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Mexico buys missile launchers from Israel
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Posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:13 PM PST by Happy2BMe

LA VOZ DE AZTLAN NEWS BULLETIN

Los Angeles, Alta California

January 27, 2004

Mexico buys missile launchers from Israel

The Mexican Navy announced yesterday that it has bought from Israel two fully operational Aliya class speed boats capable of launching 5 Gabriel missile each. Naval Captain Arturo Flores Gil told the Mexico City "La Jornada" newspaper that Mexico had paid Israel 60 million dollars for the two naval missile launchers and 10 missiles. Each missile is capable of being outfitted with nuclear warheads.

Why would Mexico spend such large sums of money for weapons at a time when countless of Mexicans have no tortillas nor frijoles to eat and are being force to migrate to the USA? Captain Arturo Flores Gil said that the highly sophisticated weapons are needed to protect the 360 PEMEX oil rigs in the waters off Campeche. The Campeche oil fields are the richest in Mexico that produces 83% of the nation's oil.

When La Jornada asked Captain Arturo Flores Gil whether the weapons purchase meant that Mexico is collaborating with the Israeli Defense Forces, he answered, "It was a purchase based strictly on commercial considerations." President Vicente Fox Quesada of the Partido Accion Nacional (PAN) has been increasingly criticized for the disproportionate number of Jews in his administration and for taking large sums of money from Jewish groups in the USA during his campaign.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Mexico
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; immigrantlist; israel; mexico; misslelaunchers
Mexico - missle launchers.

This story referred by FATSO

1 posted on 01/29/2004 6:42:13 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
Oh that's nice.. take the SW by either squating or force?
2 posted on 01/29/2004 6:44:00 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: fatso; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; ...
"The Mexican Navy announced yesterday that it has bought from Israel two fully operational Aliya class speed boats capable of launching 5 Gabriel missile each."

What's next, French EXOCETS on the border?

3 posted on 01/29/2004 6:44:06 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: SJackson; dennisw; Dubya; Salem; yonif
Israel selling advanced weapons to "beleaguered - money starved" Mexico!
4 posted on 01/29/2004 6:46:32 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
Captain Arturo Flores Gil said that the highly sophisticated weapons are needed to protect the 360 PEMEX oil rigs in the waters off Campeche.

This is partly true, but mostly just a cover story. The more important reason is that, within a few years, Mexico foresees the need to protect its borders from Americans sneaking across to work in their factories.

5 posted on 01/29/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Happy2BMe; fatso
The best way to keep America a sovereign free nation is to keep the Democrats out of power!
6 posted on 01/29/2004 6:47:46 PM PST by deport (BUSH - CHENEY 2004.........)
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To: Happy2BMe
It used to be that you had to eat Mexican food to get Montezuma's Revenge. Any more all someone has to do is mention the name Mexico and I feel like taking a great big...
7 posted on 01/29/2004 6:48:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Happy2BMe
The Mexican Navy? This is a joke, right?
8 posted on 01/29/2004 6:48:34 PM PST by ambrose (My God, it's full of stars!)
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To: Scenic Sounds
". . Mexico foresees the need to protect its borders from Americans sneaking across to work in their factories."

Have no fear - ALL YOUR BORDERS ARE BELONG TO (FILL IN THE BLANK). .

9 posted on 01/29/2004 6:49:11 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: deport
~ Take the FReeper Immigration Reform Poll ~

A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

"What remains to be seen is if this country has the capacity to accommodate, and assimilate, an unending wave of mass immigration ¯ because failure to do so will result in a balkanized, fragmented, strife-torn and dysfunctional America."

10 posted on 01/29/2004 6:49:50 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: ambrose
I admit, I laughed at the line too. The mental image I get is hilarious.
11 posted on 01/29/2004 6:55:44 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Happy2BMe
That's not the true story. The real story is that the really powerful Mexican drigs lords want to expand their delivery service where the Mexican army will deliver any quantity to any point in the US. The Mexicans greatest fear is that someday, President Bush will ask the United Nations to provide troops to defend our border. The UN will do so much better than Bush has done that Presidente Fox is anticipating.

With the missle ships, Fox and his drug lord employers will be able to safeguard ocean deliveries of Mexican dope and Cuban/Saudi terrorists all up and down the coast without fear of the UN and its power.

