhking
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To: William McKinley
You're good.
7 posted on 01/27/2004 9:15:26 AM PST by glock rocks (molon labe)
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To: Theocracysucks
Focus

Keep the faith and hang in there,
We need you, don’t lose sight.
Your support and yes your vote,
Will make this come out right.
It’s early yet but time moves fast,
So please don’t wait too long.
Let’s pull together once again,
To make our country strong.
Kerry, Clark, or Howard Dean,
Who knows which one will be.
The one the democrats will pick,
To be their nominee.
The lucky winner gets to run,
A race he cannot win.
Yes come November Oh Oh Four,
George Bush it is again!

Conspiracy Guy 1/27/04
8 posted on 01/27/2004 9:18:24 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (This tagline was produced by outsourced labor in India.)
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To: Theocracysucks
What a batch of goat dung custard you cooked for us today, little troll.
9 posted on 01/27/2004 9:19:34 AM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: glock rocks; DoctorZIn
The Freepers who post often in support of the regime change movement in Iran are unanimous in their repudiation of the MEK.
10 posted on 01/27/2004 9:22:01 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
Thanks for all the welcome notes - I've been reading FR for some time and have wanted to join up and say something but didn't feel inspired until now.

The event was seriously pro Rajavi - No question about it - It was not cult like at all, Richard Perle spoke, you know the guy, wrote "an end to evil, how to win the war on terror".

This event hosted 5000 people and was calling for regime cange in Iran. There was a pro shah poet there who is calling for action.

Bob Ney tried to shut it down and that pisses me off.

To be on the list of terrorist does not suggest we should stop paying attention to what they have to say. Read what Hezbolah has to say - they expose their idiocy in seconds. Listen to what was said at this event and you aren't likely to say these people support a terrorist cult.

that is just funny.

My interest in the story comes from the NCR exposing Iran's nuclear secrets. What have they gotten for sparking the IAEA investigations? Nothing but crap from people like Ney.
11 posted on 01/27/2004 9:22:35 AM PST by Theocracysucks
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To: DoctorZIn
Pinging our resident Iran expert. What, if anything, do you make of this?
12 posted on 01/27/2004 9:22:57 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: Theocracysucks
A poem for you:

You came here to troll,
And you acted like a mole
You may think it's funny,
But you owe JimRob some money
Before you crawl back to your hole.
13 posted on 01/27/2004 9:23:41 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Appease "my-way-or-the-highway" conservatives. Build new roads.)
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To: Theocracysucks
Ney is my Congressman, and I had never before heard of him trying to protect the Iranian theocratic regime. This assertion comes as a bit of a shock, but if it is true it should be exposed. If you have any more on this aspect of Ney's activities please let me know.
14 posted on 01/27/2004 9:24:04 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Theocracysucks
. “Not all of congressman Ney’s staff are citizens of the United States and a link to the Iranian government is apparent” said one US official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Considering you wrote this "article" yourself, the least you could do is not pretend to be a journalist and use phrases like "spoke on condition of anonymity." It just makes it obvious you made up the whole allegation.

15 posted on 01/27/2004 9:24:27 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: Theocracysucks
So basically your point is that they put on a pretty face for you at that event, so no one should point out who they are or what they are about.

Sorry, I am not into that. Sinn Fein can appear reasonable at their fundraisers as well. It doesn't change the fact that they are reprehensible.

16 posted on 01/27/2004 9:24:30 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: Theocracysucks; 4mycountry; ctlpdad; jriemer; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer
South Park-level ZOT!!


17 posted on 01/27/2004 9:24:35 AM PST by TheBigB (I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.)
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To: Theocracysucks
Every participant and speaker seemed to respect the war on terror but did not agree that the MEK should be on the list of terrorist organizations.

Catch me up here. What's the MEK?

18 posted on 01/27/2004 9:24:39 AM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: dubyaismypresident
See my post #5, including this link.
19 posted on 01/27/2004 9:26:21 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: theDentist
Debate with me, This can degrade into a name calling match but I don't see the point. I served my country and still do... The war on terror is real and unfortunatly not too many of our cold war vets are up for the chalenge.

Call me a troll......

