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Moore Trouble: Alabama's former chief justice may challenge Bush for the religious vote
Opinion Journal ^ | 02/02/04 | John Fund

Posted on 02/01/2004 9:09:57 PM PST by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:06:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A big threat to President Bush's re-election could come if his conservative base chooses not to turn out and vote in large numbers this fall. That's one reason he told a congressional Republican retreat on Saturday that he supports spending caps on the exploding federal budget. But the president could also still face a challenge from a social conservative running as a third-party candidate.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: 2004; christianvote; constitutionparty; gwb2004; johnfund; nutcase; religiousvote; roymoore; thirdparty
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1 posted on 02/01/2004 9:09:59 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: onyx
ping.
2 posted on 02/01/2004 9:11:12 PM PST by ambrose (My God, it's full of stars!)
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To: Pokey78
"I am tired of judges who won't let us pray at high school graduations, football games and in public buildings pushing people of faith around," he thundered.

Matthew 6:5-6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."
3 posted on 02/01/2004 9:16:52 PM PST by lelio
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To: Pokey78
Wonder if he would pick Trancadero (sp?) as his running mate?
4 posted on 02/01/2004 9:16:54 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: lelio
"I am tired of judges who won't let us pray at high school graduations, football games and in public buildings pushing people of faith around," he thundered. Matthew 6:5-6 "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen."

Thank you. Let's not forget the scriptures in which Jesus describes the hypocricy of Pharisees who want to be seen praying in public in order to gain the approval of men.
I'm so tired of hearing about this Judge Moore and his antics as if he some sort of hero of the faith. The idea he would challenge Bush for the religious vote is obnoxious. He is an embarrassment.

5 posted on 02/01/2004 9:29:09 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Pokey78
I hate to say it.

But if he does run, it could hurt bush BADLY. If not badly, then enough to tip the scales.

Many conservatives are just aching to vote FOR someone because they want to, not because they feel they have no choice. Many will not give a hoot about the consequences.

7 posted on 02/01/2004 9:31:21 PM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: ambrose
LOL! It's just you and me now. LOL!

Hysteria over nothing. This is February. He'll not run.
8 posted on 02/01/2004 9:38:29 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: onyx
Who is next to spell doom for Bush?
9 posted on 02/01/2004 9:39:58 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
LMAO! Let me think........
10 posted on 02/01/2004 9:43:54 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: Pokey78
The guy is a nutcase.
11 posted on 02/01/2004 9:44:46 PM PST by RJCogburn ("Don't bandy words with counsel.".....Judge Parker, Fort Smith, Arkansas)
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To: Pokey78
I've said this man was a nutcase before, and I think this confirms it.
12 posted on 02/01/2004 9:50:39 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: William Creel
Apparently some people think that a backbone is undesirable in leaders!

I wouldn't want to confuse "backbone" with misguided stubborness regarding less than worthy causes.

13 posted on 02/01/2004 9:52:10 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jotmo
If he runs, siphons and splits social conservatives and a Democrat wins, it would be a huge negative blow to the social conservatives, would lock in Roe v Wade for another decade, maybe a generation, and would certainly help the ACLU destroy the freedom of religious expression in the public square. A lot of bad rulings the ACLU has caused and it cant be walked back through over-reaching.


This guy is therefore an idiot if he is thinking of doing this.

It is unfortunate he prefers grandstanding rather than winning the culture war. Judge Moore could have easily made his point by instead of defying that court order, simply enshrouding it with a statement declaring "The Ten Commandments have been stricken from the courtroom, but not from our hearts". He could have erased the 10Cs but left all the other quotations - to make his point even more! So many intelligent approaches could have been taken that would have shown the ACLU to be arrogant bigotted asses, yet they werent (sigh).




14 posted on 02/01/2004 9:53:31 PM PST by WOSG (I don't want the GOP to become a circular firing squad and the Socialist Democrats a majority.)
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To: lelio
Schools are allowing Muslim prayer rooms to be set up at schools, and children are excused to attend prayers. However, Christian children are prevented from prayer anywhere, anytime. I don't have a problem with the Muslim prayer rooms, but then don't tell me my child cannot also pray. That's selective discrimination.
16 posted on 02/01/2004 10:07:05 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the GREATEST NATION on the face of the earth")
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To: Pokey78
Judge Moore is insane.

He needs mental health care immediately.
17 posted on 02/01/2004 10:08:04 PM PST by My Dog Likes Me
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To: Pokey78
"Federal courts ordered him to remove it"

NO they didn't. They said to "Move" it from public view !

18 posted on 02/01/2004 10:14:23 PM PST by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: William Creel
If you want stubbornness, try arguing with me.:)

I love arguing with stubborn posters. Never give up and NEVER-EVER admit you are wrong. I think stubbornness is a great character trait. :)

And it makes for lively FR message board entertainment.

