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CPAC 2004: ALAN KEYES' SPEECH
Renew America website ^ | January 24, 2004 | Dr. Alan Keyes

Posted on 01/29/2004 4:07:39 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie

FLOYD BROWN, INTRODUCTION: Well, when you look at the landscape, the political landscape in America, every once in a while, men of principle come along--and this morning's speaker is one of those men of principle.

In the mold of Ronald Reagan, and other key conservatives that have been consistent and upheld to their principles, our speaker is probably one of the most powerful advocates for the life of the unborn, he's one of the most powerful advocates for true conservative principles. You see him on television, you hear him on the radio, he now is currently writing a book, and he has a wonderful website--he's got Declaration.com, I believe [Declaration.net], and then RenewAmerica.us.

He is a genuine conservative. He's worked in the movement, he worked in the Reagan administration in the State Department, he has been an ambassador to the United Nations Economic and Social Council, he's worked in the movement, having been president of Citizens Against Government Waste, and a founder of the National Taxpayers' Action Day. He's been a two-time candidate to U.S. Senate, he's been a candidate for the presidency.

But I think the reason we here at CPAC have an extraordinary opportunity today is because he is a man of conviction, he is a man of principle, and when you listen to him, you are hearing pure, unadulterated truth. Let me introduce Ambassador Alan Keyes.

ALAN KEYES: Thank you. Good morning!

For those of you who don't know, as you were just told, I am Alan Keyes.

I do have to wonder, as a lot of people do from time to time, what that means--but I know for certain that I am a Christian, I know for certain that I am an American, and I like to think that I am a conservative.

It's the latter that I'd like to talk to you about today, because I think we're having to be more and more careful, and if we don't start being more careful soon, then we shall have to find a new way to describe people like myself.

I look over the events of the past year or so, and I've got to tell you: I think that there are signs on the horizon that if folks who call themselves conservatives don't wake up and speak up and act up soon, the title "conservative" will mean nothing in our politics!

There was a time when you said "conservative," and you knew what you meant. You said "conservative," and you understood that that would be somebody who understood the real meaning of self-government, and who stood against the consolidation of power in the hands of an all-powerful government.

You know who you were!

There was a time when you said those words, and you understood that you were speaking of someone who respected the ability of people to care for themselves and demanded that a tax structure exist that would respect their right to earn and use the money that they labored so hard for.

You knew who you were!

There was a time, especially, when you knew for sure that you were speaking of somebody who understood the relationship between self-government and self-discipline, and who knew that we could not survive as a free people if we did not have strong hearts, strong families, and a strong commitment to do the will of God.

You knew who you were!

But I think these days we're allowing ourselves to see that label drift into the hands of folks who have no understanding, no concern about what it really ought to mean.

I was on O'Reilly's show the other day, and he dared . . .

[applause starts]

Huh, huh, huh, huh. Not after I say what I'm about to say.

[laughter]

He dared to describe [Sen. John] Edwards and [Sen. Joseph] Lieberman with the term "conservative."

[audience groans]

Well, I understand that reaction, but come along. I look over the past year, and what do I see? I see the spectacle of groups and organizations, of individuals who have posed for the longest time as the articulators and champions of the conservative philosophy, and they dared to stand before the American people and tell us that Arnold Schwarzenegger is a conservative!

So, if you think O'Reilly made a mistake, he was exampled in that mistake by folks who should have known better.

How long do you think that this movement's going to survive as a viable cause, when we pretend to know what we believe, but are willing to sacrifice and betray on the alter of political expediency those who have dedicated heart and life throughout their careers to a consistent championing of the conservative cause?

I listened to the sick arguments that were made by individuals of all varieties, some of whom have built their very careers on their supposed commitment to conservatism--and there we saw it in California. What was that race? It was a situation that I think was, in some ways, handed to the conservative movement by the providence of God, almost as if He said, "OK, here's your chance. Let's see who you really are." See?

