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CA: It's time to flush Dornan's potty politics
OC Register ^ | 2/1/04 | Steven Greenhut - Op/Ed

Posted on 02/01/2004 11:10:49 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:06:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The first time I saw Bob Dornan in person was in Iowa in 1995 when he was running for the GOP presidential nomination. Assorted activists were invited to a small-group gathering at a downtown Des Moines hotel to hear this renowned conservative firebrand.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2004; abdurahamalamoudi; alamoudi; b1bob; calgov2002; dornan; electionushouse; islamicinstitute; israel; khaledsaffuri; libertarian; orangecounty; pottypolitics; rohrabacher; safa; saffuri; timetoflush
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1 posted on 02/01/2004 11:10:49 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: *calgov2002
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2 posted on 02/01/2004 11:11:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: NormsRevenge
That Sean Hannity show this week left me with a bad opinion of Bob Dornan.
3 posted on 02/01/2004 11:12:16 AM PST by cyborg
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To: cyborg
Really bad opinion. I always thought of him as well-meaning but over the top sometimes, but he really sounded like a jerk.
4 posted on 02/01/2004 11:17:22 AM PST by motzman (Dubya, Rudy, and Rnold...I trust 'em!)
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To: cyborg
Dornan is at once pugilistic, ego-maniacal, and ineffective.
5 posted on 02/01/2004 11:18:01 AM PST by Torie
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To: Torie; motzman
Not only that, but I felt he made Sean Hannity VERY uncomfortable and even embarassed him that day.
6 posted on 02/01/2004 11:19:04 AM PST by cyborg
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To: Torie
Yeah! and he uses hair coloring too. (What is with all these imported politicos anyway?)
7 posted on 02/01/2004 11:19:32 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: cyborg
painful to listen to, embarrasing, and classless.
8 posted on 02/01/2004 11:21:28 AM PST by motzman (Dubya, Rudy, and Rnold...I trust 'em!)
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To: motzman
Rohrbacher came out looking like a gentleman and I don't blame him for not wanting to speak to Dornan.
9 posted on 02/01/2004 11:23:39 AM PST by cyborg
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To: NormsRevenge
On Hannity's radio show, Dana sounded like a crybaby.

YES, DORNAN may be crazy, and he may be doing this for all sorts of wrong reasons...

BUT, that doesn't mean his main attack (THAT DANA HAS GONE SOFT) is untrue.

Dana has this seat because in the primary, he was the strongest PRO-LIFE candidate. He has co-sponsored NO pro-life legislation or co-authored any resolutions.

He has endorsed a more and more moderate group of candidates in recent years.

Just this year, he voted AGAINST free trade and FOR the Medicare Bill...

Just because Dornan is crazy, doesn't mean he's wrong...

Plus, any guy who publicly claims GAY is an acronym for "Got Aids Yet?" is my kinda guy!!!
10 posted on 02/01/2004 11:25:30 AM PST by Owens08
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B-1 Bob Bio <->,->
11 posted on 02/01/2004 11:26:33 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: cyborg
Ditto. I don't normally listen to Hannity 'cause Medved is on during his time slot here in liberal Seattle hell. I turned on Hannity and heard B1 Bob on Friday and listened to the bit between the three. Sickening it was. Hannity was definitely caught with his pants down when Dornan started on Rohrabacher.
12 posted on 02/01/2004 11:26:44 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: bigfootbob
I think Sean Hannity is going to try to get them to make peace. He was genuinely surprised that he was running against him.
13 posted on 02/01/2004 11:28:16 AM PST by cyborg
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BIO FRom politicalgraveyard.com as was B-1 Bob's in my previous post.

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14 posted on 02/01/2004 11:30:29 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: Torie
He's a white Republican version of a Cynthia McKinney or Maxine Waters.

Good for laughs. Even good for throwing bombs as a member of the minority party... but he is not well suited for the responsibilities of being a part of a governing majority party.
15 posted on 02/01/2004 11:34:48 AM PST by ambrose (My God, it's full of stars!)
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To: Owens08
He has co-sponsored NO pro-life legislation or co-authored any resolutions.

Funny, but I never noticed Ronald Reagan proposing any either.
Rational people don't waste time proposing crap that can't pass and will be found unconstitutional if it does.

So9

16 posted on 02/01/2004 11:35:04 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Goldwater Republican)
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To: NormsRevenge
Dornan has the right politics, but the man himself is an embarrassment. Always has been.
17 posted on 02/01/2004 11:36:57 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: bigfootbob
Over the years, I have come to find Bob's antics tiresome. He is not only over the top, everything in the world is always about him.

When we lived in Orange County and in his district, I once called to office to see to a matter involving a family member, a WWII vet, buried in Belgium. Though the matter could have been handled easily, neither he or his staff ever responded to repeated requests for assistance. We finally go help by going to another O.C. congressman.

If someone would call into a radio show with him as a host, they would normally mention their hometown. b would take that as a cue to go into twenty minute discourse on the history of the town, the closest air force base, the unit headquartered there, the planes at the base, their range and capabilities. When he was finished with this, he finally got aroung to the caller's question and it was time for a commercial.

