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Ex-Presidents, Johnson Widow Call for JFK Film Probe
AP via TBO ^ | February 2,2004 | Lynn Elber

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by John W

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To: FreedomCalls
As I suspected. Any evidence I present you will dismiss as either fake, fraudulent, or "it doesn't matter".

You're getting your evidence from the murderers! Let's listen to the eyewitnesses and insiders instead.

Any opinion you have is irrefutable even when no evidence at all is presented. I might as well argue with a stump. Good bye.

Yep, you'll never convince me that things magically appear in this case.

101 posted on 02/02/2004 10:28:09 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: tpaine
The holes in the back of JFKs clothes are roughly horizontal from the 'fine gents' tie..

You have a picture of the wound on the body that you are ignoring. This picture taken a few seconds before the shooting shows his jacket riding up his back because of his brace causing the hole in the jacket to be not where it would be if naturally draped over his body when he was standing.


102 posted on 02/02/2004 10:30:26 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Euro-American Scum
We [Marines] can indeed shoot however, Oswald's marksmanship scores were in the latter third of qual scores. He was rated "Marskman": the lowest rating possible.

Expert
________________

Sharpshooter
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Marksman = Oswald

Most who qual Marksman do so after failing the first or even second qualification and end up as retreads who are then pampered through to the minimum qualification....or else they dont pass through Recruit training and are washouts sent home. They dont develope into moving target shooters after barely qualing on stationary targets, scope or no scope.

I on the other hand am a third award expert in both rifle and pistol [qualifying in the top third scoring bracket three times in a row]. I consistently placed head shots [9-10] from the 600 yard prone and I wouldnt be at all comfortable with the idea of trying to squeeze off the supposed shots that killed the President.

My experience tells me that Oswald was either one of the luckiest shooters the World has ever seen or...

...he wasnt the only shooter or more likely...

...not even a shooter at all.

JMHO

103 posted on 02/02/2004 10:39:00 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: FreedomCalls
Working a bolt and firing? Sure -- But no, I never 'tried it' in realistic terms, -- and neither did you..

Are you claiming you rigged up a moving target passing down in front of you then going away on a slight curve while you were at a 60ft high window looking through tree branches at the proper distances?

Get off it.
104 posted on 02/02/2004 10:39:16 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine; FreedomCalls
See #103
105 posted on 02/02/2004 10:47:31 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: LisaMalia
Your welcome, Lisa. Likewise here.
106 posted on 02/02/2004 10:47:46 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: FreedomCalls
That picture shows no 'bunching'.. The shirt & jacket holes align, showing no 'bunching'.. Portions of the written notes/sketches from the autopsy show the wounds lower on his back, conforming to the holes in his clothes..


Nothing fits, so we must aquits.. As Johnny should have put it..
107 posted on 02/02/2004 10:51:00 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: VaBthang4
Interesting. Makes me wonder if the pristine bullet was placed only for the purpose of connecting it to the rifle in the depository, which may or may not have been the rifle(s) actually used.
108 posted on 02/02/2004 10:52:12 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: #3Fan
And the exit wound from the bullet that went through the windshield and entered Kennedy's throat is...where?
109 posted on 02/02/2004 10:58:20 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: VaBthang4
Yep.. -- And I saw a lot of 'marksmen' qualified by frustrated NCO's, just so we could all get back to the barracks..


110 posted on 02/02/2004 10:58:40 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: FreedomCalls
A cheap ass bolt action rifle with scope and three rounds in 5 seconds on taregt at a moving away target? Think, man!
111 posted on 02/02/2004 11:02:57 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: FreedomCalls
No, I went out and did it! I used a Mosin-Nagant instead of a Mannlicher-Carcano since that was all I had, but it was simple even with the more difficult to use Nagant bolt. I did not have to rush at all. Have you tried it?

Try this experiment: Take a Mannlicher-Carcano, or any similar rifle that will break down only to where its longest piece is no shorter than 35 inches. Wrap it in paper. Carry it with one end of its long axis cupped in your hand, and the other end stuffed into the armpit of that same arm, as Oswald carried the supposed rifle.

BTW, there is no record of Oswald being a dominant center in the NBA.

