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VANITY: The best way to keep America a sovereign free nation is to keep the Democrats out of power!
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Posted on 01/29/2004 5:54:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe this was posted somewhere in the 1200 replies but I say vote for Bush and then hold his and your congress/senate-critter's feet to the fire for a true conservative agenda. I am not happy with the direction federal government is taking but sometimes you have to accept the lesser of two evils or you just get even more evil.

My biggest conern these days is to stop the erosion of civil liberties via judicial caveat and the concept of a "living Constitution." We need Pubbies in the White House and Senate to stop this. If the Republicans need to settle in-house policy disputes, and I don't doubt they do, let's wait until after the elections. Again, I say this not because I'm happy with the status quo but because I don't think it's wise to throw a cinderblock to a drowning man.
1,201 posted on 02/01/2004 12:10:15 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Sabertooth
POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF!
1,202 posted on 02/01/2004 7:03:43 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: ArneFufkin
When you get done watching Brady throw TD passes to guys wearing #50, check out the thread in my last post.

FReegards.

1,203 posted on 02/01/2004 7:08:49 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Jim Robinson
Will Bush solve the illegal immigration problem?

Not only will Bush not defend our borders against the Mexican invasion, he wants to give amnesty to illegals already here.

Will Bush solve the government spending problem? Probably not.

You're right - he'll prove to be a more successful socialist than Clinton.

Will Bush solve the campaign finance problem? Probably not.

Right again, he'll betray conservatives by signing legislation opposed by conservatives.

Will Bush solve the drug war problem? Probably not.

No and he'll use the federal government to step all over the tenth amendment.

Will Bush solve the nation's education problems?

No, but he'll add to the problem with increased spending and continue Title IX.

Will Bush solve the so-called healthcare problems? Probably not.

No, but he'll add to the problem with increased spending.

Will Bush solve the so-called environmental problems? Probably not.

Right, if only he fought as hard for Klamath Falls, OR as he does for Mexico.

Will Bush solve the social security problems?

I doubt he'll do anything of significance.

Will Bush solve the medicare problems? Probably not.

No, but he'll add to the insolvency by creating an even bigger entitlement program.

Will Bush defend America from those bent on destroying her?

He sure won't protect OUR borders.

Will Bush appoint conservative judges?

And when they don't get an up or down vote, he'll do nothing. If only he fought as hard for conservative judges as he does for Presidente Fox.

Will Bush continue reducing taxes?

Post dated how far into the future?

Will Bush defend the right to life?

Okay, conservatives, here's a bone for you as I break a promise I made on stem cell research on cells from embryos.

Will Bush defend marriage between a man a woman?

We'll see.

Will Bush defend the right to keep and bear arms?

Including the assault weapons ban?

Will Bush say no to Kyoto?

So? Bush has done nothing to KILL Kyoto - it merely lies dormant waiting for a willing congress and a sympathetic President.

Will Bush say no to a world court?

Again, Bush has done nothing to KILL a world court and the trial of Saddam may lead to one.

Will Bush say no to the U.N.?

This is the most laughable of all assertions. The war on Iraq has been ALL about resuscitating the UN. Reagan got the US out of UNESCO, Bush has rejoined UNESCO (Relevent quotes betraying the Bush allegience to the UN.

1,204 posted on 02/01/2004 7:36:58 PM PST by Nephi (Compassionate conservatism: Sure it's socialism, but what are you gonna do, vote for Nikita Dean?)
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To: Nephi
So what's your plan? Elect Kerry?
1,205 posted on 02/01/2004 7:41:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson (I don't belong to no organized political party. I'm a Republycan.)
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To: Jim Robinson
So what's your plan? Elect Kerry?

Brilliant response. Yours is surrender?

1,206 posted on 02/01/2004 7:47:47 PM PST by Nephi (Compassionate conservatism: Sure it's socialism, but what are you gonna do, vote for Nikita Dean?)
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To: Nephi
What's your plan?
1,207 posted on 02/01/2004 7:53:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson (I don't belong to no organized political party. I'm a Republycan.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Nephi
C'mon Blutarsky, out with it already.
1,208 posted on 02/01/2004 8:00:38 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Mudboy Slim; George W. Bush
Thanks fer the link...maybe Dubyuh's finally coming to the realization that outta-control spending is not acceptable to those of us who want him to serve a second term!!

Mud,I can't help but think this was the plan all along. Force some issues,make people work .Now,I know for some he's not "right" enough, but, thus far, he is surely keeping the bad guys out,and that's right enough for me. I have to wonder what Monday brings? For me it'll be radio and then a hell of a lot of airplanes leaving Houston. Hey GWB, what thinketh you ?

1,209 posted on 02/01/2004 8:11:02 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait; Mudboy Slim
For me it'll be radio and then a hell of a lot of airplanes leaving Houston. Hey GWB, what thinketh you ?

I think I'd listen to Rush. I think he'll be devoting some time to this spending and the prez's speech on Saturday.

Brace yourself. Rush might resort to some mild sarcarsm.

You really can't blame him. Like a lot of others, he's confronted with evidence that Our Guys are starting to spend money and nanny us like The Other Guys once did to us.
1,210 posted on 02/01/2004 11:15:44 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: gatorbait; Mudboy Slim; Don Joe
Mud,I can't help but think this was the plan all along. Force some issues,make people work .Now,I know for some he's not "right" enough, but, thus far, he is surely keeping the bad guys out,and that's right enough for me.