I finally concluded that the guy may be a conservative, but he sure is a pompous windbag.

18 posted on 02/01/2004 11:41:23 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: cyborg
I agree. It did me ,too. I thought he was acting like a child.
19 posted on 02/01/2004 11:44:13 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: NormsRevenge
I wonder if Bob know anything about this.

Thread on death threats

20 posted on 02/01/2004 11:44:47 AM PST by Missouri
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To: motzman
depressing, supercilious, and oblique.
21 posted on 02/01/2004 11:46:54 AM PST by Lazamataz (WANTED: Pretty, young chick to satisfy depraved desires. Must have clown suit, monkey, and vacuum.)
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To: Torie
Mendacious, overbearing, and orthoganal.
22 posted on 02/01/2004 11:47:44 AM PST by Lazamataz (WANTED: Pretty, young chick to satisfy depraved desires. Must have clown suit, monkey, and vacuum.)
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To: cyborg
Pretentious, soliphistic, and rectangular.
23 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (WANTED: Pretty, young chick to satisfy depraved desires. Must have clown suit, monkey, and vacuum.)
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To: Missouri
I don't know but didn't you all feel sorry for the other guy? And Shawn just kind of brushed him off. I really felt bad for Dana and Shawn too.
24 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:04 AM PST by beckysueb
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To: NormsRevenge
Dornan reminds me of Buchanan. They were two of the best the right had to offer in the 1980s. In the 1990s, time passed both by. Each is still seeking a way to remain relevant and in the public eye. Sad. Kind of like watching Al Gore.
25 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:38 AM PST by Young Rhino (http://www.artofdivorce.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yes, Bob's mouth gave us Loretta Brixey.
26 posted on 02/01/2004 11:52:07 AM PST by Consort
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To: NormsRevenge
Not sure I trust the OC Register on anything.
27 posted on 02/01/2004 11:59:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I just post 'em, I don't write 'em. ;-}

After the FRiday "ambush" on Hannity's show, I knew it would draw some interest.


28 posted on 02/01/2004 12:07:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Oh, I wasn't questioning your posting.
I think we need to know what most of the papers are saying.
Particularly when they are reputed to be conservative in some aspect.
29 posted on 02/01/2004 12:11:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I know that . :-]

I try to pull stuff from varied state rags and post to give folks a flavor for what different parts of the state are saying in their papers, especially on their editorial and opinion pages.

Sometimes it is comforting, other times, very disquieting.

Besides, we know some folks have "agendas" here and at the papers, whether they want to admit it or not, don't we?

Some of us just don't get paid in gold for the time we spend pursuing them is all.

Well, not directly, anyway. I get my satisfaction just stirring up the manure pond and getting the fumes blowing the right direction and hopefully informing and arousing the voting public. ;-]

30 posted on 02/01/2004 12:21:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: NormsRevenge; Torie; Trollstomper; cyborg; motzman; Owens08; Lazamataz; Mercuria; aristeides; ...
Here is the gist of the allegations.

Rohrabacher has been associated with and accepted Middle Eastern trips from Khaled Saffuri, president of the Islamic Institute in Washington, D.C.. Saffuri was once on the payroll of a group that invited to a conference a speaker who expressed anti-Semitic views. A founder of the Islamic Institute, Abduraham Alamoudi, allegedly has terrorism ties, although he was removed from the group. He gave Rohrabacher $500 in his 1996 congressional campaign.

That's about all there is to it.

Now consider that Saffuri is known in Washington circles as a moderate, and has been a repeat guest to the White House. He even had an official title on President George W. Bush's campaign. Rohrabacher, like Bush, has tried to build relationships with moderate Arab leaders.

This is, of course, crap.

Saffuri is the Norquistian pipeline for the Wahabbi Lobby into the circles of influence in Washington D.C., and well-connected to Islamic radicals and terror orgs at home and abroad.

This article on Rohrabacher and Saffuri appeared last Monday in Front Page Magazine:

Is the California Republican the victim of a sophisticated influence operation by Muslim extremists, or is he showing his true colors?

Top Jewish Republicans who have supported Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) for decades said in interviews that they have “serious concerns” with the California Republican’s ties to radical Muslim groups and their foreign backers, and his outspoken efforts to champion their cause in Congress.

“Before 9-11, Dana’s views seemed idiosyncratic,” said Arnold Steinberg, a political consultant whose ties to Rohrabacher go back to Youth for Goldwater in 1964. “We rationalized that he wasn’t fully informed or had a blind spot” to the Islamists, who were contributing to his re-election campaigns, hanging around his office, and sponsoring trips by Rohrabacher and his staff to the Arab Middle East.

Rohrabacher seemingly paid back those contributors by an “even-handed” approach toward the Israeli-Arab conflict, a key demand of influential Muslim backers. “Even-handed” is a code-word used by radical Muslim groups, such as the American Muslim Council (AMC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), to signify support for the Palestinian cause, including Hamas, and angry condemnation of Israel as a terrorist state.

After 9-11, Rohrabacher’s views and public actions took on a more sinister appearance, as radical Muslim groups began to count on him increasingly as support for their positions dwindled in Congress.