You've got to be kidding
20 posted on 01/27/2004 9:26:29 AM PST by Theocracysucks
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To: mhking; Poohbah
Dunno, but I have a hard time with a couple of the listings. Any group going after the Iranian mullahs is not one I'd place on the same list as al-Qaeda. Nor would I put a group headed by a man who helped rip apart the infrastructure of Pablo Escobar's drug cartel on the crap list, particularly when it is operating AGAINST terrorist groups thta have killed American citizens (specifically, the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, also known as the AUC).

Someone wants to take a few potshots at the Iranian mullahs who sponsor terrorist groups, more power to `em. Maybe they'll get lucky and save us the time, money, effort, and hassle of regime change.
21 posted on 01/27/2004 9:26:39 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO)
a.k.a. The National Liberation Army of Iran (NLA, the militant wing of the MEK), the People's Mujahidin of Iran (PMOI), National Council of Resistance (NCR), Muslim Iranian Student's Society (front organization used to garner financial support)

Description
Formed in the 1960s by the college-educated children of Iranian merchants, the MEK sought to counter what it perceived as excessive Western influence in the Shah's regime. Following a philosophy that mixes Marxism and Islam, has developed into the largest and most active armed Iranian dissident group. Its history is studded with anti-Western activity, and, most recently, attacks on the interests of the clerical regime in Iran and abroad.

Activities
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran. In April 1992 conducted attacks on Iranian embassies in 13 different countries, demonstrating the group's ability to mount large-scale operations overseas. The normal pace of anti-Iranian operations increased during the "Operation Great Bahman" in February 2000, when the group claimed it launched a dozen attacks against Iran. During the remainder of the year, the MEK regularly claimed that its members were involved in mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids on Iranian military, law enforcement units, and government buildings near the Iran-Iraq border. The MEK also claimed six mortar attacks on civilian government and military buildings in Tehran.

Strength
Several thousand fighters based in Iraq with an extensive overseas support structure. Most of the fighters are organized in the MEK's National Liberation Army (NLA).

Location/Area of Operation
In the 1980s the MEK's leaders were forced by Iranian security forces to flee to France. Most resettled in Iraq by 1987. In the mid-1980s the group did not mount terrorist operations in Iran at a level similar to its activities in the 1970s. In the 1990s, however, the MEK claimed credit for an increasing number of operations in Iran.

External Aid
Beyond support from Iraq, the MEK uses front organizations to solicit contributions from expatriate Iranian communities.
22 posted on 01/27/2004 9:30:04 AM PST by Theocracysucks
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To: Rudder
Ney is my Congressman, and I had never before heard of him trying to protect the Iranian theocratic regime.

IIRC, he supported an anti-Iranian insurgency group -- the MEK, I guess -- until he came to the conclusion that they were, well, a BAD insurgency group that the govt. lists as a terrorist org. If it's the same group that I'm thinking of, it has -- or had -- other supporters in Congress, including Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, but the pendulum has definitely swung from "debatably good insurgency" to "debatably? bad terrorist".

23 posted on 01/27/2004 9:33:38 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: Theocracysucks; Poohbah; mhking; section9; Howlin; BOBTHENAILER; Dog; Luis Gonzalez
These guys are going after a state sponsor of terrorism? And we have them on the same list as Hezbollah and al-Qaeda?

State Department logic is a strange thing, is it not?

I shouldn't be surprised, given the crap treatment Carlos Castano got...
24 posted on 01/27/2004 9:34:02 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: William McKinley
bump post 5.
26 posted on 01/27/2004 9:36:56 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: hchutch
These guys are going after a state sponsor of terrorism? And we have them on the same list as Hezbollah and al-Qaeda?

Looks like they're anti-Western terrorists attacking Iran. Perhaps they want Iran to be more radical?

27 posted on 01/27/2004 9:37:11 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: Theocracysucks
Where was this published?
28 posted on 01/27/2004 9:37:44 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Theocracysucks
What does democracy in Iran have to do with the United States?

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake

30 posted on 01/27/2004 9:40:02 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.")
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To: Theocracysucks
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran.
Yep. Those would be them.
Beyond support from Iraq, the MEK uses front organizations to solicit contributions from expatriate Iranian communities.
Now think real hard about the event you just attended and spoke so fondly about.