I have heard the arguments. A matter of fact, I, sadly, have been the victim of those arguments from time to time. You know, "Well, we gotta win, and so-and-so can't win, and therefore it's the lesser of evils. We gotta vote for the lesser of evils"--forgetting, as we often want to do, that the lesser of evils is evil still; that, at the end of the day, you keep voting for the lesser of evils, and you will find yourself lost in evil with no way to get back!

But was that the case in California? A failed liberal governor going down in flames. An effort that had been put together over the opposition of many of the so-called liberals and moderates who bear the "Republican" label, to recall him on account of his failures to the people of California--and when that effort succeeded on the strength of popular revulsion against his liberalism, a situation was created where, first, they thought they were going to destroy it by putting lots of candidates in the race, but then somebody must have realized that that meant that the race was going to go to the person who got the strongest plurality.

Now, I know that there are some people who may forget it from time to time, but it is still the case in many situations in America, including California, that when you control all other factors, and you get into a situation like that, the people who are most committed to those things that they believe are most likely to constitute that winning plurality, that's the time when, regardless of labels, when, regardless of phony arguments, you see your chance to pursue a path of principle, and you look around for somebody who, in their career and in their abilities, will articulate those principles in a way that will rally the choir to sing from the same page on election day.

I found it interesting that we moved through that race, and Tom McClintock was doing his job, and just as he got to the point where he was breathing down the neck--Schwarzenegger stalled, he was moving up--it was at that point that certain people started to twist arms and pound the table and tell the lies, to make sure that the conservative heart would not rally 'round the conservative candidate!

Now, I'm having to tell you: if conservatism can't find itself in that situation, then, my friends, you've got to start fearing that it never shall.

If so-called conservative groups are willing to stand behind those who openly and gleefully spit upon the positions that must lie at the heart and soul of the conservative cause, then conservatism means nothing, and it will go nowhere, and we'll have to start again with a new label that better reflects the heart of our beliefs.

But I'm not ready to give up on it. I think we ought to fight for it--and the first way we fight for it is we're going to have to start challenging people, whether it's O'Reilly or any others, we're going to have to start challenging them openly and without any shame when they start to apply the conservative label to those who betray, in their policies and their statements, those things that correspond in truth to the conservative cause!

And yes, I'm a Republican, too. But I'll tell you one thing: just as I will not sacrifice my faith to a partisan label, nor shall I sacrifice my political creed to the arguments that are subservient to the single-minded pursuit of partisan political power.

It is time we understood that for the sake of this nation, for the sake of its freedom, for the sake of its self-government, for the sake of its moral heart and families, we must stand first as conservatives before the people of America, and demand from every party in this nation that they commit themselves in fact to those things that will serve constitutional government and real liberty!

Now, I know that there are folks who are going to come before you, and they're going to tell you, "Well, my friend, forget all that, because we gotta win, and you gotta rally behind this and that. You gotta choke down your beliefs, put aside your principles. Just get in there, hold your nose, pull the lever, don't worry about what you think."

You know, there was a time in American when politicians understood that when you get into a situation where this policy and that policy and the other policy have offended those who, though their support, put you were you are, you understood they don't put side their beliefs, you put aside your abhorrent policies before you ask again for their support!

But no. We are allowing ourselves to be talked to and talked about as if we are the pawns of partisanship, when we ought to be the soldiers of principle.

Decide who you are! Decide what you will stand for--because, if you'll stand for all of this, then in the end this nation will fall.

Now, I don't want to pretend that this year was without, though, its encouragements--but they were encouragements in a way, this one I think of, that encouraged me as Calvary encourages me, when one sees the perfect sacrifice of goodness on the altar of truth.

For, just as Tom McClintock was abandoned by so-called conservatives, though he stood foursquare where we claim conservatives ought to stand, so there was one man in this country who refused to abandon his true conservative and constitutional principles, though in terms of career and power and standing it cost him everything he had--and that man was Judge Roy Moore of Alabama.