12 posted on 01/29/2004 6:56:11 PM PST by Tacis
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To: moehoward
The Mexican Navy...


13 posted on 01/29/2004 6:58:40 PM PST by ambrose (My God, it's full of stars!)
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To: Happy2BMe
I sure do hope Pres Fox doesn't plan on using them against us...cause there's just too much excellent shoreline in Mexico SCREAMING to be redeveloped into some PRIME U.S. RESORT LAND, and we're JUST the guys to do it!
14 posted on 01/29/2004 7:04:01 PM PST by NordP (Peace through Strength - W 2004 !!!)
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To: Happy2BMe
I don't consider Mexico a military threat necessarilly but neither did I feel the same about Castro in Cuba at the time. If we are seeing nuclear capable missiles in Mexico we may be seeing a similar arrangement of something that could escalate into a similiar event we watched develop in Cuba in 1963. What would prevent China or North Korea providing even more sophisticated equipment to El Presidente to toy around with. Every day brings new challenges in this hemisphere and the Monroe Doctrine has been challenged once again; what are we to do now?
15 posted on 01/29/2004 7:04:22 PM PST by winker
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To: ambrose
LOL. Your killing me.........


16 posted on 01/29/2004 7:09:13 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Happy2BMe
.............two naval missile launchers and 10 missiles. Each missile is capable of being outfitted with nuclear warheads.

This can be viewed as a greater threat than was Iraq and call for immediate preemptive strike !

17 posted on 01/29/2004 7:18:30 PM PST by varon
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To: Travelgirl; sweetliberty; Budge
And Mexico's big enemy is????
18 posted on 01/29/2004 7:21:27 PM PST by TheBattman (Miserable failure = http://www.michaelmoore.com)
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To: TheBattman
"And Mexico's big enemy is????".. Hmm~ us perhaps?
19 posted on 01/29/2004 7:26:07 PM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Happy2BMe
Mexico - the 51st state. Illegal immigration problem solved!

Maybe I shouldn't joke. Some dim may think this is a good idea.
20 posted on 01/29/2004 7:32:48 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: Happy2BMe
With friends like these, who needs enemas??
21 posted on 01/29/2004 7:37:58 PM PST by tracer (ay)
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To: winker
What would prevent China or North Korea providing even more sophisticated equipment to El Presidente to toy around with.

What makes you think Isreal won't sell them "sophisticated" toys?
22 posted on 01/29/2004 7:44:14 PM PST by mr.pink
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To: winker
" Every day brings new challenges in this hemisphere and the Monroe Doctrine has been challenged once again; what are we to do now?"

Jimmy Carter to the rescue?

23 posted on 01/29/2004 7:46:56 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe; ambrose
LA VOZ DE AZTLAN NEWS BULLETIN

Don't believe it til Debka confirms it.



24 posted on 01/29/2004 7:47:50 PM PST by JerseyHighlander (quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.)
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To: Kirkwood
It's inevitable.
25 posted on 01/29/2004 7:51:28 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: ambrose
Mexico:
2 ex US DDs, modernized and now classed as Frigates.
5 ex US Frigates
about 60 patrol boats of various sizes and ages.

A little weaker than the Canadian navy, but not by much:

Canada:
3 30+ year old destroyers
12 Frigates
2 subs + 2 pending transfer (may have been received by now)
12 patrol boats

26 posted on 01/29/2004 7:54:05 PM PST by PAR35
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To: ambrose; moehoward
Saar 4
 


 
In the early 1970s Gabriel anti-ship missiles were installed on “Saar 2'' and “Saar 3” “Jaguar'' type missile boats, as well as two Israeli built missile boats of the “Reshef”' class (“Saar 4”) which were based on a completely new design and construction by Israeli Shipyards. These missiles proved their effectiveness in the Yom Kippur War (1973), as Israeli missile boats sank several “Osa'' and “loomar'' missile boats with zero losses. 