19 posted on 02/01/2004 10:17:23 PM PST by Jorge
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To: William Creel
Even Al Gore has a backbone. But the point is that he's kind of too stiff for his own good.
21 posted on 02/01/2004 11:21:27 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: cum_grano_salis
Third party candidates are going to be a fact of life while the two major parties continue the way the have. I'd like to see better third party candidates, but so far no one's figured out how to buck the laws that keep the two-party system in place in order to build real grass roots organizations. That leaves us with the post-communist left (Greens), eccentric billionaires, formerly mainstream politicians who are trying to salvage their careers, and celebrities who are either clueless about politics or nuts.
22 posted on 02/01/2004 11:35:05 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Pokey78
Maybe the types who would vote for this idiot could all go out in a field and throw pebbles at a rock, and mill around in a stampede and crush each other.
23 posted on 02/01/2004 11:42:59 PM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: tkathy
Maybe the types who would vote for this idiot could all go out in a field and throw pebbles at a rock, and mill around in a stampede and crush each other.


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Perhaps you are biblically and historically illiterate? Judge Moore is not, as he quotes the Constitution, the Bible, and the Founding Fathers with ease.

He is the farthest think from an Islamofascist.
24 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:02 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: BenR2
He is the farthest think from an Islamofascist.

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make that: "farthest thing"

Sorry!
25 posted on 02/01/2004 11:49:46 PM PST by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: Pokey78
The more Moore talks, the more he makes it obvious he is only out to use principle for his own aggrandizement.

Moore needs a reality check. He needs to act positive about getting MORE conservatives out to vote, not threatening to stay home.

The only thing Moore is hurting is his much vaunted principles.
26 posted on 02/02/2004 12:07:34 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: WOSG
This is disapointing because it makes his removal justified.
27 posted on 02/02/2004 12:12:36 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: Jotmo
Yep, almost as much as Dean going Green would hurt the Democrat candidate. Pretty much cancel each other out.
28 posted on 02/02/2004 12:17:22 AM PST by Eva
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To: OneTimeLurker
Wonder if he would pick Trancadero (sp?) as his running mate?

Wouldn't matter to this Christian conservative. A vote for either gets me exactly what I stand against. No thanks!

29 posted on 02/02/2004 12:27:20 AM PST by Krodg (...when you no-show for a decade, you ain't the base anymore!)
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To: Krodg
Judge Moore needs a lesson in humility. (pharasee and the tax collector?)
30 posted on 02/02/2004 1:08:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: CyberAnt
Schools are allowing Muslim prayer rooms to be set up at schools, and children are excused to attend prayers.

It goes far beyond that.

In California, NON-muslim children are being indoctrinated into islam -- by the public schools. And yes, it's mandatory.

It's pushing the envelope on the concept of "surreal".

31 posted on 02/02/2004 1:36:55 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Don Joe
Yes, I've heard that, and it is beyond reality. Parents need to pay more attention to what's going on in school.
32 posted on 02/02/2004 1:38:24 AM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the GREATEST NATION on the face of the earth")
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To: tkathy
You can mock and insult him all you want, but the fact is that if he does run, he'll get votes, and in no small number. Your efforts to belittle him will amount to exactly zero effect in that regard.

So, if you do want to woo those voters back, I'd suggest trying to come up with something a little more seductive than, "hey, you morons", which is pretty much what your love-call sounds like.

33 posted on 02/02/2004 1:40:32 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: longtermmemmory
Judge Moore needs a lesson in humility.

And how do you propose to deliver it to him?

Remember, he's quite popular around the country, and extremely popular in his state. The Governorship is likely his for the asking.

Hint: throwing virtual stones at him, and/or his supporters, is not likely to do much except further alienate them from anything you'd want them to do.

34 posted on 02/02/2004 1:44:24 AM PST by Don Joe ("Bush owes the 'base' nothing." --Texasforever, 01/28/2004)
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To: Pokey78
Am leaning toward a vote for the Honorable Roy S.Moore--for
President--or the cantidate he supports--other than his
reponse to 9-11 ... Bush has been as free with the give away
spending policies one can expect of the Democrats.His professed Christian compassion did NOT extend to defence
of Roy Moore-nor the Rule of Law-but he has defended Bill
Pryor instead?Bush has entertained and held counsil with
the Muslims --and with the homosexuals-but would not declare
support for a Christian event--nor for a Christian Jurist.
I would support Roy Moore -should he choose to run .
35 posted on 02/02/2004 6:30:25 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Don Joe
Remember, he's quite popular around the country, and extremely popular in his state. The Governorship is likely his for the asking.

You are right on target. Alabamians deeply resent "outsiders" telling them what to do. You could ask George Wallace...no, take that back.

36 posted on 02/02/2004 6:31:01 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Pokey78
He for sure has a political future. I would like to see him governor of Alabama, then President.
37 posted on 02/02/2004 6:35:19 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: lelio
Luke 11:1-4 ". . . as he was praying in a certain place,one
of his disciples said unto him "Lord teach us to pray,as
John also taught his disciples." And he said unto them,
"When ye pray, say Our Father which art in heaven. . .
the abuse of the passage in Matthew is seen in the public
corporate prayer offered up in millions of Christian churches around the world. The admonition in Matthew was
not against public prayer--but against the condition of
the heart-or motivation for such devotions.
38 posted on 02/02/2004 6:39:14 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: Jorge
>>Let's not forget the scriptures in which Jesus describes the hypocricy of Pharisees who want to be seen praying in public in order to gain the approval of men.