Now, there was one for you. In the so-called trial, after which his treacherous colleagues removed him from the chief justiceship, Bill Pryor--and I won't go into that. Will you go into that? I'd like to go into that, but I'll just mention it. I want you to see this role, see? Because when Christ was brought before the Sanhedrin, there was somebody there to question Him and ask Him the questions through which they hoped that somehow they would justify their destruction of His life. And I don't know what his name was in Hebrew or in Aramaic, but I think in English it was Bill Pryor.

[laughter]

Yes. Anyway, in that trial, there was Bill Pryor, asking Judge Moore the question. What was the key question of that trial? All of [unitelligible] don't understand. Do you know what the key question was?

The key question was, "Mr. Chief Justice, if you are allowed to continue in office, will you insist in that office upon your right to acknowledge God?" and the Chief Justice responded, "Yes, I will."

And then they asked him again, Bill Pryor asked him asked him again, "As Chief Justice--I just want to be clear--if you are continued in this office, will you insist upon your right to acknowledge God?" and the second time, he said, "Yes, I will."

And he asked him again a third time, "Will you insist upon your right to acknowledge God?" and he said, "Yes, I will."

And in that moment, he did what even Peter could not find it in himself to do! Three times he was asked to betray his faith and God, and three times he refused--though it cost him all he had.

Do you know when I will believe that the conservative movement in this country has once again found the courage and the heart and the integrity to stand forward, as Ronald Reagan did, and pull it back from the precipice of its loss of liberty and destruction? I'll believe it when every one of you, when everyone who dares to wear the conservative label will stand as Judge Roy Moore did and risk losing everything before they will betray the principles of their faith and their conservative creed!

And I know there are so-called "conservatives" out there who want to confuse us all with the notion that "oh, no, no, Alan, you're wrong; Judge Roy Moore was breaking the law. Judge Roy Moore can't be supported. We're conservative, we respect the law."

I do respect the law. I respect it deeply. That's why, when I see a judge like Myron Thompson, telling a state official that he must do what the Constitution of the United States makes clear he as an official has the perfect right to do, when I see that judge basing his judgment on a simple and clear and pure fabrication that has nothing to do with the Constitution or the law, then I say to you that we have done, if we've called that the rule of law, what all the founders and all the statesmen in our history understood we should never do: we have substituted the arbitrary rule of men for the rule of law!

There is a difference! There is a difference between constitutional government and judicial dictatorship, and I think it's time we remembered that our Constitution was not put together in order to establish the sovereignty of the judges, it was framed in order to guarantee the sovereignty of the people.

And with respect to the judiciary, they were very careful. There was a reason why that phrase, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," was the first phrase in the Bill of Rights--and I hope that we'll some day come to understand what it really means. It means what it says. What it says is, there can be no federal law that deals with the subject of religious establishment. What it means, therefore, is that if you're sitting on the federal bench, you've got no lawful basis for addressing or interfering with this issue.

But no, no. [Some say,] "Alan, it's in the Constitution!" Well, as I recall, it's that very phrase they use in the Constitution to usurp their authority. So, frankly, the separation of church and state and this mythology they talk about--scour the document, you'll find it nowhere in there. What you will find is a clear statement in the First Amendment that this power is withheld from the federal government, and a clear statement in the Tenth Amendment that "all those powers not given to the federal government, or prohibited in the Constitution to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people."

Judge Roy Moore did what the people of Alabama elected him to do, and what, under our Constitution, he had the perfect right to do!

When shall we stop calling ourselves conservatives, and start acting like people who understand what it means?

When? Well, we'll do it on the day when Tom McClintock and people like him stand up and find all of those who wear the label rallying 'round the cause! We'll understand it when we find folks standing next to Judge Roy Moore, standing next to those who are willing to look the tyranny in the face, to look the destruction of our Constitution in the face, and do what previous generations of patriots were willing to do: say no to that which destroys the foundations of our liberty.

