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William and Mary Allows 2nd Bake Sale- Cites Technicality
College of William and Mary Website ^ | 1/27/04 | Timothy Sullivan

Posted on 01/27/2004 8:47:32 PM PST by maluka23

William and Mary is strongly committed to freedom of expression under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. For that reason, the College has approved the request of a student group calling itself the Sons of Liberty to conduct a protest against affirmative action in the University Center. A similar event, held last semester, did not meet the administrative requirements we routinely impose on such activities. The application for Tuesday’s event did.

The right to freedom of expression belongs to every member of this community, including the President. I am exercising that right by writing this letter. Members of the Sons of Liberty have announced their views on the subject of affirmative action, which I do not share. They are entitled to their opinion, however mistaken I believe it to be.

What I find personally offensive is the manner in which they have chosen to express their views. The "bake sale" with racially differentiated prices that they hold today is inexcusably hurtful to members of this community whose presence here is welcome and critically important to the quality of our life together. Those who have chosen this abusive method of self-expression will have not a few occasions in later life to look back with regret on what they have done.

The wealth of skills, talents, backgrounds, races and interests our students bring to campus is itself an important element in our learning environment. Every student admitted to the College of William and Mary is qualified to be here. Our students’ record of success demonstrates that conclusively.

As a university community, we take the actions of the Sons of Liberty in the spirit of Jefferson’s comment about freedom of thought: “Here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error, as long as reason is left free to combat it.”

Timothy J. Sullivan President


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: academia; affirmativeaction; bakesale; college; freespeech; generationy; mary; protest; sonsofliberty; sullivan; timothysullivan; university; wandm; william; williamandmary
Sullivan released this position paper in response to the 2nd bake sale of the Libertarian group the Sons of Liberty. W&M administrators shut down a previous sale in November. Information on that sale can be found here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021855/posts

Sullivan's citation of a technicality completely contradicts Asst. VP Mark Constantine's comments that the first sale was shut down because of the sale's price scheme. The second sale was nearly identical. FIRE plans to issue a press release any day now.

1 posted on 01/27/2004 8:47:33 PM PST by maluka23
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To: maluka23
The "bake sale" university with racially differentiated prices admission that they hold exists today is inexcusably hurtful to members of this community whose presence here is welcome and critically important to the quality of our life together.
2 posted on 01/27/2004 8:53:45 PM PST by July 4th (George W. Bush, Avenger of the Bones)
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To: maluka23
Timothy J. Sullivan President

What an @ss!

3 posted on 01/27/2004 8:54:37 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: maluka23
If I hadn't withdrawn from this semester to go to Afghanistan I'd be right in there with these guys. My girlfriend lives in Landrum Hall so I think I'll take her over there. Hee hee.
4 posted on 01/27/2004 8:56:32 PM PST by Live free or die
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To: maluka23
What's more troubling is that despite repeated attempts by Sons of Liberty and others outside of the group to contact Sam Sadler and Mark Constantine to get a straight answer from them as to what policy Sons of Liberty violated at the first sale, no such answer was given. Constantine stated that referring to the Student Handbook (after he used it to censor the first sale) was 'conterproductive.' Sam Sadler was evasive and played dumb when confronted with specific demands for what policies the College used to suppress the first sale.

Now, at a second sale meant where Sons of Liberty were standing up for free speech and right to engage in satirical protest (i.e. the first sale) Sullivan comes out saying that not only was the College justified in shutting down the first sale, but that it was justified based on some mysterious policy that the administration itself still has not specified in almost three months of inquiry.

This is absolutely ridiculous. As maluka23 said, look for a FIRE update in the next day or two pertaining to this. If Sullivan insists that he protects the First Amendment while then defending censorship on a ghost policy, he is at best a hypocrite. This isn't over yet.
5 posted on 01/27/2004 9:04:21 PM PST by SoL- Samuel Adams (Protect and Defend)
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To: maluka23
Those who have chosen this abusive method of self-expression will have not a few occasions in later life to look back with regret on what they have done.