There is little danger of getting approval of men for praying in public in this modern-day version of Sodom and Gomorrah.

39 posted on 02/02/2004 6:39:23 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Pokey78
I admire Judge Moore but if he does this, my opinion of him will change. I'll take back the support I had for him. The Constitution Party is a threat to freedom in this country. I used to support them, too. What an idiot, I was. If they care about the future of this country those in the CP will run for office in Republican primaries. I'll support them there.
40 posted on 02/02/2004 6:42:49 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: RJCogburn
Only if one believes in such things as a written Constitution-- and Rule of Law. Only if a man is a
nutcase because he is cut from the same cloth as Wm.
Blackstone, John Locke, James Wilson,Alexander
Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.You ought take a trip to
the state Supreme Court bldg in Harrisburg Pa --and check
out the murals on display Jesus Christ in two of them--
and Bible quotes-- and Wm.Blackstone waxing about Law.
I would rather follow a leader like the Honorable Roy S.Moore than the squishy flan both parties have put up
since Teddy Roosevelt.
41 posted on 02/02/2004 6:55:12 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: CyberAnt
Schools are allowing Muslim prayer rooms to be set up at schools, and children are excused to attend prayers. However, Christian children are prevented from prayer anywhere, anytime. I don't have a problem with the Muslim prayer rooms, but then don't tell me my child cannot also pray. That's selective discrimination.

Just remember though to make sure you teach your child that even though the muslim kids need a room to "pray" it's for naught because a Christian can pray anytime anywhere silently and still be heard. Muslims have to do all sorts of silly, dangerous, crazy things to prove their "faith". Christians don't. Never forget "Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world."

Oh it angers me, to no end about the way things are, but when I read your post that thought was what came to mind. God is with us wherever we go, whatever circumstances we are in and no ACLU decision can ever take that away.

42 posted on 02/02/2004 6:58:37 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: Jorge
"less than worthy causes" ? I suppose honoring the
US Constitution and ones oath of Office is a less than
worthy cause? I suppose you are among those who think
Taco Bill Clinton was a great President too."Virtue Honor and Patriotism" adopted by the COntinental COngress,Nov.28 1775 "these principles still require exemplary conduct" of
every commander,. . . "Col Ronald D.Ray 1993 Talk radio
address.But then those Americans lacking these traits seen
in Roy Moore are comfortable with leaders as flawed as they.
43 posted on 02/02/2004 7:04:31 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: tkathy
Maybe the types who would vote for this idiot could all go out in a field and throw pebbles at a rock, and mill around in a stampede and crush each other.

They already do.

44 posted on 02/02/2004 7:09:29 AM PST by steve-b
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To: My Dog Likes Me
Your dog is as captive as you and just a dumb animal.
45 posted on 02/02/2004 7:11:26 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: tkathy
maybe the types who oppose Roy S.Moore are worthless captives--slave to any dog that will lie to them and throw
crumbs their way-stolen from someone else.
46 posted on 02/02/2004 7:14:49 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: longtermmemmory
I will VOTE for Roy Moore if he runs-- the more I hear him
speak the more I see a leader like this country has NOT
produced since the founding. Roy S.Moore reflects the
reality that we have a written Constitution that too few
in our govt. are willing to honor and defend.What have any
of these purported conservative --or even Christians done
to honor their oath --or the Constitution? Only in roy Moore
do I see our Constitution and Rule of Law reflected.
47 posted on 02/02/2004 7:21:57 AM PST by StonyBurk
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To: StonyBurk
. . . and maybe your dog is not even house trained, or particularly loyal.
48 posted on 02/02/2004 7:22:34 AM PST by Owen
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To: CajunConservative
Muslims have to do all sorts of silly, dangerous, crazy things to prove their "faith". Christians don't.

Thank you. You don't combat wackiness with trying to out-display them by beating your chest harder.
49 posted on 02/02/2004 8:39:34 AM PST by lelio
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To: CyberAnt
Schools are allowing Muslim prayer rooms to be set up at schools, and children are excused to attend prayers. However, Christian children are prevented from prayer anywhere, anytime. I don't have a problem with the Muslim prayer rooms, but then don't tell me my child cannot also pray. That's selective discrimination.

While there's selective discrimination, it's not to the extent that "Christian children are prevented from prayer anywhere, anytime". Christian children can pray by themselves silently virtually anywhere, anytime. A school that tried to prevent individuals from doing so would end up on the losing end of a lawsuit.

Where the discrimination becomes obvious is that Muslims are allowed to pray together in a separate area, and out loud.

50 posted on 02/02/2004 9:16:42 AM PST by jimt
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