We have come to that time, my friends, that crisis in which nothing can any longer be taken for granted. The moral basis of our society is being assaulted and destroyed, and the chief instrument of that destruction is the abusive power of the courts. We must break that power, or they will destroy our way of life.

This is all of the message that I wanted to leave with you today--see, because I think there are times when words are not sufficient. The only thing that's sufficient is the deed. Tom McClintock was the deed. Roy Moore was the deed.

Do you want to know and think about, in the course of your gathering here, the real meaning of conservatism? Then know and think about the meaning of their struggle, of their example, of their cause, of their lives, and decide who you shall be.

And if you shall be like them, if you shall stand alone with principle as your only companion, if you shall stand alone with faith as your only foundation, if you are willing to stand alone with only your commitment to America and its principles and its heart as your consolation, then you shall be conservatives again--and in that integrity, you shall be the hope of America.


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1 posted on 01/29/2004 4:07:41 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
We have to stand for what's right - Chief Justice Roy Moore would not give him his right to acknowledge God and the question was posed three times by none other than Bill Pryor! I keep being reminded of the saying, "what doth it profit a man that he should gain the whole world and lose his soul?" When it came to principles and integrity, the Chief Justice of Alabama kept his soul and gave up the world. He refused to abuse the authority and trust the people of his state gave him. He is the Thomas More Of Our Age. It takes lot to be true to your conscience. I'm sure Pryor purchased a federal judgeship but only at the cost of selling his soul for it. So Freepers and Friends, we can only remain conservatives if we stand up for what we believe in - and we should we willing to pay the price for championing the age-old ideal of liberty and government of, for and by the people.
2 posted on 01/29/2004 4:16:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I couldn't agree more.

The only reason we enjoy these freedoms is because of the sacrifice of those who've gone before. We have a duty to continue their fight, and anyone who shirks their duty is a person without honour. I note from the CPAC thread that Dr Keyes' speech was very well received by the attendees. It's inspiring to see that he still has the fire of principle burning within. Best regards, Byron

3 posted on 01/29/2004 4:28:37 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
How long do you think that this movement's going to survive as a viable cause, when we pretend to know what we believe, but are willing to sacrifice and betray on the alter [sic] of political expediency those who have dedicated heart and life throughout their careers to a consistent championing of the conservative cause?

A fair question. Yellow-dog Republicans revel in a philosophy that says "I'll shoot myself in the head so the enemy can't kill me."

4 posted on 01/29/2004 4:38:15 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
When I read the text of Keyes comments he seems knowledgable, articulate, and well reasoned. But when I see him speak his delivery is strange and bizarre. It just screams " nutball" to me. First time I have encountered this phenomenon. Anybody else have this reaction to Keyes?
5 posted on 01/29/2004 4:45:45 AM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Dr. Keyes does sound like a preacher at a Southern Baptist tent revival meeting. Funny thing is he's a Catholic. He's a great conservative but the way he delivers an address may not be to every one's tastes.
6 posted on 01/29/2004 4:50:15 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I have heard the arguments. A matter of fact, I, sadly, have been the victim of those arguments from time to time. You know, "Well, we gotta win, and so-and-so can't win, and therefore it's the lesser of evils. We gotta vote for the lesser of evils"--forgetting, as we often want to do, that the lesser of evils is evil still; that, at the end of the day, you keep voting for the lesser of evils, and you will find yourself lost in evil with no way to get back!

They supported Justice Roy Moore too. </sarcasm> Kudos to Dr. Keyes - spot on.

7 posted on 01/29/2004 4:56:04 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Support free speech and stop CFR - visit www.ArmorforCongress.com (||)
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To: IronJack
Committed conservatives make this Administration uncomfortable, Jack. Winning has become more important than actually accomplishing something. That's why Roy Moore got about as much support from the White House as the Border Patrol.
8 posted on 01/29/2004 4:58:55 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: tcuoohjohn
..it just screams " nutball" to me. First time I have encountered this phenomenon...