I wanted to return to these points separately.

A fixation on personality (our current president) is the most certain way to lose our real battle for conservative and constitutional principle over the long run.

When Reagan left office, Bush 41 was a disappointment. We tried to morph him into something he was not. So after a term, he had to be discarded by conservatives. This lead to Clinton (bad, bad, bad) but in turn led gun rights activists and conservatives to elect the Gingrich congress in '94 (good, good, good).

Fast-forward past a few stained dresses and an impeachment and the Dims are left with the same problem we had with Reagan: they are focused on Clintonism, the personality and a longing for that era where they felt more powerful.

And Bush 43 is somewhat the same thing. There's a true personality cult here at FR devoted to him. And when he's gone, their emotional investment cannot be fulfilled by someone else. So they will become politically ineffective, having marched off into a wilderness over personality.

Remaining focused on principle is the key. Ignoring words and evaluating actions, not party affiliation or personality is the method.

So it is principle that counts and that will win or lose for us. Any temporary gains we may get from an obsessive focus on a particular personality contains the seed of our own later defeats.

Watch the money and the votes, not the words. Focus on principle, not personality.

For conservatives and constitutionalists to win, this must be our strategy.

Like it or not, Bush 43 will someday be gone. On that day, if we don't have principles and still have the will to fight, we'll have nothing and will be easy meat for the mindless Lefties.
1,211 posted on 02/01/2004 11:29:54 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
Like it or not, Bush 43 will someday be gone

GWB, I know this, all too well. I also don't indulge in personality cults,that's for the Keyesians and Brigadiers, not to mention unrepentant Clintonistas. I think that your points are good, as usual. We just disagree, mildly, on how they are going to impact.

But to say it's all personality does a disservice to the both of us. Outside that, how about that game? Disappointed in the final but what a cliff hanger.

1,212 posted on 02/02/2004 5:54:57 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: George W. Bush
think I'd listen to Rush. I think he'll be devoting some time to this spending and the prez's speech on Saturday.

I planned to for as long as I can.His show is still going when I go to work. I'll pull up 24/7 tonight .Remember, I'm not in love wi h a lot of the proposals either. I just don't buy the idea that third party or the Democrats have anything better, and in fact, think have much worse, to offer.

1,213 posted on 02/02/2004 5:57:50 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
Nah, I didn't think you were part of a personality cult. I was making general remarks.

Not sure if I mentioned it but, if bushbotism is a kind of personality cult, so is bashbotism.

Love 'em or hate 'em, stand on principle. And watch that congressional checkbook.
1,214 posted on 02/02/2004 6:51:37 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: George W. Bush
And watch that congressional checkbook.

Oh I know you weren't talking about me, man.You need to post this line above about 10x10x10 times to get the attention of the none listening here and everywhere else. Have you seen over on "that" site, some are trashing Tancrdo becasue he is not doing their bidding fast enough? Anyway, got the kids secured , now 4 hours on the road yeehaa.

1,215 posted on 02/02/2004 7:25:44 AM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
You need to post this line above about 10x10x10 times to get the attention of the none listening here and everywhere else.

Well, I am trying...

People want to bitch about spending, fine. But go after the man with the checkbook! You shouldn't shoot your bullets until you acquire the target.

Have you seen over on "that" site, some are trashing Tancrdo because he is not doing their bidding fast enough?

No. But after the mentions of it here tonight, I went to look and found a thread that was (indirectly) about me. Unsettling. Odder yet, they removed my name from the posts quoted.

I'm not sure it's healthy for this site to be obsessing over that other site. Or that old Lucianne thing. I still think invading D.U. is good sport. And the Deaniacs are mixin' the Koolaid now so, even if you know you should, you just can't take your eyes off 'em.

It seems that in the current discussion on this thread, there are elements of rivalry and old fights between personalities on that site and this site.

I'm surprised Jim is paying that much attention to them. I guess that site is FReeper-hell, where 'bad' FReepers go when they 'die', having committed 'suicide' or 'struck by lightning'.

And the whole 'opus' thing here followed by new posts there is a little dramatic for me.

I know it's corny but I like those biblical metaphors.
1,216 posted on 02/02/2004 7:55:15 AM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: xsmommy
For me this isn't really about "hurt feelings" as it is about national security. See #1119.

Judges are just 1/3 of the problem.

1,217 posted on 02/02/2004 9:08:49 AM PST by k2blader (Folks who deny the President's proposal is an amnesty are being intellectually dishonest.)
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To: Mudboy Slim
If we can set limits and have automatic accross-the-board reductions in place if Congress fails to institute priorities, I think America will benefit greatly as long as we insist that Congress adheres to the limits.

Bump to that!

1,218 posted on 02/02/2004 9:11:00 AM PST by k2blader (Folks who deny the President's proposal is an amnesty are being intellectually dishonest.)
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To: k2blader
national security will NOT be tighter, but rather, WORSE, under a Dem pres.
1,219 posted on 02/02/2004 9:13:04 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: k2blader
So far, Limbaugh's focusing on the crassness of the Super Bowl halftime show and commercials, but I'm hoping he acknowledges Dubyuh's weekly radio address proposition today...if followed up on, this sort of bold initiative could begin the process of re-attracting fiscal conservatives back to the fold fer the upcoming election.

FReegards...MUD

1,220 posted on 02/02/2004 9:19:36 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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