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George F. Will: Freedom vs. Equality (RIP small-government conservatism)
Town Hall ^ | February 1, 2004 | George F. Will [Washington Post Writers Group]

Posted on 01/31/2004 9:21:22 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: Huck
Limited government is dead.

It suffered a pretty big body blow in 1996, and further in 1998, when after the 1994 elections, they actually tried to do conservative things in earnest - and got little popular support.

61 posted on 02/01/2004 8:19:01 PM PST by lepton
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To: staytrue
Two to one for Gore eh? 2004 will tell the tale.
62 posted on 02/01/2004 9:18:26 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: lepton
I think you overlook two developments that almost entirely account for the poor performance of the GOP in moving further agenda after they fulfilled the Contract:

1. Kweisi Mfume began his bloody-shirt campaign at the NAACP to get black voters out in bigger numbers. He succeeded, and the black vote went up by as much as (if I got the arithmetic right) as much as 60% over what it had been in previous elections. That vote alone almost entirely accounted for the 1998 surprise.

2. In 1998, the Lewinsky scandal just about blotted out the sun and nearly paralyzed the Congress. It energized the 'Rats who, embittered as well as stunned, fell into lockstep behind Tom Daschle and gave us the memorable spectacle of their rah-rah rally for the Felon on the White House lawn on the day he was impeached.

63 posted on 02/02/2004 2:51:23 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Et praeterea caeterum censeo, delenda est Carthago. -- M. Porcius Cato)
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To: lepton
Tax-free savings plans...as example.

Wouldn't be necessary if the government didn't take so much of your money to begin with. It's at best paradoxical that the government wants to be thanked for solving a problem it creates.

64 posted on 02/02/2004 4:38:02 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
So long as Uncle Sam is a 50% partner in almost everything we do, we will never be free. Please, the President used his SOU speech to talk about steroids! The ban on ephedra???? It is a sick joke for those of us who care to take responsibility for our own actions. Compassionate Conservatism is a joke and is Clinton's dream come true. Believe me, Clinton could only dream of some of the domestic spending initiatives that W has gotten away with.
65 posted on 02/02/2004 4:57:23 AM PST by chris1
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To: staytrue
Are you so sure that in the last 40 years, racism has been eradicated from the US ?

I didn't ask you to expatiate about whether "racism has been eradicated from the US," I asked you what the basis was for your charge that over 30% of people who want to stop illegal immigration are motivated by racism. That's a gross, unfounded insult, and you should not be allowed to get away with it any more than someone writing a racist post should. If you can't or won't answer my challenge, believe me, I won't be a bit surprised.

66 posted on 02/02/2004 11:42:15 AM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Texasforever
"There is NO chance for a red-meat conservative to get elected."

Unfortunately, there is some truth to what you say, but that only makes it all the more distressing when we forfeit the high ground with respect to promoting a fiscally-conservative, constitutionally-limited vision for America's future. Conservatism is hard, as it implies personal responsibility and accountability...sure, anybody can get behind the simplistic argument of "To everyone in accordance to their need, from everyone in accordance to their means"; however, this socialistic impulse has proven to be wrong in every society it has been tried. The Right must retain the high ground with respect to limiting the growth of the Federal Leviathan, and continue to make converts to our cause.

When we allow Federal expenditures to grow at a rate that exceeds that of Clinton and the DemonRATS of '93-'94, it blurs the differences between the parties and undermines our ability to make the case that Republicans can be trusted to be sober conservators of our hard-earned tax dollar.

FReegards...MUD

67 posted on 02/02/2004 12:33:18 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: quidnunc
However articulate, Will is still just an apologist in this article.

Some of his least admirable writing.
68 posted on 02/02/2004 1:04:12 PM PST by George W. Bush (It's the Congress, stupid.)
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To: Map Kernow
That's a gross, unfounded insult, and you should not be allowed to get away with it any more than someone writing a racist post should.

It is a guess. And the 30% number was always presented as a guess by me. I am allowed to guess. I never accused any particular person. I never accused you. It is not an insult. You are hyperventilating about nothing. If you have another guess, then say it. If you have proof the 30% number is too high or too low then show it. I will say that the number is definitely larger than zero and if you insist the number is zero, you are crazy.

69 posted on 02/02/2004 2:25:17 PM PST by staytrue
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To: chris1
Clinton could only dream of some of the domestic spending initiatives that W has gotten away with.

Because the Republicans nodding like bobbleheads at everything George Bush does are the same Republicans that were howling like castrated wolves when Bill Clinton tried the very same things.

70 posted on 02/02/2004 3:05:39 PM PST by IronJack
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To: staytrue
They may try to have tax increases to pay for increased spending, but that will fail because tax increases will simply result in less economic activity and less revenue. Then they will have to cut spending.

California is currently, a microcosm of what might happen on a national scale if the debt/spending/tax/welfare state system is not rearranged. The balance between economic health/growth and taxation and all that implies is on the line in Cal. The next year or two are going to tell the tale - and demonstrate whether Marxist social/political philosophy is workable. We already know the answer to that - it cannot work over the long run because of a fatal flaw - it ultimately leads to a total economic breakdown precisely because it does NOT encourage individual success because it destroys the INCENTIVE to excel.

Big government and everybody on the take from entitlements ultimately will lead to 95% tax rates - and just who the hell is going to work harder to give it to the lunatics in Congress? Such tax rates also require wage and price controls - and then we are right where the Soviet Union was a decade ago - right on the brink of collapse.

The RATs vision of America is NOT sustainable over the long run - and we are very, very close (one DemoRAT from Disaster) to a total meltdown. You think we can sustain a 50% tax rate over the long term? I say it will NEVER be enough for either the RATs or the Repubos to stay n the road that both major parties seem to be on.

We are caught between a rock and a hard place - those dependent on government entitlement constitute a large and growing segment of society - so large, in fact, that in a way, we are ALL part of the problem since we have been forced into participating in the Social Security/Medicare boondoggle. There is no comfortable way to pare down government at this point without some sort of major civil unpleasantness.

71 posted on 02/02/2004 5:19:08 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: quidnunc
An exceptionally good article by an always perceptive, always exceptionally good writer.
72 posted on 02/03/2004 7:57:29 AM PST by tdadams
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To: quidnunc
Bumpity
73 posted on 02/03/2004 9:30:54 AM PST by k2blader (Folks who deny the President's proposal is an amnesty are being intellectually dishonest.)
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To: quidnunc
Will deserves a special kick in the nuts for promoting the phrase "strong government conservatism" (and "'strong' is not synonymous with 'big'"). Someone recently posted Goerge Orwell's essay Politics and the English Language:
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. . .The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.

This may be the most nation-shaping election since 1932
Nonsense.

74 posted on 02/03/2004 11:55:59 AM PST by jordan8
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To: quidnunc
The bane of conservatism is single-issue idealogues. They simply will not accept the fact that successful politics is a series of compromises.

By series of compromises, do you mean first we compromise on CFR, then on the budget, then on the farm bill, then on the NEA, then on the assualt weapons ban, etc.?

Is someone who is opposed to all of those a "single-issue" idealogue?

75 posted on 02/10/2004 7:01:53 PM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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