Then maybe you ought to listen to a second speech, before passing such a harsh and inaccurate judgement.

9 posted on 01/29/2004 5:00:59 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Anybody else have this reaction to Keyes?

I've never seen him speak but the first time I heard him was during the dark days of Clinton and I thought his speech was manna from heaven -- his text and the conviction with which he delivered it.

I think 'nutcase' or whatever is a term that should be reserved for maniacal characters screaming with a thinly veiled anti-social rage; Howard Dean is this generation's poster boy for that, in the tradition of the master, Adolph Hitler.

10 posted on 01/29/2004 5:09:12 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Your reaction is similar to that of anyone who finds himself face to face with conviction based on reason. Keyes is very much like those he describes. As far as I know, he's never yielded, and he's allowed himself to be impugned and belittled; but he keeps spreading the message as best he can.

You're reacting not to what he says, but how he says it. Think about that and what it says about your own understanding of and dedication to the conservative cause.

(Off to work.)
11 posted on 01/29/2004 5:52:32 AM PST by MSSC6644
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To: tcuoohjohn
Yes. I think they're called affectations.
12 posted on 01/29/2004 6:37:26 AM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: goldstategop
Yes...reminiscent of the " call and response" form of evangelical preachers. Only Keyes provides both sides of the call and response. Strikes me as an odd form for political speech. I wonder if he might do better by selecting a more traditional style. I find it a bit unnerving..not the content but the delivery. Seems a bit "nutball" as I said. The only other politicians I have heard use the style were George Wallace, William Jennings Bryan, and Al Sharpton.
13 posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:51 AM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I have heard Keyes several times. As I noted it isn't the content. It is the strange style. Many people have noted it as unique among politicians.

Perhaps I am just used to a more traditional, less histrionic style. Over ebullience can be seen as emotional instability....just ask Howard Dean...LOL
14 posted on 01/29/2004 6:47:50 AM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: MSSC6644
Well...Presentation, like it or not, is an element of practical politics. Even the most profound and reasoned argument has little effect if it is oddly delivered. Particularly in the age of electronic media. Keyes style would have been entirely appropriate in 1925. Not sure it works well now.
15 posted on 01/29/2004 6:56:03 AM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: Huck
Yes...that captures it well. Highly stylized and affected. Seems inauthentic or something. Perhaps he picked it up during his academic days or from speech classes. A touch of the bombastic.
16 posted on 01/29/2004 7:07:00 AM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Bump for further review
17 posted on 01/29/2004 8:32:28 AM PST by The_Eaglet (Conservative chat on IRC: http://searchirc.com/search.php?F=exact&T=chan&N=33&I=conservative)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
GOD Bless you Alan Keyes
18 posted on 01/29/2004 11:43:59 AM PST by fatso
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To: tcuoohjohn
Perhaps I am just used to a more traditional, less histrionic style. Over ebullience can be seen as emotional instability....just ask Howard Dean...LOL

What you may be used to, if I may...is the programming by the Lamestream Media, and LIEberals that has castrated the "Conservative" cause by demanding "decorum and civilty" while they rail and gnash their teeth at every Conseravtive they ever see.

I have had enough of the "Country-Club" mentality, and civility above principles!

It's FAR past the time we as "Conservatives" take up the Battle Flag, and move forward...no matter the opposition!

Because I can assure you, the opposition ALSO comes from within the (R) Party, and those whipped dogs that heel to their masters in the media and in academia...and have NO principles other than getting elected and Re-elected! The Arlen Specter/Bob Michel crow, if you will!

Remember, if someone does not like you, despite your best efforts to appease them, it is then time to tell them where to go, how to get there, and provide TRANSPORT if necessary!