A decade later, the long-range Harpoon missiles were introduced, as well as extended range Gabriel II missiles anymore advanced systems, implementing lessons learned during the Yom Kippur War (1973). Three “Saar 3” ships were also modified for anti-submarine warfare, equipped with sonar systems, ASW torpedoes and depth charge launchers. “Saar 2” and “Saar 3” missile boats remained in service with the Israel Navy until the mid 1990s. In the 1970s. Israel became self sufficient in ship construction, as Israel Shipyards assumed all construction work for missile boats and landing craft. 

New constructions included the stretched “Saar 4” class boats, which grew larger by 4 meters, to accommodate a hangar and landing deck for Aerospatiale Panther helicopters. Two ships of the “Chochit'' class were built, the first one bing “Aliya'' launched in 1980, followed by INS “Geula''. Two additional stretched “Noshav'' class boats were built without these social facilities, providing additional space for a capon systems and stores. Some “Saar 4'' class boats also assumed the ASW role, equipped with various sonar systems, including an EDO towed array system, ASW torpedoes and torpedo decoys systems.

The Saar 4 (Saar) missile boats were built at the Israel shipyards and based on Israel Navy designs grounded in accumulated experience derived in the operation of "cherburg" (Saar 3).

 
Technical Data
 
Saar 4 Missile Boat
Length 58.1 meters 
Beam 7.62 meters 
Displacement full load 446 tons 
Speed 30 knots 
Propulsion 4 MTU engines 
Weapon systems Vulcan gun 
76 mm gun 
6 Gabriel sea-to-sea missiles
8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (see Saar 4.5)
Command, control and defense systems 


Saar 4 Anti-Submarine Missile Boat

Length 58.1 meters 
Beam 7.62 meters 
Displacement full load 446 tons 
Speed 30 knots 
Propulsion 4 MTU engines 
Weapon systems Vulcan gun 
6 Gabriel sea-to-sea missiles
8 Harpoon sea-to-sea missiles (see Saar 4.5)
Anti-submarine missile system 
Command, control and defense systems
 
 
Main Characteristics
 
General Characteristics:
Developed and built by the Israel Shipyards based on the extensive experience of the Israel Navy.
Proven operational use by the Israel Navy.
ILS support, maintenance and training.
Long endurance at sea.
Gabriel Mk II missiles
Guns- 40mm, 20mm
ASW

Dimensions:
Overall length 58.1m
Maximum beam 7.62m
Mean draft (max. load) 2.80m

Displacement:
Full load 445 t
Standard 390 t 

Speed:
Max. 33 kts
Cruising 19 kts

Operational Ranges:
At 19 kts 4800 n.m. 
At 30 Kts 2200 n.m
Seakeeping Up to state 5

Detection and Navigation:
Surface/ air search radar - Neptune/ S.P.S
C&C system (optional)

Weapon Systems:
Missiles - Gabriel MK II, up to 8 units
Guns - 1X40mm, 2X20mm
Machine guns - 3X0.5mm
Fire control radar - Orion

Communication:
Full range of HF, VHF, HVHF, UHF

Machinery:
- 4 MTU 16v 538 TB91 engines, Max. power - 3380 hp (per engine) 
- 4 propellers 
- Fuel Consumption - 154gr. /hp.h 

Electronic Warfare Systems:
ESM
ECM

Anti-Submarine Warfare:
VDS (optional)

Safety and Damage Control:
Fire detection and extinguishing systems and equipment
Life saving equipment

Accommodation:
Provides separate quarters for Captain, officers and crew
Air-conditioned


27 posted on 01/29/2004 7:55:45 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: TheBattman
And Mexico's big enemy is????>>>>>>>>


herself !!
28 posted on 01/29/2004 7:56:50 PM PST by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Kirkwood
Mexico - the 51st state. Illegal immigration problem solved!

We should have taken all of Mexico after the Mexican-American War.

29 posted on 01/29/2004 7:58:35 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: PAR35; ambrose; moehoward
GABRIEL

Gabriel Mk 3 A/S
 
The Gabriel has been successively updated to the current "Gabriel III" missile, with twice the range and a substantially different external appearance from the Gabriel I. It is available in both ship-launched and air-launched versions, with the air-launched version known as the Gabriel III "A/S" (Air to Surface). 

The Gabriel III A/S is powered by a stubby cruciform wings fitted to the midsection and cruciform tailfins for guidance. It has boost-sustain solid rocket motor and is fitted with a SAP warhead. 