And for those who doubt if this is the same group, please see this website and this ad hosted on their website.

Now do a ping on that website to see what machine is hosting it. Notice it is 66.117.154.14.

Now check out the website of the political arm of Rajavi's group/MEK. And do a ping on it. Notice the IP is the same. And do the same for the Rajavi defense website, and it's ping. Same machine.

You can do a WHOIS lookup too, and will see they were all registered by the same person.

And again, for emphasis, what you posted:

Beyond support from Iraq, the MEK uses front organizations to solicit contributions from expatriate Iranian communities.

31 posted on 01/27/2004 9:40:02 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: JohnnyZ; All
A GOOGLE search turned up the following:

Ambassador Cofer Black, Coordinator for Counterterrorism
Remarks at On-the-Record Briefing on the Release of the Annual Patterns of Global Terrorism 2002 report
Washington, DC
April 30, 2003...

.... QUESTION: What does the State Department think about the ceasefire that was signed between the MEK and the U.S., U.S. CENTCOM, in Iraq? Since this group is still on the terrorist list, as I understand it, Americans are not supposed to deal with them at all. And that's always been kind of a -- there is a problem in Washington, D.C., because they keep an office open here. So can you tell me how this squares with the MEK's terrorist status?

AMBASSADOR BLACK: Sure, I'll be happy to, happy to try. The Secretary has recommended that the President determine that the laws that apply to countries that support terrorism no longer apply to Iraq. The President's determination to provide greater flexibility in permitting certain types of trade with and assistance to Iraq; thus, we can treat Iraq like any other country not on the terrorist list.

I think it's important to underscore some facts here. MEK is designated by the U.S. Government as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. This organization mixes Islam and Marxism in their battle to establish what they claim would be a secular state in Iran.

Until the recent war in Iraq, they were allied with the government of Saddam Hussein and received most of their support from this regime. They have assisted the Hussein regime in suppressing opposition within Iraq, and performed internal security for the Iraqi regime. MEK, or as some recently referred to as the People's Mujahedin, has also attacked and killed Americans.

The MEK and its many aliases, including the political NCRI, are designated as Foreign Terrorist Organizations. The United States Government does not negotiate with terrorists. MEK's opposition to the Iranian Government does not change the fact that they are a terrorist organization. We understand the agreement on the ground in the field is a prelude to the group's surrender. Commanders make tactical decisions to end conflict with enemy combatants successfully.

There's a lot of activity in various areas underway in Iraq -- of which this is one -- I would refer you to CENTCOM and their briefers to get better insight to the decision-making and the actions of our commanders, coalition commanders on the ground.

This is a pretty special group. They are a Foreign Terrorist Organization. They are not well liked in Iraq; they could not be put with the general prisoner population. They are following the orders of the coalition commanders, and their situation will be addressed in the coming days and weeks.




Bob Ney’s letter to The Hill

From Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio):
Recent statements by the Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK) through a paid full-page advertisement and a letter to the editor of The Hill contain outright lies, exaggerations and deceptions.

The MEK uses dozens of pseudonyms, such as the National Council of Resistance and the People’s Movement of Iran, to hide contributions and spread its propaganda. In fact, because of the MEK’s long association with and support for Saddam Hussein’s regime, the former Iraqi information minister may very well have been the one who taught the MEK his craft of making false statements in the face of incontrovertible facts.

That the MEK continues to peddle its lies should not be a surprise to those who are aware of the group. Both the Clinton and Bush administrations placed it on the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations since the early 1990s. The MEK remains alongside groups such as al Qaeda and Hamas to this day.

Contrary to the MEK’s claims, and unfortunately ignored by the few members of Congress who still support them, the MEK’s headquarters, at least before the U.S. bombing of Iraq, was just 40 kilometers west of Baghdad.

In fact, the U.S. State Department notes Saddam Hussein himself paid for the headquarters. In addition, several news organizations have reported the MEK’s leader, Masud Rajavi, had been living in the home of Iraqi Gen. Ali-Hassan al-Majid, otherwise known as “Chemical Ali.” That residence recently met the same fate as two MEK bases in Iraq when coalition bombs destroyed them.