In a heated May 2, 2002 exchange with conservative talk show host Alan Keyes, for instance, Rohrabacher insisted that “[Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon and [Palestinian Authority President Yasser] Arafat are cut out of the same cloth” and claimed that “there’s been acts of terrorism committed against the Palestinian people as well,” statements that made Keyes audibly gasp.

When challenged, Rohrabacher claimed that targeting civilians “was standard operating procedure of the Israeli army for years of occupation,” when in fact the Israelis have consistently sought to spare civilians even at the price of the lives of their own soldiers, as was the case during the April 2002 battle of Jenin. Challenged a second time by Keyes, who called his comments “outrageously objectionable,” Rohrabacher reiterated his belief that “both sides have committed terrorism.”

Rohrabacher was one of four Republicans and seventeen Democrats who voted no to a May 2, 2002 Congressional resolution (HR 392) that expressed support for Israel as it faced a wave of terrorist attacks that killed more than 600 civilians. The resolution, which radical American Muslim groups lobbied against unsuccessfully, also stated that “the United States and Israel are now engaged in a common struggle against terrorism.”

Voting with Rohrabacher against the resolution were Democrats such as Cynthia McKinney, Jesse Jackson, Jr. (Ill), Barbara Lee (CA), Peter Defazio (Or), and Michigan Representatives John Conyers, David Bonior, and John Dingell, all of whom have taken campaign cash from donors who have publicly supported Hamas and other terrorist organizations. “Dana has allied himself with the anti-American left-wing thugs that we always opposed,” said Steinberg.

Some of Rohbacher’s Muslim donors are currently in federal prison awaiting trial on terrorism-related charges.

Steinberg is just one of a closely-knit group of Rohrbacher friends and supporters who have been trying over the past eighteen months to get the California libertarian to open himself up to other viewpoints. For years, these supporters - many of whom asked not to be cited by name for this article - have urged Rohrabacher to travel to Israel. When he complained that no one would sponsor the trip, they offered to pay his travel expenses, but again he refused.

“He was a journalist for years, he was in the White House, he was a member of congress since 1988,” one donor said. “Somehow, he never went to Israel, despite trips all over the world, and especially to Arab countries.” Rohrabacher finally traveled to Israel and the Palestinian territories as part of a three-day Congressional delegation in 2003.

“Dana has a very antagonist attitude toward Ariel Sharon,” says long-time supporter Howard Klein, a member of the influential Lincoln Club of Orange county Republicans. “But it goes much deeper than that. He doesn’t understand the strategic or moral imperatives in the U.S. alliance with Israel and the forces that want to drive Israel to extinction.”

Rohrabacher refused to answer questions for this article, on the grounds that the publisher of Frontpagemag.com, David Horowitz, has been “actively involved in trying to recruit someone to run against him in the Republican primary,” a spokesman said. But an aid who accompanied him on the trip to Israel insisted that Rohrabacher “spoke the same language” to Israeli and Palestinian leaders, infuriating them both.

“In Ramallah, he told [Palestinian security chief] Mohammad Dahlan that the Palestinians had to give up the right of return,” the aid said, referring to a long-held PLO position that insists on including Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war in a final settlement by allowing them to return to the properties they abandoned more than fifty years ago. “In Israel, he told the Foreign Minister that Israel would have to give up the settlements.”

Rohrabacher aids insisted that the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which regularly sponsors congressional fact-finding missions to Israel, never offered to take Rohrabacher along.

But an official at AIPAC’s legislative affairs department gave a more nuanced account. “We’ve offered repeatedly to take Rohrabacher to Israel, but he always had a scheduling conflict.” The one time Rohrabacher asked AIPAC to sponsor him was to make a trip during the Easter recess. “That happens to fall during the Jewish Passover, when nobody is around you can talk to,” the AIPAC official said. “We don’t do Israel trips over Passover.”

“Dana thinks Israel is a rogue state,” another supporter complained. “To our regret, he is turning into the Paul Findley of our times and has become a mouthpiece for extremist views.” Former Illinois Congressman Findley has been lionized by radical Muslim groups for denouncing AIPAC lobbying efforts in Congress.

Shawn Steele, a recent chairman of the California Republican Party, counts himself as a long-time Rohrabacher supporter. “Dana is my best friend, and I’m deeply involved with his re-election campaign, but I have been unhappy with some of his utterances.”

While he was serving as state Republican Party chairman, Steele proudly opened the Party to local Muslims. Recently, however, he ran afoul of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) when he told a “support the troops” rally sponsored by the University of Southern California chapter of College Republicans that the Muslim community “has a cancer growing within it, which hates Jews, hates freedom, and hates Western society.”

Following that speech, Steele says he was barraged with hate mail from CAIR supporters, and was ultimately sued by a top CAIR official in California. The official’s suit was dismissed by Orange County Superior Court last December.

Steele believes that Rohrabacher is “in the process of changing his views,” and has been “dismayed with the lack of support for the U.S. mission in Iraq among his Muslim friends.”