That sounds like a threat to me. Does this petty ivory-tower tyrant plan to put something in their official file?

--ccm

6 posted on 01/27/2004 9:25:17 PM PST by ccmay
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To: maluka23
" Those who have chosen this abusive method of self-expression will have not a few occasions in later life to look back with regret on what they have done."

Does he regret that this bake sale mirrors their admission policy? Why is the SOL method of self-expression abusive and his admission policy not? Go get 'em boys... we're proud of you.

7 posted on 01/27/2004 9:40:05 PM PST by Grammy ( <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">miserable failure put it in your tagline too!)
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To: maluka23; Travis McGee; Sabertooth
Applications for freedom of expression are next to the applications for free speech, just near the ones for freedom of religion....
8 posted on 01/27/2004 10:34:35 PM PST by GeronL (Two kinds of people in this country: Makers and Takers........ which are you?)
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To: SoL- Samuel Adams
check #8
9 posted on 01/27/2004 10:36:17 PM PST by GeronL (Two kinds of people in this country: Makers and Takers........ which are you?)
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To: July 4th
Completely goes right over the head of this president, doesn't it? LOL
10 posted on 01/28/2004 5:34:44 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: maluka23
"As a university community, we take the actions of the Sons of Liberty in the spirit of Jefferson’s comment about freedom of thought:..."

"Having unsuccessfully exhausted all other means of suppressing their freedom of speech."

11 posted on 01/28/2004 8:17:35 AM PST by Redbob
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To: HenryLeeII
"Keep your powder dry, FRiend" ping...

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

12 posted on 01/28/2004 12:31:16 PM PST by South Hawthorne ("24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence? I think not.")
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To: SoL- Samuel Adams
Sam Sadler was evasive and played dumb when confronted with specific demands...

Sam wasn't playing, it comes naturally to him.

13 posted on 01/28/2004 1:05:38 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: Live free or die; kevinjdeanna
Live free or die:
Please contact Freeper kevinjdeanna at kjdean@wm.edu - he's a Sig Ep at William & Larry, I mean Wilma & Mary, umm, W&M, who has a duplicate thread of this story. He's trying to round up Peninsula-area Freepers who can attend/help out.
14 posted on 01/28/2004 1:08:27 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: maluka23
Just wanted to let you know that a story on the sale can be found at:

https://www.sin.wm.edu/modules/dsjnews/article.php?id=0
15 posted on 01/28/2004 1:16:34 PM PST by maluka23
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To: Owl_Eagle
Thanks for the ping, and check your Freepmail...
16 posted on 01/28/2004 1:19:12 PM PST by HenryLeeII
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To: HenryLeeII
So do Mexicans get to use "fake" currency like the matricula dollar?
17 posted on 01/28/2004 4:06:04 PM PST by TaxRelief (P-A-N-T-H-E-R-S, Go panthers!)
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To: maluka23
I see some "double-secret probation" in the near future...
18 posted on 01/28/2004 7:57:30 PM PST by Gefreiter
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To: maluka23
(Sullivan stated: "What I find personally offensive is the manner in which they have chosen to express their views."

Well perhaps they should have expressed their views like the leftwing student activists of the '60s, by taking over your office and shutting the university down. To me, the bake sale is satire at it's finest, because it retains a sense of humor about the subject, something you seem to have forgotten.

The "bake sale" with racially differentiated prices that they hold today is inexcusably hurtful to members of this community whose presence here is welcome and critically important to the quality of our life together.

OK, you win the prize for meaningless gobbledygook with that one... let's just pick it apart for you.

"inexcusably hurtful" = Why? How does questioning the policies of campus authorities hurt anybody? You allow the lefties to do that with impunity. Is it more "excusably hurtful" if it's leftwingers slandering conservatives?