LIEberals WILL not fight fair, nor will they allow a "Conservative" to get a fair chance if the can ever help it...so we need to start riding roughshod over their excuses and whines and resistance....all to the betterment of the American Culture. Conservatives WIN when they do not panmder/waffle/listen to the squish Moderates and LIEberals!

That is what might be bothering you...the sense of bombast and enthusiasm that comes from following principles...not Party dogma and expediency!

19 posted on 01/29/2004 12:24:25 PM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: tcuoohjohn; MSSC6644; the invisib1e hand; Huck; Itzlzha
...perhaps I am just used to a more traditional, less histrionic style...

Clinton style, perhaps?

It's your preference for style over substance that puts his kind in the White House. Grow up.

20 posted on 01/29/2004 1:17:02 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
It's your preference for style over substance that puts his kind in the White House.

I didn't notice anyone expressing a preference for style OVER substance. I noticed someone expressly stating that while the content was OK, they had some difficulty with the presentation style. You think that's out of bounds? For a guy who makes his living in public speaking?

Grow up.

You first. Seriously, get a grip on reality. Alan Keyes has a very bombastic, verbose, pompous, self-righteous style that turns some people off. I see nothing wrong with someone discussing that fact with others who may have encountered him.

21 posted on 01/29/2004 1:24:45 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: tcuoohjohn
I saw Dr. Keyes deliver this speech Saturday morning at CPAC and I could swear I was in church! That is his style...part statesman, part preacher. I'll tell ya, he had more than one RINO squirming in that hall!
22 posted on 01/29/2004 1:25:25 PM PST by LisaFab
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To: tcuoohjohn
Anybody else have this reaction to Keyes?

I've never seen Keyes speak in person, but he had a short-lived TV show on MSNBC a while back, and he was the most articulate spokesperson for conservatism I've ever heard. Idiosyncratic? yes. "Nutball?" -- not even close.

24 posted on 01/29/2004 1:33:37 PM PST by browardchad
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To: Huck
...Alan Keyes has a very bombastic...

Horse hockey, Huck.

What happens is, Keyes' points make RINOs restless. They don't have the ammunition or the intellectual capacity to address the points he makes, so they start in with the nitpicking about his delivery.

26 posted on 01/29/2004 1:37:25 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: seamole
...what an amazing speech!...

They're all amazing, from this bloke.

Seamole, can you think of a time when Keyes' demand for conservative principle has been more needed? I just hope the GOP are listening.

27 posted on 01/29/2004 1:39:45 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
What happens is, Keyes' points make RINOs restless. They don't have the ammunition or the intellectual capacity to address the points he makes, so they start in with the nitpicking about his delivery.

Except that that's clearly not what the poster here (I forget his screenname) expressed. Not only did the content not make him restless, he said he responded favorably to the written text of the speech. That alone appears to blow your "theory" out of the water. What he said was that the demeanor and style of Keyes makes him think the guy is a little weird--I am paraphrasing, but that's how I took it. And I happen to agree.

28 posted on 01/29/2004 1:57:48 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Proud to have voted for the man, and to be from one of the two states he received the most votes in. Idaho. Alaska I believe was the other.
29 posted on 01/29/2004 1:59:33 PM PST by nobody_knows
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To: Huck
..what he said was that the demeanor and style of Keyes makes him think the guy is a little weird...

A 'little weird'? No. He said Dr. Keyes was a 'nutball.'

But I appreciate your clumsy attempt at backpedalling. There was a thread posted here years ago, Dr Keyes on his radio show, dealing with a soccer mom Clintonista in the most skilful way imagineable. If only I had it bookmarked, I'd post it and demand an apology from you and that other pickypants. Oh, where's CaL, when you need her?