Foremost among those friends is Khaled Saffuri, a former government affairs director of the American Muslim Council who has coordinated contributions to Rohrabacher’s re-election campaigns from Muslim donors, some of whom today are in federal prison on terrorism-related charges.

While at AMC, Saffuri worked under AMC Executive Director Abdulrahman Alamoudi, who was jailed last October on charges of illegally laundering money from the Libyan government. At a September 2000 rally in Lafayette Park in front of the White House, Alamoudi led followers in chanting their support for Hamas and Lebanon’s Hezbollah, both of which are considered as international terrorist organizations by the U.S. government.

As AMC’s chief Washington lobbyist from 1995-1998, Saffuri worked to organize AMC members and contributors into an effective political force. Besides $10,400 in direct contributions he made to Rohrabacher’s re-election campaigns, he helped raise another $24,000 for in direct contributions to Rohrabacher’s campaign war chest from AMC members and sympathizers, according to publicly-available Federal Election Commission records compiled for this article.

Born to Palestinian parents, Saffuri has made a career in Washington, DC of putting a moderate face onto radical Islamic causes while mixing with a Wahhabi-inspired network of donors who include Alamoudi and former University of South Florida teacher Sami Al-Arian, who was jailed on Feb. 20, 2003 for his alleged involvement in the leadership of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, an outlawed terrorist group.

Even more disturbing are Saffuri’s ties to Jamal Barzinji, the head of a group of Muslim charities that has been targeted by a joint U.S. government task force investigating terrorist-related fund-raising in the United States, revealed here for the first time.

The charities, which include the Safa Group, SAAR, and Barzinji’s Marjac group of investment companies, are sometimes referred to by federal prosecutors as “555 Grove street,” the address they shared in suburban Herndon, Virginia.

Organizations tied to Safa Group that were raided by the Greenquest task force on March 20, 2002 include the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO), the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), and al-Haramain, all of which have been linked by prosecutors to al-Qaeda.

A lawyer representing the Safa Group, Nancy Luqué, insists that her clients have not been charged with any crime. But a previously-sealed affidavit that lays out the government’s motives for the massive raid alleges that Barjinzi and the Safa Group companies were “suspected of providing material support to terrorists, money laundering, and tax evasion through the use of a variety of for-profit companies and ostensible charitable entities under their control, most of which are located at 555 Grove Street, Herndon, Virginia.”

Saffuri collected contributions from Barjinzi and thirteen other individuals who listed their occupation as officers or employees of Safa Group companies for a political action committee he established in April 1993, known as National Muslims for a Better America (NMBA).

For the five years of its official existence, which overlapped Saffuri’s stint as Government Affairs director for the AMC, NMBA shared offices with the AMC at 1212 New York Avenue, Suite 400. That was the same address listed by Abdulrahman Alamoudi in his contributions to NMBA.

Among the contributors to Saffuri’s AMC-sponsored PAC:

€ Hisham Al-Talib, who lists his employer alternately as the SAAR Foundation and Marjac Investment Group, the private company controlled by Barzinji.

€ Muhammad Ashraf, “an officer and/or director of Safa Group companies including Sterling Investment Group, Sterling Charitable Gift Fund, and York Foundation,” according to the government’s affidavit. Ashraf’s residence at 12528 Rock Ridge Road in Herndon was one of the locations searched during the March 2002 raid.

€ Mohammad Jaglit, a SAAR Foundation director consided by federal investigators as a key figure in the terror-support networks whose residence was also raided. The affidavit cites Jaglit as “an active supporter of [Sami] Al-Arian and [Palestinian Islamic Jihad], both ideologically and financially,” and notes that letters accompanying checks he sent Al-Arian from the SAAR Foundation instructed Al-Arian “not to disclose the contribution publicly or to the media.”

€ Yaquib Mirza, a Pakistani national considered to be the financial wizard of the Safa/SAAR network.

€ Basheer Nafi, identified as the “US agent of [Palestinian Islamic Jihad] in the affidavit

€ Iqbal Unus, a director of Safa Group companies “including Child Development Foundation,” whose Herndon, Va residence was raided.

During the entire period the AMC’s PAC operated, from 1993-1998, Saffuri was listed as its Treasurer. Altogether, he raised just over $28,000 for the AMC-sponsored PAC and distributed it to members of Congress including Rohrabacher and Democrats Cynthia McKinney, David Bonior, John Conyers, Bill Richardson, James Traficant, Peter Defazio, and Nick Rahall.

Saffuri dissolved NMBA in May 1998. Since leaving the AMC, he has severed public ties with his former friends and colleagues, joining forces instead with conservative activist Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.

Together with Norquist, he established the Islamic Institute in 1998 with seed money provided in part by donors in Saudi Arabia and by the Government of Qatar.

During the 2000 election campaign, Saffuri became the head of Muslim Outreach for the Bush-Cheney campaign, and orchestrated a meeting between Governor George W. Bush and Al-Arian during a campaign stopover in south Florida.

Since then, Saffuri and Norquist have helped set up meetings in the Oval Office with the president for AMC and CAIR leaders. White House officials have acknowledged that Alamoudi attended at least one of these sessions with the president.