In the face of so much documented evidence, it is astonishing for the MEK and a few members of Congress to claim the support of 150 fellow representatives. There is only one reason that the MEK repeatedly refuses to disclose a current list of Congressional supporters: It does not exist.

At one point, it may have; in fact, when MEK representatives first visited my office several years ago, preaching democracy for Iran, I was glad to join them in what appeared to be their effort. However, I quickly discovered that the MEK are not the proponents of democracy they claim to be but are in fact documented terrorists with a history of killing American citizens and supporting Saddam Hussein. Today, no more than a handful of members supports the MEK, and even that number is dwindling.

Contrary to recent statements by the MEK, which to this day has never publicly repudiated Saddam Hussein, I say: I have never supported, and will never support, the current regime in Iran . I don’t support MEK either. There is no such thing as a good terrorist and there certainly is no such thing as our terrorist.

Source: http://www.iran-interlink.org/files/child%20pages/American%20Views.htm
32 posted on 01/27/2004 9:40:16 AM PST by mountaineer
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To: JohnnyZ
Their attacks in the past killed Americans, but they seem to have shifted course. Hell, we're giving Qaddafi a second chance, and he did stuff that was far worse, IMO.
33 posted on 01/27/2004 9:43:57 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: mountaineer
At one point, it may have; in fact, when MEK representatives first visited my office several years ago, preaching democracy for Iran, I was glad to join them in what appeared to be their effort. However, I quickly discovered that the MEK are not the proponents of democracy they claim to be

Damn I have a good memory!

34 posted on 01/27/2004 9:44:56 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("This is our most desperate hour. Help me Diane Sawyer. You're my only hope." -- Howard Dean)
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To: hchutch
These guys are going after a state sponsor of terrorism? And we have them on the same list as Hezbollah and al-Qaeda?
Gee, I can hardly understand why...
Worldwide campaign against the Iranian Government stresses propaganda and occasionally uses terrorist violence. During the 1970s the MEK staged terrorist attacks inside Iran and killed several US military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran. Supported the takeover in 1979 of the US Embassy in Tehran.

35 posted on 01/27/2004 9:45:26 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: hchutch
Last I saw, we weren't having fundraisers for Qaddafi. And if the MEK has abandoned its leftist principles is certainly debateable, but without question they have every characteristic of a cult.
36 posted on 01/27/2004 9:47:27 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
In the 1970s, they did. In the 1970s and 1980s, Muammar Qaddafi was providing terrorists safe haven, money, and support for attacks, inclduing the bombing of a Belrin disco intended to kill Americans.

They have apparently shifted course in the 1990s - and they could be useful if we wanted to launch some attacks on Iran with "plausible deniability" in the near future. If Qaddafi is redeemable, then this group arguably is as well.
37 posted on 01/27/2004 9:49:17 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: hchutch
Read my article on the Cult of Rajavi. If you still think, after reading it, that there is a chance that this group could somehow be redeemable, well, we're just going to have to disagree.

And if they still belong on the terror list or not, it doesn't change the fact that they are using humanitarian-sounding events as fundraisers for their cult. This should not be supported. It should be repudiated.

38 posted on 01/27/2004 9:53:00 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
Can't always pick allies. Heck, some of the folks who were in Los Pepes, and who ripped apart the Medellin drug cartel's infrastructure weren't exactly angels, either.

The MEK could be useful. I'd at least hope someone in CIA or DIA is looking into options on that front.
39 posted on 01/27/2004 9:57:25 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: William McKinley
It seems as if some discussions have occured based on that other thread.

This paragraph seems to say a lot, IMHO:
"After the negotiations with the Mujahedeen, it was reported that Odierno said he thought that the group's commitment to democracy in Iran meant its status as a terrorist organization should be reviewed. There are also Senate staff members, Pentagon officials and even some people in the State Department who have said that if all the Mujahedeen is doing is fighting the 'evil regime' in Iran, it quite likely that it will be removed from the State Department's terrorist list. 'There is a move afoot among Pentagon hard-liners,' one administration official said, 'to use them as an opposition in the future.' Recently Brownback submitted an Iran Democracy Act modeled on the Iraqi Liberation Act, which would set aside $50 million to help opposition groups overthrow the regime. The Mujahedeen, their U.S. supporters say, has provided the United States with key intelligence on Iran's nuclear program. One Congressional staff member working close to the issue said that there was a national security directive circulating 'that includes a proposal for limited surgical strikes against the Iranian regime's nuclear facilities. We would be remiss if we did not use the Mujahedeen to identify exactly what the Iranians have and in the longer term, to facilitate regime change.'"