30 posted on 01/29/2004 2:04:03 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Backpedaling? From what someone else said? No, I am not backpedaling. I think Keyes' self righteousness is the reason why he is so ineffective. And I am listening to the speech right now, and he does sound like a nutcase. So there.
31 posted on 01/29/2004 2:06:10 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
You were one of those Keyes 2000 guys I bet.
32 posted on 01/29/2004 2:07:02 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Huck
..I think Keyes' self righteousness is the reason why he is so ineffective...

I agree, assuming you mean Bloomberg-style 'effectiveness.' Maybe when your kind matures beyond the need for candidates with the personality of a game show host, Keyes' time will come?

33 posted on 01/29/2004 2:14:07 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Huck
..you were one of those Keyes 2000 guys I bet...

I'm a Keyes 2004 guy, Huck. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone who could actually walk the walk?

34 posted on 01/29/2004 2:15:41 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I agree, assuming you mean Bloomberg-style 'effectiveness.' Maybe when your kind matures beyond the need for candidates with the personality of a game show host, Keyes' time will come?

Ronald Reagan was effective and conservative without being self-righteous. In fact, you seem to suffer from a bit of the disease yourself. Your retarded little insults ("your kind", "grow up") serve only to repel people away from you and whatever point you hoped to make. Keyes time has come. When you need a bombastic, self-righteous speaker to give a fiery speech, delivered as pompously as possible, Keyes is your man. When you want someone who may be able to persuade, deal, and deliver on real conservative change, look elsewhere.

35 posted on 01/29/2004 2:19:00 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
I'm a Keyes 2004 guy, Huck. Wouldn't it be nice to have someone who could actually walk the walk?

So you're not voting for GWB? Have you made up your mind on that? As far as wouldn't it be nice, there's lots of things that would be nice, BtA. Shall we make a list? Or maybe we should focus on reality?

36 posted on 01/29/2004 2:20:13 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Huck
..when you want someone who may be able to persuade, deal, and deliver on real conservative change, look elsewhere...

He he he.

Hey, after CFR, the AWB, Kwanzaa, sitting out the Ten Commandments debacle, the NEA grant, the seniors drugs farce, I am looking elsewhere. Elsewhere, than President Bush, and the current GOP leadership. Matter of fact, it's another mark against the President, that he hasn't found a place for Dr Keyes in DC.

37 posted on 01/29/2004 2:23:34 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Huck
...or maybe we should focus on reality?...

I always focus on reality, Huck. Like a hawk on a rabbit. And the reality is, if this President doesn't take his base into account PDQ, he's going to be in trouble come November. Count on it.

38 posted on 01/29/2004 2:25:54 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: tcuoohjohn
I went to a conference a couple of years ago where Alan Keyes was the Keynote Speaker. I arrived early because my trip was much shorter than I expected. I was about the fifth person there (eventually there were 350 in the audience).

I sat near the front and within a few minutes Alan came in and asked me if the seat next to me was taken. I said no and he sat down. Then I recognized him and introduced myself.

We spoke one-on-one for about 15 minutes before one of the organizers came over and escorted him to the podium.

My discussion with him was enjoyable and intellectually stimulating. He made me feel at ease. After the talk, I got his book "Masters of the Dream" and also enjoyed it. I suspect that not many of the Negro "Leaders" have read it.

When I listen to a talk, sometimes I close my eyes and not only hear, but listen. There is a distinction! I have a friend who taught me that a long time ago and I find it very useful because I am totally focused on what is being said. By the way my friend is blind!
39 posted on 01/29/2004 2:26:50 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
"there are times when words are not sufficient."

That's it exactly!! Ambassador Keyes always renders me utterly speechless. ;-)

40 posted on 01/29/2004 2:27:12 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
So where is Mr.Keyes or someone like him during this primary? IMHO scared to run against an entrenched incumbent. Rangle too many feathers and there will be no invites to CPAC or other paying events except for the fringe chicken and pea circuit.
41 posted on 01/29/2004 2:29:31 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: leprechaun9
When I listen to a talk, sometimes I close my eyes and not only hear, but listen.