Saffuri and Norquist have also set up meetings for leaders of radical Muslim groups with FBI Director Robert Mueller and with Attorney General John Ashcroft, to urge the Bush administration to abandon the USA Patriot Act. Government records disclosed in affidavits supporting the arrests of Al-Arian and Alamoudi show that the Justice Department has long sought to dismantle alleged terrorist-support networks operating in the United States, but lacked the legal tools for successful prosecution until the USA Patriot Act became law in 2002.

Rohrabacher voted for the USA Patriot Act in its original form in 2002, but also voted for amendments putting restrictions of government investigative powers that passed Congress overwhelmingly last year.

Rohrabacher friends and colleagues believe that Norquist initially introduced Rohrabacher to Saffuri. They point to the Congressman’s long-standing ties to Norquist, which go back at least as early as the mid-1980s, when they worked together to build support for anti-Communist insurgencies in Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia and Nicaragua.

“Grover has led a lot of people astray in recent years,” one Rohrabacher colleague said. “Saffuri would always call Dana’s office whenever he was doing an event, just as any lobbyist would do. He was well-schooled by Grover on how to be a politician’s buddy.”

Rohrabacher friends and backers in California discounted the campaign contributions from radical Muslim groups and their supporters documented here - $34,450 over a ten year period - as insignificant. “Dana can’t be bought,” one long-time friend confided. “What you are seeing here is a commonality of interest, not someone who has been bought. Dana is a lazy fund-raiser who has gotten used to running in a safe district.”

But Frank Gaffney, whose 11,000 word expose of Norquist’s ties to radical Islamic groups was published by frontpagemag.com in December, believes the apparently small amounts of money contributed by Saffuri and the Safa Group donors to Rohrabacher is misleading. “We tend to underestimate how much influence $2,000 can buy you. It means you are a maximum-level donor, so you get on the guy’s radar screen. I worry that Dana’s poor judgment has given rise to openings to people who shouldn’t have access to members of Congress,” Gaffney said.

He was not the only source who warned of a “classic influence operation.”

Key to understanding Rohrabacher’s ties to radical Islamic groups and the causes they espouse are several trips Rohrabacher has made to Qatar, paid for by the Islamic Institute and the Government of Qatar, according to Rohrabacher’s financial disclosure forms.

Coordinated in part with the Heritage Foundation, the conferences ostensibly focused on promoting free market economics in the Arab and Muslim world.

During the April 2001 trip, however – just months before the 9-11 attacks - Rohrabacher met privately with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. Wakil on the fringes of the conference, which Norquist and Saffuri also attended.

Wakil reportedly asked Rohrabacher to lobby the Bush administration for an increase in foreign aid to Afghanistan, apparently in exchange for a Taliban pledge to allow U.S. oil company UNOCAL to build a pipeline to bring oil from land-locked Central Asia to Pakistan and India. The pipeline project, as well as political support for the Taliban, were earlier championed by the Clinton administration.

Secretary of State Madeline Albright met with top Taliban leaders during a visit to Pakistan in November 1997, and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Bill Richardson went to Kabul in April 1998, just three months before Bin Laden operatives blew up U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing more than 200 civilians.

According to an AFP account of the Rohrabacher-Taliban meeting, Saffuri told an Al Jazeera reporter that "The position of the Taliban was flexible on most of the issues and the Afghan delegation showed itself to be ready for dialogue."

The Taliban later announced in Kabul that it had rejected what it considered were unreasonable demands by the U.S. side. Rohrabacher’s staff would not answer questions about the Taliban talks.

Norquist tried to downplay Rohrabacher’s meeting with the Taliban when asked about it by liberal columnist Josh Michael. “"Dana ran into some guy who was a representative of the Afghan government, and since he [Rohrabacher] had worked in Afghanistan he sat down and talked to the guy. They literally met in the hallway. I just remembered Dana mentioning that he ran into these guys ... and he yelled at them about blowing up the Buddhist statues."

Rohrabacher’s Democratic opponent in 2002, Gerry Schipske, tried to make a political issue of the meeting by accusing Rohrabacher of meeting “secretly” with the Taliban in violation of the Logan act, which prohibits private individuals from conducting foreign policy in the name of the United States.

But Rohrabacher never concealed the meeting, and indeed, told wire service reporters who were present in Doha at the time that he had discussed a “peace plan” with the Taliban.

Rohrabacher was quoted in the November/December 1996 issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, a pro-Muslim broadsheet, as calling the Taliban “devout traditionalists – not terrorists or revolutionaries.”

While Rohrabacher’s judgment on the Taliban – which he has since reversed – coincided with the policies of the Clinton administration at the time, it also fit nicely with the views of the Qatari and Saudi governments, who along with Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates were the sole international supporters of the Taliban.

“Dana was more naïve and more loyal than he should have been” when he agreed to April 2001 meeting, a former colleague said. “He listened to Saffuri and he shouldn’t have. Qatar is the influence-peddling center of the Middle East, and Dana fell right into the trap they set for him.”
Dana Rohrabacher's Troubling Friends
victim of sophisticated influence or true colors?

