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Georgia may shun 'evolution' in schools
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 1/29/2004 | MARY MacDONALD

Posted on 01/29/2004 3:08:06 AM PST by Ben Chad

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To: RightWingNilla
You are waaaay off in your thinking here. Take sickle cell anemia. The point mutation that changes the aa at position 6 leads to the disease. But this isn't necessarily a nucleotide that is "preferentially" mutated. Mutations can occur and do occur all through out the hemoglobin gene. They just never make it to the clinic for several reasons: some are silent, some are neutral, perhaps most result in embryonic lethality.

:-) Don't lecture me on the genetic basis of disease, because you're way out of your league, kid. The truth is that while mutations can and do pop up anywhere at random in any given chunk of genome, there is sufficient evidence from the gentic basis of disease, which do occur at regular and expected locations, that a mutation could have occured in the same spot of a homologous sequence of DNA in species with similar biochemistries.

481 posted on 02/04/2004 11:49:40 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: RightWingNilla
So did the sun emit UV light before the fall?

Scriptue is silent in regards to the UV radiation or lack thereof after the Creation but before the rebellion of man.

482 posted on 02/04/2004 11:50:55 AM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: realpatriot71
Don't lecture me on the genetic basis of disease, because you're way out of your league, kid.

This coming from someone who thinks genetic mutations are due to the "rebellion" of man? I have no idea what league youre in. I am not even sure we are on the same planet!

there is sufficient evidence from the gentic basis of disease, which do occur at regular and expected locations, that a mutation could have occured in the same spot of a homologous sequence of DNA in species with similar biochemistries.

"Same spot" at best refers to regions of DNA, not a single nucleotide. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Provide a reference for such a thing occuring if you have any.

483 posted on 02/04/2004 2:47:29 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: realpatriot71
Scriptue is silent in regards to the UV radiation or lack thereof after the Creation but before the rebellion of man.

Well why don't you humor me and tell me your opinion on the matter. If there were UV rays, why was there no mutation?

484 posted on 02/04/2004 2:48:34 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: Junior
Because the theory of evolution claims that elephants are descended from critters that were not around at the time of the dinosaurs, so therefore elephants could not have been around at the time of the dinosaurs. Was this really that difficult to grasp?

I think you to fail to grasp the resilience of the theory of E. The discovery of comingled elephant/dinosaur bones (fossilized) would lead to yet another "refinement" of evolutionary theory. If those fossilized bones were discovered in strata dated by evolutionary thinking as millions of year of age, they would have to admit they were wrong about their theory of descent for elephants.

If the comingled bones are found unfossilized and determined to be of recent age, then, lo, we have another ancient relic which hasn't changed for millions of years (such as Coelacanth).

In either case, no refutation/falsification of evolution. Even irreducible complexity doesn't appear to be sufficient to falsify evolution (much to Darwin's relief).

485 posted on 02/04/2004 4:38:45 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Nakatu X
...if the Flood really did deposit all of the world's strata, why not deposit it around a large animal?

Who mentioned "the Flood?"

We can look at the aftermath of Mt. St. Helens to see why trees are better candidates for spanning strata than any animal. The root ball sinks causing the tree to be upright when rapid deposition takes place. (Try doing that with a Whale).

Catastrophism in and of itself does not preclude long-aged models of deposition. The presence of a polystrate mammal fossil, as rare as it might be, could be dismissed as a "tiny mystery" (as Gentry's Polonium radiohalos were).

486 posted on 02/04/2004 5:16:07 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: RightWingNilla
If there were UV rays, why was there no mutation?

No Time. "Perfect" exists where God does, who is eternal and outside of time (and in that regards outside of all dimensions, really). So, when perfect, God's creation does not exist in time as we do now. Time is necessary for the Creation that rebelled, to understand what living outside of God would mean, not only to the creation itself (plants and animals), but to man and the rest of the Universe. Time allows for consequences and that's why we now live in four dimensions, time being one. And part of these consequences is againg and finally death.

487 posted on 02/04/2004 8:32:15 PM PST by realpatriot71 (It's time to build a freakin' wall!)
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To: VadeRetro
ATLANTA — Georgia's school superintendent Thursday dropped plans to remove the word "evolution" (search) from the state's high school science curriculum.

"I will recommend to the teacher teams that the word 'evolution' be put back in the curriculum," Kathy Cox said in a statement.

Cox said she originally wanted to replace "evolution" with the phrase "biological changes over time" to avoid controversy.