While the Gabriel I used a semiactive radar homing seeker that required the launch platform to keep the target illuminated by radar, the Gabriel III has a dual-mode seeker that can be operated in "fire and forget" or "fire and update" modes. 

In the "fire and forget" mode, the Gabriel III is guided by an INS into the target area, with altitude maintained by a radar altimeter. It then turns on its active radar seeker to lock onto and attack the target after a search. In the "fire and update" mode, the missile can receive course corrections from the launch aircraft while it is cruising towards the target, allowing it to keep its radar seeker off until the last moment. 

The Israeli Gabriel III A/S is an advanced offshoot of the original Gabriel ship-to-ship missile system. The original Gabriel was a small, canister fired sea skimmer, designed to attack enemy vessels at wavetop level, making its approach extremely hard to detect. This newer, air-launched version is larger, with a range of 60+ km, and carries a high-explosive warhead weighing 150 kg. The guidance system of the Gabriel III/AS enables it to fly so low that it must be pre-set according to the current size of the waves. 

 
 
Gabriel Mk 3 
Gabriel Mk 3 A/S 
Category
Anti-Ship
Anti-Ship (Air Launch)
Length
375 cm
378 cm
Span
132 cm
108 cm
Body
33 cm
33 cm
Weight
560 kg (warhead 150 kg)
590 kg (warhead 150 kg)
Guidance
IAI 
IAI 
Guidance Type
Active 
Active 
Model
2-stage spr.
1-stage spr. 
Range
36 km 
60+ km
Speed
0.7 Mach
0.7 Mach 
Status
Antiship sea skimmer 
Air launch version
Entered Service 1982
 
Gabriel IV
 
There is apparently a new long-range turbojet-powered version of the Gabriel, the "Gabriel IVLR", and some sources state that Denel of South Africa has also built a 150 kilogram submunition warhead for the Gabriel. This unusual warhead has a main charge and 35 fragmenting submunitions that detonate in sequence at 5 millisecond intervals, with the fragments heavy enough to penetrate bulkheads. 
 
 
Gabriel IV
Range
200 km
Weight
960 kg (warhead 240 kg)
Length
470 cm
Core Diameter
44 cm
Span
160 cm
 
 

30 posted on 01/29/2004 8:01:54 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: Happy2BMe
I read this article several weeks ago, but the deal had also included two helicopters. I did not see this mentioned.

Lord only knows what they have up their sleeve.

31 posted on 01/29/2004 8:09:02 PM PST by calawah98
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To: calawah98
I do not understand the light heartedness in this debate. I think we, as Americans, are really spoiled and think wars and stuff just cannot happen to us here.

A properly lobbed missle in the direction of a laxly secured nuclear power station might make for a wee bit of a mess..huh?

And as for the price tag...hey, we bought those missles for Mexico..as part of the good neighbor plan. You know..dont ask, dont tell, illegals mailing their hard earned American dollars home.

There is going to be a rude awakening in this country .. and we only have ourselves to blame. Keep voting for the lesser of two evils like Allen Keyes said, and see where we are in another four years.
32 posted on 01/29/2004 8:24:07 PM PST by stillafreemind
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To: calawah98; ambrose; moehoward
"I read this article several weeks ago, but the deal had also included two helicopters."

"SAAR 4.5" - Missile / Gun Boat Helicopter Carrier

The smallest Helicopter Carrier of its kind in the world. Outstanding features of this class of missile boats include very high survivability, extensive power and weapon systems designed for the naval arena. The boat has the ability to detect and strike beyond the horizon.

Advanced weapon systems include improved Gabriel missiles, Harpoon missiles, anti-aircraft guns, a radar system and a command & control system.


ALIYA CLASS - "SAAR 4.5"

MISSILE/GUN BOAT HELICOPTER CARRIER

General Characteristics:
Helicopter Carrier
Various missiles (Harpoon & Gabriel)
Long endurance at sea.
Maintenance and logistic support by the Israel Navy are available.