Frontpagemagazine (FR link) - January 25th, 2004 - Kenneth R. Timmerman

That Dornan is a buffoon may help Rohrabacher a bit, but he's got a real problem.

Neither one impressed me on the Hannity Show the other day, but Rohrabacher was less than forthcoming, and Hannity isn't up to speed on the background of this story, particularly with regard to Khaled Saffuri, and was snowed.


31 posted on 02/01/2004 12:22:43 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
Neither one impressed me on the Hannity Show the other day, but Rohrabacher was less than forthcoming, and Hannity isn't up to speed on the background of this story, particularly with regard to Khaled Saffuri, and was snowed.

***Hannity got sandbagged by the both of them. Thanks for the info. I know as much as Hannity does and hope he investigates.
32 posted on 02/01/2004 12:25:12 PM PST by cyborg
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To: NormsRevenge
IF B1's presence in the campaign can force Dana back to the right on those recent issues where Dana has drifted, then B1 has served a useful purpose to the conservative cause.
33 posted on 02/01/2004 12:26:02 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Sabertooth
Coincidence ? - Sean's dog's name is "SnowBall". ;-]
34 posted on 02/01/2004 12:27:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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That's why it is prudent to never divulge personal info in public areas. LOL
35 posted on 02/01/2004 12:28:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: Sabertooth
Well, putting aside the guilt by association bit, and the bearing of old grudges against Sharon, I agree with Rohrabacher about the abandoning of settlements bit (or most of them), along with abandoning the right of return. I wonder what Rohrabacher's position is on the wall, about which I am a big supporter.

What is most interesting about the article though, is that all who were quoted who criticize Rohrabacher on the Middle East, still support him, including Howard Klein, whom I personally know quite well, and is a straight shooter, with good judgment, both about policy and people, and is one the most respected memebers of the Lincoln Club.

36 posted on 02/01/2004 12:36:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: cyborg
***Hannity got sandbagged by the both of them. Thanks for the info. I know as much as Hannity does and hope he investigates.

You're welcome. Here's an introduction to Khaled Saffuri:

Dana Rohrabacher's Troubling Friends-victim of sophisticated influence or true colors?
      Posted by SJackson
On 01/26/2004 5:08:18 AM PST with 17 comments


Frontpagemagazine ^ | 1-25-04 | Kenneth R. Timmerman
Is the California Republican the victim of a sophisticated influence operation by Muslim extremists, or is he showing his true colors? Top Jewish Republicans who have supported Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) for decades said in interviews that they have “serious concerns” with the California Republican’s ties to radical Muslim groups and their foreign backers, and his outspoken efforts to champion their cause in Congress. “Before 9-11, Dana’s views seemed idiosyncratic,” said Arnold Steinberg, a political consultant whose ties to Rohrabacher go back to Youth for Goldwater in 1964. “We rationalized that he wasn’t fully informed or had a blind spot”...
     
 
Fight on the Right (Conservatives have to worry about the administration's Muslim program)B.York
      Posted by TLBSHOW
On 03/22/2003 7:25:12 PM PST with 24 comments


nationalreview ^ | 3/19/2003 | byron york
Fight on the Right “Muslim outreach” and a feud between activists. In February, a long-simmering and mostly behind-the-scenes feud between two prominent conservatives, tax-reform advocate Grover Norquist and national-security expert Frank Gaffney, burst into the open. At issue was the conduct of Norquist's energetic campaign to bring Muslims into the Republican party. While Norquist argues that Muslim political participation will be a key part of the GOP's electoral strategy in coming years, Gaffney charges that aggressive outreach efforts to Muslim leaders have brought the party, and in particular the Bush White House, dangerously close to organizations that have in the...
     
 
Friends in high places (newspaper links Islamic Jihad leader Sami Al-Arian to Norquist)
      Posted by TLBSHOW
On 03/11/2003 3:29:01 PM PST with 24 comments


St. Petersburg Times ^ | MARY JACOBY
Friends in high places WASHINGTON -- The rumpled, balding figure was spotted darting into the offices of Republican power broker Grover Norquist last July. When Sami Al-Arian emerged more than two hours later, someone was waiting for him. Conservative activist Frank Gaffney, whose think tank on national security issues has offices on the same floor, was eager to confirm a tip that the suspected Palestinian Islamic Jihad operative was next door. Best known for his high-profile campaign for a "Star Wars" national missile defense system, Gaffney for months had been quietly pursuing another project: trying to convince the Bush administration...
     
 
Senate Testimony of Dr. Michael Waller (Alamoudi, Islamists, & Muslim Chaplains)
      Posted by Sabertooth
On 12/13/2003 9:16:28 AM PST with 27 comments


Senate Judiciary Committee (Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security) ^ | October 14th, 2003
"TERRORIST RECRUITMENT AND INFILTRATION IN THE UNITED STATES: PRISONS AND MILITARY AS AN OPERATIONAL BASE. " Testimony of Dr. Michael Waller Annenberg Professor of International Communication The Institute of World Politics October 14, 2003 Statement of J. Michael Waller Annenberg Professor of International Communication Institute of World Politics Before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security Senate Committee on the Judiciary 14 October 2003 Thank you, Chairman Kyl, and members of the Subcommittee for holding this important series of hearings. Thank you also for inviting me to testify on the subject of terrorist penetration of the U.S. military...
     