112 posted on 02/02/2004 11:05:57 PM PST by per loin
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To: VaBthang4
Agreed. From an improvised rest, sighting through a scope, shooting a rifle-caliber cartridge through carbine length (weight) rifle, even the relatively mild recoil of a 6.5 round would make it awful hard to shoot three shots and get back on a moving target.

Also, wouldn't Oswald have trained with the M1? Very experienced shooters can manipulate a bolt action faster than a semi-auto, but I'm talking REAL experienced.

I doubt he could do it.
113 posted on 02/02/2004 11:06:06 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: VaBthang4
I wouldnt be at all comfortable with the idea of trying to squeeze off the supposed shots that killed the President.

My experience tells me that Oswald was either one of the luckiest shooters the World has ever seen or...

You're giving Oswald way too much credit. He made one fatal shot out of three attempts. One shot missed completely. One shot was well below the intended target (he was aiming at the head, not the back).

You're right. Oswald was lucky. Don't pump him up to be superman and say no one can duplicate the feat. That doesn't fit the facts: One fatal shot out of three. That's all.

114 posted on 02/02/2004 11:06:52 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: NMFXSTC
He thinks he's a rifleman.
But he's pretty well proven he really isn't..
115 posted on 02/02/2004 11:07:56 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
Well I never saw any pushed through without actually squeezing off the rounds but I also witnessed plenty of Senior Drill Instructors step in and begin coaching the recruits.

It's just a fact of recruit training: Some guys cant be taught to shoot...they just dont have the temperment. You accept their presence and try to get their scores as high as possible.

Marksmen just dont develope into snipers. I'd venture a guess and say with boldness that there has never been a single Marine sniper who began out as a recruit shooting a pizzabox.

Alot of shooting can be learned but it is first learned at recruit depot rifle ranges and taught by some of the finest shooters in the World...if you cant step up there, you're just not going to.

Graduation from BRASS F Marksman to Presidential sniper is just so overwhelmingly unlikely.
116 posted on 02/02/2004 11:08:40 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: BigBobber
So, who hit JFK in the brain-pan? Or are you saying that the back-neck shot wasn't fatal?
117 posted on 02/02/2004 11:17:12 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: BigBobber
You've interpreted "pumping up".

From what I understand, he supposedly scored two hits. One should be considered luck.

The other being a fatal headshot on a target moving away [getting away]...where you'd have to aim precise in order to strike the head. Plus he'd have to factor in the trigger pull on top of the precise aim point, all in nanoseconds of the second shot.

And oh yeah...the bullet would have to first bounce off of something in front of the president in order to actually come back and strike him from the right front.

Sorry Bro.

Most of life is commonsense and shooting is about as commonsense as it gets. You can either do it or you cant.

Oswald's Rifle scores scream [not hint] that he couldnt. Regardless of the weapon and or scenario.
118 posted on 02/02/2004 11:18:17 PM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: BigBobber
BigBobber wrote:

He made one fatal shot out of three attempts. One shot missed completely.

According to Spector, the last.. - Which makes no sense, but hey..

One shot was well below the intended target (he was aiming at the head, not the back)

Yep, but this first bullet supposedly hit 6" below the collar, which magically exits at the tie & hits Connally, and emerges almost pristine on a stretcher.

Then our boy re-aquires the target while working the bolt and snaps off the perfect head shot. Leaving him time to go for the guy standing down by the underpass..
Yep. -- It all fits..

To Alan Spector, it was all logical..

119 posted on 02/02/2004 11:26:15 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: VaBthang4
I was army, and that 'coaching' was when the qualifing shots all seemed to happen to be shot..
Did the range officer question NCO's ethics?
-- Bet me...
120 posted on 02/02/2004 11:36:34 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
According to Spector, the last.. - Which makes no sense, but hey..

No, your team says it was the second shot that missed. That's where the "three shots in 5.8 seconds" comes from. If either the first or last shot missed, it would allow 5.8 seconds for only two shots.

You Oliver Stone groupies who look to Hollywood lefties for answers are good at picking apart the Warren Commission. What you're not good at is forming a theory that fits all of the evidence in this case. Please explain to me where the multiple shooters were positioned and the timing of the shots to cause the wounds to Kennedy and Connolly and to match the Zapruder film.