"Instead, a greater controversy ensued," she said.

The proposal drew widespread criticism. Former President Carter (search) said it exposed the state to nationwide ridicule.

The proposed change was included in more than 800 pages of draft revisions to the curriculum posted last month on the Department of Education's Web site. The changes are scheduled to go before the state Board of Education for a vote in May.

"It was the right thing to do," said Gov. Sonny Perdue, a Republican, who had said he thought Cox should drop the proposed change. "As public officials, we don't have the luxury of thinking out loud; I believe that's what she was doing."

House Education Committee Chairman Bob Holmes, a Democrat from Atlanta, said Cox had little choice considering the widespread criticism the plan received.

"I'm glad she was responsive to the outcry, both by scientists and other political leaders who felt this was something completely unneccessary," Holmes said.

Some religious conservatives applauded Cox's proposal as a step toward teaching creationism in schools, while others said it changed little, since the concept of evolution would still be taught.

Cox, a Republican elected in 2002, repeatedly referred to evolution as a negative buzzword and said the ban was proposed, in part, to alleviate pressure on teachers in socially conservative areas where parents object to its teaching.

Under her proposal, the concept of evolution would have still been taught, but the word would not be used in the classroom. The proposal would not have required schools to buy new textbooks omitting the word evolution and would not have prevented teachers from using the word in class.

Source: HERE.
488 posted on 02/05/2004 12:29:40 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Theory: a comprehensible, falsifiable, cause-and-effect explanation of verifiable facts.)
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To: PatrickHenry; jennyp
But note how, in the article jennyp posted on her forum, Cox is still trying to omit mention of natural selection or the 4.5 billion year age of the Earth. Jenny suspects the removal of "evolution," a meritless and almost pointless proposal, was merely cover for the real changes sneaking by.
489 posted on 02/05/2004 2:47:45 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: realpatriot71
No Time. "Perfect" exists where God does, who is eternal and outside of time (and in that regards outside of all dimensions, really). So, when perfect, God's creation does not exist in time as we do now. Time is necessary for the Creation that rebelled, to understand what living outside of God would mean, not only to the creation itself (plants and animals), but to man and the rest of the Universe. Time allows for consequences and that's why we now live in four dimensions, time being one. And part of these consequences is againg and finally death.

Fascinating. Please continue...

490 posted on 02/05/2004 9:16:46 PM PST by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Not only that, but Noah committed the sacrilege of flatulence while sailing on the Ark. The consequences can be seen as the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, a warning to us all.
491 posted on 02/06/2004 3:30:14 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Theory: a comprehensible, falsifiable, cause-and-effect explanation of verifiable facts.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Not only that, but Noah committed the sacrilege of flatulence while sailing on the Ark.

Was the wind so mighty as to lay low the mountains of the Earth?

492 posted on 02/06/2004 10:17:39 AM PST by balrog666 (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.)
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To: balrog666
That detail wasn't recorded. But like Adam's eating the apple, which initiated the 2nd law of thermodynamics, even little things can have far-reaching consequences.
493 posted on 02/06/2004 10:24:16 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Theory: a comprehensible, falsifiable, cause-and-effect explanation of verifiable facts.)
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To: Boxsford
That isn't a very gracious thing to say. Our faith is a gift from God not something any of us can conjure up. My eyes were long blind to the truth of the Gospel until He opened them. It isn' intelligence that opens them my friend.


Free Will, you allowed your own eyes to be open and now your not blind to the truth. I realize that our salvation is a gift from God but you do have to accept it.


494 posted on 02/13/2004 4:25:42 AM PST by garylmoore (It is as it was)
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To: whattajoke
I amazes me more that those of you who can "see" the Gospel can't reconcile it with 150 years of hard science. From my reading of the Gospels, I can't for the life of me see where they discuss speciation or change in allele frequencies over time. Perhaps you can help me out.


You really believe that hogwash? Open your eyes and look around you, who do you think created all of this? Do you think that it just popped into existance? If you believe in science than you must know that every creation has a creator. Another thing, the Bible has stood the test of time.
495 posted on 02/13/2004 4:31:39 AM PST by garylmoore (It is as it was)
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To: garylmoore
Open your eyes and look around you, who do you think created all of this? Do you think that it just popped into existance?

Argument from incredulity. Never a convincing method.
496 posted on 02/13/2004 9:44:39 PM PST by Dimensio (I gave you LIFE! I -- AAAAAAAAH!)
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