 
Targets of terror financing probe had political clout (Norquist and Saffuri alerts)
      Posted by Sabertooth
On 12/12/2003 8:31:22 AM PST with 14 comments


Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | December 12th, 2003 | EUNICE MOSCOSO and REBECCA CARR
WASHINGTON -- Nine days after the federal government raided their homes and businesses, leaders of an alleged terror financing operation were given the opportunity to question the agency investigating them. The meeting on March 29, 2002, in the office of Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) is an example of the political clout of what the government calls the "Safa Group," a web of companies and nonprofits based in northern Virginia. One week later, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill met with Muslim leaders with connections to the Safa Group to hear complaints about the raids. The leaders are suspected of running more...
     
 
Michelle Malkin: Alec Baldwin, please leave, and take Grover Norquist with you
      Posted by kattracks
On 10/22/2003 11:43:33 PM PDT with 55 comments


Union Leader ^ | 10/23/03 | MICHELLE MALKIN
ALEC “The Bloviator” Baldwin has a new bosom buddy: Beltway Republican strategist Grover Norquist. The Bush-bashing actor-turned-activist and the Muslim vote-courting political organizer joined together at a Washington, D.C.-area conference last weekend to perpetuate bald lies about the Patriot Act and to oppose the “repressive” War on Terror (repressing terrorist suspects apparently being a bad thing). Baldwin and Norquist’s panel, titled “Strange Bedfellows,” was sponsored by the ultraliberal group People For the American Way (PFAW). When PFAW head and panel participant Ralph Neas ranted about the lack of judicial and congressional oversight of the Justice Department’s terror investigations, the audience...
     
 
A Troubling Influence - An Islamic Fifth Column penetrates the White House
      Posted by kattracks
On 12/09/2003 1:37:45 AM PST with 783 comments


FrontPageMagazine ^ | 12/09/03 | Frank J Gaffney Jr.
Why We Are Publishing This Article by David HorowitzThe article you are about to read is the most disturbing that we at frontpagemag.com have ever published. As an Internet magazine, with a wide circulation, we have been in the forefront of the effort to expose the radical Fifth Column in this country, whose agendas are at odds with the nation’s security, and whose purposes are hostile to its own. In his first address to Congress after 9/11, the President noted that we are facing the same totalitarian enemies we faced in the preceding century. It is not surprising that their...
     
 
3 Muslim charities lose tax-exempt status
      Posted by kattracks
On 11/14/2003 3:18:54 PM PST with 24 comments


AP | 11/14/03
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department announced Friday that it has revoked the tax-exempt status of three Muslim charities that the U.S. government has accused of diverting contributions to help bankroll terrorist activities. Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service said the action affects Benevolence International Foundation of Palos Hills, Ill., Global Relief Foundation of Bridgeview, Ill., and Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development of Richardson, Texas. The three charities have been designated previously by the government as suspected terrorist financiers under an executive order of President Bush, the department said. Once the government made that designation, it meant that...
     
 
Michelle Malkin: Alec Baldwin's new best friend
      Posted by JohnHuang2
On 10/22/2003 12:09:34 AM PDT with 32 comments


WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, October 22, 2003 | Michelle Malkin
Alec "the Bloviator" Baldwin has a new bosom buddy: Beltway Republican strategist Grover Norquist. The Bush-bashing actor-turned-activist and the Muslim vote-courting political organizer joined together at a Washington, D.C.-area conference last weekend to perpetuate bald lies about the Patriot Act and to oppose the "repressive" War on Terror (repressing terrorist suspects apparently being a bad thing). Baldwin and Norquist's panel, titled "Strange Bedfellows," was sponsored by the ultraliberal group People For the American Way. When PFAW head and panel participant Ralph Neas ranted about the lack of judicial and congressional oversight of the Justice Department's terror investigations, the audience...
     
 
Hiding in Plain Sight (Al Arian at the White House)
      Posted by Sabertooth
On 02/23/2003 8:53:24 AM PST with 354 comments


Newsweek ^ | March 3rd, 2003 | Michael Isikoff
For George W. Bush, it was just another campaign stop. But for Sami Al-Arian, a University of South Florida engineering professor, it was a golden opportunity. When Bush appeared at Tampa’s Strawberry Festival in March 2000, Al-Arian sidled up to the candidate and had his picture taken. < -snip- > Al-Arian’s politics took on a decidedly darker cast last week when federal agents arrested him at his home in south Florida and charged him with being a top leader of one of the world’s most violent terrorist organizations: Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ). < -snip- > Al-Arian certainly didn’t act like...
     

Related articles can be found under the keywords NORQUIST, ENEMYWITHIN, and GAFFNEY.

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37 posted on 02/01/2004 12:40:16 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Torie
What is most interesting about the article though, is that all who were quoted who criticize Rohrabacher on the Middle East, still support him, including Howard Klein, whom I personally know quite well, and is a straight shooter, with good judgment, both about policy and people, and is one the most respected memebers of the Lincoln Club.