Dimensions:
Overall length 61.7m
Maximum beam 7.62m
Full load mean draft 2.80m

Displacement:
Total displacement 488 ton
Light displacement 430 ton

Speed:
Max. speed 33 knots
Cruising speed 19 knots

Operational Ranges:
Range at 19 knots 4800 NM
Range at 30 knots 2200 NM
Seakeeping Up to state 5

Detection:
Radars: Neptune

Weapon Systems:
Missiles - Harpoon and Gabriel MK2.
Guns - 1X40mm and 2X20mm
Machine guns - 4X0.5"
AA missiles - Portable.

Navigation:
Gyro, Laz-17, Magnavox, Receiver, sal-Log, G.P.S

Communication:
HF, VHF, HVHF, UHF Transceivers.

Machinery:
4x538 MTU Engines driving 4 propellers
Engine max. output 3380 HP. each.

Safety & Damage Control:
Fire extinguishing system and Hand -held extiguishers.
Fire Alarm system
Foam generator & gun.

Accommodations:
Captain, officers, crew and air-crew have separate quarters.

Helicopter Facilities:
Hangar
Landing platform
Fuel tanks (jet fuel)
Safety systems

33 posted on 01/29/2004 8:31:40 PM PST by Happy2BMe (U.S. borders - Controlled by CORRUPT Politicians and Slave-Labor Employers)
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To: stillafreemind
I do not plan on voting for either of the lesser two evils.

Atomic Punk posted an article by Hon Ron Paul on 10/23/03,
"A Republic if you can keep it" I had printed it out, and sat an reread it today, he has the guts to get up and tell the House of Representatives, what they are doing, but they fail to listen.

It was an excellent article, an one that needs rereading every once in a while, to keep your priorities focused.

34 posted on 01/29/2004 8:38:33 PM PST by calawah98
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To: calawah98
Thanks..I will try looking that up and give it a read.

So..what are we conservatives to do? I hate not voting for Pres. but I cannot and will not vote dem or for Bush.

Thanks again.
35 posted on 01/29/2004 9:10:15 PM PST by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind
Maybe I read the article wrong. I see where the other article posted where helicopter is listed with the type of ship.

I am still looking for an answer, but have not came up with any one yet. I like the Constitution Party, but will have to wait an see.
36 posted on 01/29/2004 9:58:44 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Happy2BMe
Um, this is two patrol boats. The hype is ridiculous.
37 posted on 01/29/2004 10:09:24 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Happy2BMe
This is just ducky!
38 posted on 01/30/2004 3:33:54 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican and Write-In Tom Tancredo in March)
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To: Happy2BMe; All
Today begins an ongoing thread to add your links, important news,legislative happenings etc. all regarding the protection of our borders. There are now so many articles and news stories that it is good to have one place to view it all.
I will start off this thread with saying I believe we all need to contact our state representatives and those is our party who need to know this is not a one-horse issue that will go away.I have stated that all it takes is one issue to start a domino effect and the entire administration could fall apart. None of us wants that to happen. We also need to contact the media and make sure the democratic spin on this is not for political advantage. This issue is closely correlated with the War On Terror for terrorist's are using our open border's against us the same way they used commercial flights to attack us on 911.

Fight Illegal Immigration {{{Ongoing Thread}}}

39 posted on 01/30/2004 3:37:18 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Republican and Write-In Tom Tancredo in March)
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To: Happy2BMe
IMO Mexico should not spend on army weapons for the simple reason that they have no enemy who would want to invade them. It shoudl disband it's military and build up it's police force.
40 posted on 01/30/2004 4:20:35 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: mr.pink
Brings us back to my original question; "What do we do now?"
Is the Monroe Doctrine valid or not? We had better determine and stick to our guns!
41 posted on 01/30/2004 4:53:45 AM PST by winker
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To: stillafreemind
"I do not understand the light heartedness in this debate. I think we, as Americans, are really spoiled and think wars and stuff just cannot happen to us here.
A properly lobbed missle in the direction of a laxly secured nuclear power station might make for a wee bit of a mess..huh?"

Unfortunately, It will take something on this scale for Bush to take notice. But the thought of a Mexican Navy having a few used vehicles isn't much a threat. In two years they will be pulling parts from two of them to keep one operational.

42 posted on 01/30/2004 10:55:26 AM PST by moehoward
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To: cabron
TBLSHOW?
44 posted on 02/26/2004 3:58:20 PM PST by PRND21
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