If you want intelligence on what bad guys are up to, you often have to talk to other guys who might be not-so-bad as the bad guys. Mother Teresa's organization won't have info on who is a terrorist.
40 posted on 01/27/2004 10:06:13 AM PST by hchutch (Why did the Nazgul run from Arwen's flash flood? All they managed to do was to end up dying tired.)
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To: VRWCmember; Theocracysucks; 4mycountry; ctlpdad; TheBigB; Zavien Doombringer; Fierce Allegiance; ...
... I guess your contributions to the discussions on this and other threads will indicate whether you are here as a participant or just a troll.

To Troll or not to Troll ? ...

Theocracysucks
This account has been banned or suspended.

Guess that answers that question, huh ? ...

Viking Kittens - Led Zeppelin - Immigrant Song


41 posted on 01/27/2004 10:11:30 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out this HILARIOUS story !! haha!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1060580/posts)
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To: William McKinley
Great info, William. Do you know if this was the same group of Iranians that were raided in France...and who set themselves on fire? I recall this story from last year and couldn't get a clear picture if these were people we should be supporting...or if we should've been pissed at the French for rousting a pro-democratic Iranian movement. I remember there was a lot of confusion about just who these Iranians were, at that time. Was it this MEK group?
42 posted on 01/27/2004 10:14:44 AM PST by cwb (Dean = Dr. Jeckyll exposing his Hyde)
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To: Theocracysucks; MeekOneGOP; Darksheare; radu

BYE BYE, Theocracysucks!!
Have a ZOTTING GOOD DAY!

43 posted on 01/27/2004 10:52:52 AM PST by Soaring Feather (~ I do Poetry ~)
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To: Theocracysucks
Did you expect to attend a meeting where the Speakers would expound on the glories of Allah, and the honors of killing American soldiers, or innocent men, women, and children? Obviously no one would support such a group (except, perhaps, some extremist liberals). No, the speakers would try to be logical, respectful, while raising doubts of the war's roots. People generally don't, after all, provide money to someone acting the bloodthirsty bomb-thrower. But they might give money to someone who appears reasonable, even if you have doubts.It is in their interest to appear docile.

Then of course, you attempt to tar Ney by accusing him of being McCarthyite, a zealot, someone with no oversight to question a group's connections. You attempt to undercut his integrity by insinuating he is somehow in cahootes with "America’s number one enemy in the war on terror, Iran."

Pot. Kettle. Black.

44 posted on 01/27/2004 11:02:03 AM PST by theDentist (Boston: So much Liberty, you can buy a Politician already owned by someone else.)
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To: Theocracysucks

ZOT!

45 posted on 01/27/2004 11:02:19 AM PST by SquirrelKing (a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: cwboelter
Yes, same group.
46 posted on 01/27/2004 11:04:29 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: hchutch
If they would be, or would not be, useful is secondary to my point, which is that this was not some harmless humanitarian fundraiser.

And given how they were aiding Saddam right up until the toppling of his regime, including in attacks against the Kurds, I am not sure that I can buy the idea that they turned a new leaf.

47 posted on 01/27/2004 11:06:19 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: hchutch
status as a terrorist organization should be reviewed
Recently, they sued along with another group to get their name off the terror list.

One of the attorneys arguing the case on their side was Ramsey Clark.

FWIW

48 posted on 01/27/2004 11:08:12 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: William McKinley
One of the attorneys arguing the case on their side was Ramsey Clark.

Case closed. That pro-Saddam nutberger won't represent anyone who doesn't hate America.

49 posted on 01/27/2004 11:14:27 AM PST by colorado tanker ("There are but two parties now, Traitors and Patriots")
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To: Theocracysucks
Punish!!
50 posted on 01/27/2004 11:42:35 AM PST by Darksheare (Surrender, then start your engines.)
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