Dornan is a far from perfect messenger, but he's better than none.

If I was in that district, I'd probably vote for Rohrabacher, but be glad he's getting scrutiny on this.


38 posted on 02/01/2004 12:42:51 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
Other than oppose the Patriot Act, just what has Saffuri advocated that is beyond the pale? I am sure you have the list. :) By the way, the AMC is supposed to be more "moderate" than CAIR.
39 posted on 02/01/2004 12:46:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, not directly, anyway. I get my satisfaction just stirring up the manure pond and getting the fumes blowing the right direction and hopefully informing and arousing the voting public. ;-]

My kind of guy, love what you do!

40 posted on 02/01/2004 12:59:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Torie
Other than oppose the Patriot Act, just what has Saffuri advocated that is beyond the pale?

He donated $20k to the Holy Land Foundation, prior to their recognition as a terror org, but when it was public knowledge that they were giving money to the children of palestinian omicide bombers. Saffuri and Norquist's Islamic Institute recieved over $150,000 in funds from Qatar, at a time when Qatar was donating $500 each to families of homicide bombers. Qatar, like Saudi Arabia, is a Wahabbi State, and is as reliable an ally. "It's OK, it's only Qatar" is not a compelling alibi for associations with the host of Al Jazeera. Saffuri was also one of several pro-Islamists who used their access to pressure Treasury Secretary O'Niell in early 2002, about Treasury's raids on the SAFA group, another since-outlawed terror org.

Saffuri's most suspicious activities revolve around his many associations with folks like Alamouhdi and Al Arian, who later turn out to be major terrorists whose capture was facilitated by the Patriot Act and similar legislation, which Saffuri has aggressively opposed.

How many terrorists, terror symps, and terror orgs have you accidentally done business with?

Yet it happens to Khaled Saffuri all the time.


41 posted on 02/01/2004 1:03:31 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth; NormsRevenge
If I was in that district, I'd probably vote for Rohrabacher, but be glad he's getting scrutiny on this.

I am in the district and am getting nervous about my choices!

42 posted on 02/01/2004 1:07:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
How many terrorists, terror symps, and terror orgs have you accidentally done business with?

Yet it happens to Khaled Saffuri all the time.

I think I would avoid the guy!

Thanks for the Links, very valuable!

43 posted on 02/01/2004 1:13:32 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
See ya later... got to go visiting for a bit and catch the game on big screen and consume copious amounts of beverages and foods.

Just Thank God you have a choice on who you vote for and the right to choose not to as well, unlike Cuba or China or a lot of nations in the UN. ;-]
44 posted on 02/01/2004 1:14:48 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: NormsRevenge
Have fun, I'll be watching the game , at least at first.

If the Patriots do what they did to the Colts, it will get rather uninteresting!
45 posted on 02/01/2004 1:18:30 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Owens08
He did something really good for me. Someday I'll repay him.
46 posted on 02/01/2004 1:19:45 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.")
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To: NormsRevenge
I like B1 Bob. I don't go around pretending I'm too good for him. I will admit that B1 may too rambunctious for today's brand of feminized politics where a Howard Dean is put down over a war whoop.
47 posted on 02/01/2004 1:28:07 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I expect a close one, but if it gets boring.. I'll be bach .. early ;-]
48 posted on 02/01/2004 1:28:12 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi Mac ...... /~normsrevenge - FoR California Propositions/Initiatives info...)
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To: cyborg; Torie; NormsRevenge; dennisw; Ernest_at_the_Beach
***Hannity got sandbagged by the both of them. Thanks for the info. I know as much as Hannity does and hope he investigates.

An afterthought:

Before Rohrabacher came on the Hannity Show the first time the other day, Dornan referenced the Front Page Magazine article I reposted at #31, and appeared to know his stuff about Saffuri.

When Dana bailed out because Dornan was on, I laughed in disbelief. I thought it was cowardly; I thought he squealed like a bitch; and I thought then and think now that the real reason he wouldn't appear with Dornan was because he is afraid to answer knowledgable questions about his ties with Saffuri, which were Dornan's main point about Rohrabacher.

When Rohrabacher came on the second time, after Dornan left, he talked about how Dornan was spreading lies to unnamed journalists that Rohrabacher was a homosexual, and other past slights, none of which I heard Dornan mention. It was a convenient out for Rohrabacher, and he went with the "Saffuri is a moderate confidante of President Bush" defense. Hannity doesn't know enough to know that's a highly inadequate repsonse.

The Rohrabacher appearance on Hannity reminded me of Grover Norquist's appearance on the Hugh Hewitt Show in December, on many of these same issues. Lot's of glossy, insubstantial evasions about ties to Islamic Fifth Columnists.


49 posted on 02/01/2004 1:58:48 PM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: motzman; cyborg
painful to listen to, embarrasing, and classless.

Which is really what cost him his seat when he ran against Sanchez in 1996 and when he ran against Sanchez again... who isn't exactly dripping in class herself.

50 posted on 02/01/2004 2:27:42 PM PST by hotpotato
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