I know what you mean!!

It doesn't always work as well when I'm reading the speech, though. ;-(

42 posted on 01/29/2004 2:34:50 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Hey, after CFR, the AWB, Kwanzaa, sitting out the Ten Commandments debacle, the NEA grant, the seniors drugs farce, I am looking elsewhere. Elsewhere, than President Bush, and the current GOP leadership. Matter of fact, it's another mark against the President, that he hasn't found a place for Dr Keyes in DC.

Well, I guess it's never too early to start this debate, eh? You forgot the no child left behind act. Anyway, good luck.

43 posted on 01/29/2004 2:50:42 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Oh yeah, and amnesty for illegals, 15 billion for "interpersonal skills training" to promote marriage among low income people. If I stop and think, I am sure there's more.
44 posted on 01/29/2004 2:53:26 PM PST by Huck (Was that offensive? I hope that wasn't offensive.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Hear, hear! It's a hollow victory if it costs you your soul. And if your enemies are laughing at you for doing the work they weren't up to.
45 posted on 01/29/2004 3:01:32 PM PST by IronJack
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To: tcuoohjohn
I have had the distinct pleasure of hearing Dr. Keyes several times, and meeting him in person a number of times as well. I'm not sure what there is about his delivery that speaks to you, but his earnestness and cogency are beyond question. Frankly, I'd like to see him as the spiritual leader of the conservative movement. Because we sure as heck need one!
46 posted on 01/29/2004 3:03:54 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Huck; Byron_the_Aussie
So you're not voting for GWB? Have you made up your mind on that? As far as wouldn't it be nice, there's lots of things that would be nice, BtA. Shall we make a list? Or maybe we should focus on reality?

The reality is that Byron-the-Aussie won't be voting for Keyes, Bush, or anyone else in the 2004 United States elections.

He likes to tell us what we ought to do, however.

47 posted on 01/29/2004 3:06:45 PM PST by Amelia
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Actually no..I was thinking more about a more naturalistic style along the lines of Reagan.

Now whatever bee you have up your butt I suggest you dispense with it. Your assertion that I prefer style of substance suggests to me that you either failed to read my post or you failed to understand it. Either way the problem is yours. Dr. Keyes,is as I said a very well reasoned spokesman for the conservative cause. I might suggest that cause would be further enhanced if Dr. Keyes could get elected to the Senate or House. My point is that as a matter of practical politics his style may well be an impediment to his getting elected. And in the end winning is the measure of poltical effectiveness is it not?

As to the Clinton style?..Smarmy, overwrought, and manipulative?..no thanks.

Now that we have sorted out your puerile post I am more than happy to entertain your following posts provided you can pull yourself together and act like an adult.

Thanks...This Message brought to by the Freeper Committee For the Better Forum Experience.
48 posted on 01/29/2004 3:13:43 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
Actually no..I was thinking more about a more naturalistic style along the lines of Reagan.

Now whatever bee you have up your butt I suggest you dispense with it. Your assertion that I prefer style of substance suggests to me that you either failed to read my post or you failed to understand it. Either way the problem is yours. Dr. Keyes,is as I said a very well reasoned spokesman for the conservative cause. I might suggest that cause would be further enhanced if Dr. Keyes could get elected to the Senate or House. My point is that as a matter of practical politics his style may well be an impediment to his getting elected. And in the end winning is the measure of poltical effectiveness is it not?

As to the Clinton style?..Smarmy, overwrought, and manipulative?..no thanks.

Now that we have sorted out your puerile post I am more than happy to entertain your following posts provided you can pull yourself together and act like an adult.

Thanks...This Message brought to by the Freeper Committee For the Better Forum Experience.
49 posted on 01/29/2004 3:14:52 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: Itzlzha
Think I'll just pass on this bit of silliness all together.
50 posted on 01/29/2004 3:16:23 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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