Those who have chosen this abusive method of self-expression

Abusive method of self-expression? You mean compared to burning the flag, or passing off a crucifix submersed in urine as an artistic social statement? I mean, please! Say what you mean, which is more like "I'm really pissed that this bunch of conservative students have been able to use the First Amendment like it applied to them too!"

....will have not a few occasions in later life to look back with regret on what they have done.

Translation: You punks don't have that degree YET, and this will go into your PERMANENT RECORD!

19 posted on 01/29/2004 7:11:49 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: maluka23
What I find personally offensive is the manner in which they have chosen to express their views.

Let me guess: Old white guy.

20 posted on 01/29/2004 7:13:17 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Can't I have guns AND butter?
21 posted on 01/29/2004 5:51:46 PM PST by LaraCroft (If the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, do the stupid get stupider?)
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To: maluka23
In the old days, minorities were treated WORSE than whites. In these affirmative action bake sales (unless I'm mistaken) they're treated BETTER (i.e. they get lower prices). How can that be hurtful?
22 posted on 01/29/2004 6:11:31 PM PST by calvin sun ("Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL")
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To: maluka23
A similar event, held last semester, did not meet the administrative requirements we routinely impose on such activities.

If you routinely impose them, what are they? And did you major in double-speak?

23 posted on 01/30/2004 3:20:49 AM PST by Drango (Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.)
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To: TaxRelief
So do Mexicans get to use "fake" currency like the matricula dollar?

No. All they have to do is flash their Matricula cards and they get free cookies.

25 posted on 01/30/2004 8:05:02 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: ccmay
Does this petty ivory-tower tyrant plan to put something in their official file?

As of right now, they are all on Double Secret Probation!

26 posted on 01/30/2004 11:15:14 AM PST by 50sDad (OK, I give in. Visit my website! http:my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: maluka23
Dear President Sullivan.

You can keep your racist system.

27 posted on 01/30/2004 11:47:48 AM PST by sauropod (Better to have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!)
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To: maluka23
What I find personally offensive is the manner in which they have chosen to express their views. The "bake sale" with racially differentiated prices that they hold today is inexcusably hurtful to members of this community whose presence here is welcome and critically important to the quality of our life together.

What I find personally offensive is the notion that it is acceptable to slander the reputation of the Founders of America, who did not agree with the Leftist racial and social theories, being taught as gospel on American campuses today, coupled with the studied efforts to make students whose families have been part of the American mainstream for many generations, feel they should apologize for their heritage.

The mainstream kids are not the aggressors in this, and any hurt feelings they encounter, are hurt feelings resulting from the brainwashing that children of all races are receiving in our schools today. Were it not for this "education," that tries to instill "guilt" in one group for doing nothing wrong, and a sense of "victimization" in another group, which as a group has not been victimized in generations, there would be no need for bake sales or hurt feelings on the part of anyone.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

28 posted on 01/30/2004 3:28:59 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
I would suggest that the students at William & Mary, read How To Recognize The Bigot In The Argument, and use Mr. Sullivan's attack to good purpose. If you really want to make a principled statement, there is nothing better than getting attacked--nothing better than having something you can answer, that has already drawn attention to you effort.

William Flax

29 posted on 01/30/2004 3:59:41 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: maluka23
Where do the PETA folks at W&M stand on the rights of gerbils in lab experiments?
30 posted on 01/31/2004 12:15:32 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: maluka23
Those who have chosen this abusive method of self-expression will have not a few occasions in later life to look back with regret on what they have done.

Abusive? Abusive to whom? The university's policies of racial discrimination? The university's feelings?

Or the white students who are charged more for the cookies? That must be it, for Mr. Sullivan's screed to mean anything.

5.56mm

31 posted on 01/31/2004 11:17:03 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: maluka23
"The right to freedom of expression belongs to every member of this community, including the President. I am exercising that right by writing this letter. Members of the Sons of Liberty have announced their views on the subject of affirmative action, which I do not share"

Mr President, Why the heck DONT you share the righteous ideal of equal opportunity?

32 posted on 01/31/2004 11:38:16 PM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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