Feel free to use the figure in Post 4 for your explanation. I'm dying to find out how the entrance wound to the throat came in from high in the sky. Where some consprators flying in a black helicopter over Dealy Plaza?

121 posted on 02/02/2004 11:43:42 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
According to Spector, the last.. - Which makes no sense, but hey..

No, your team

I belong to no 'team', hotshot.

says it was the second shot that missed.

Read the report.. Spector likes the third as the miss..

That's where the "three shots in 5.8 seconds" comes from. If either the first or last shot missed, it would allow 5.8 seconds for only two shots.

OK, fine, - the second shot went far above the limo to strike the curb near the underpass. -- Which makes the third even more rushed for our marksman. And more impossible for the rational rifleman to swallow.. - No wonder no one has ever duplicated such a scenario..

You Oliver Stone groupies who look to Hollywood lefties for answers are good at picking apart the Warren Commission.

Empty rhetoric.. Ollie is an idiot.

What you're not good at is forming a theory that fits all of the evidence in this case.

Nope, the warren commission failed, not me..

Please explain to me where the multiple shooters were positioned and the timing of the shots to cause the wounds to Kennedy and Connolly and to match the Zapruder film.

You tell me, hotshot.. I only know that the single gunman theory is flawed, as I've outlined.

Feel free to use the figure in Post 4 for your explanation. I'm dying to find out how the entrance wound to the throat came in from high in the sky. Where some consprators flying in a black helicopter over Dealy Plaza?

We're all dying to know what happened..
Why are you 'dying' to back up the governments version?

122 posted on 02/03/2004 12:11:47 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: #3Fan; FreedomCalls
So then what are you saying? The autopsy photo is a fake?

Kennedy didn't have earlobes and the back of his head was gone. Those photos are of someone else.

"The back of Kennedy's head" was not "gone".

The right parietal region of the skull was gone. The occipital bone was right where it should be.

If you look at the photo in Post 37 carefully, you can see the cavity where the right parietal bone and overlying scalp should be at the upper right hand edge of the photo.

The autopsy X-Rays confirm that the portion of the skull that was "gone" was the right parietal region and portions of the right frontal region. Radiologist Reports

On the X-Rays below, the lateral view (side view) is on your right hand side. On that lateral view, the face is towards your right hand side and the back of the skull is towards your left hand side. Black represents "air density" which represents, in layman's terms, "the part of the skull that's gone".

As to "earlobes", the photo in Post 37 is showing the superior-posterior portion of the ear.

123 posted on 02/03/2004 12:13:50 AM PST by Polybius
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To: VaBthang4
I saw a piece on TV where they had recreated the layout of Dealey plaza and the height of the 6th floor window. The 2 shots that scored were basically around 100-150 meters, and the vehicle at the point of the shots was moving directly away from the shooters position, straight line.

I didn't see it as an Expert shot (and I too shot Expert.) The most difficult part was the cycle time of the crap bolt action rifle Oswald was allegedly using.
124 posted on 02/03/2004 12:29:32 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: tpaine
Just as I thought. You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada in the way of an alternate theory of how Kennedy was killed. Tell us how it was done, and we'll see if your theory can stand up to scrutiny.

Face it, you're on the same team as a bunch of Castro-loving Hollyweidos and other assorted lefties. Their goal is to cover up for their little commie hitman - Oswald - and pin the blame on Republicans. And you believe them?
125 posted on 02/03/2004 1:06:38 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Allan Sherman, from his album "My Son the Folk Singer."

Also--

"There was a man, his name was Lang
And he had a neon sign....
Now mister Lang was very old
So we called it 'Old Langs's Sign.'"

126 posted on 02/03/2004 2:10:05 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: tpaine
You can't show us where anyone who ever tried was able to duplicate the shots..

Sure we can.

In fact, despite the claims of countless conspiracy theorists that "no one" has been able to duplicate the shooting that would have been required, in fact numerous recreations have had no problem whatsoever doing so. For example, CBS reconstructed the shooting for a 1975 documentary. Eleven volunteers took three shots each at a moving target using a Carcano rifle, without even doing any prior practice on that model of rifle. Their times ranges from 4.1 seconds (total) to slightly more than 6 seconds, with the average being 5.6 seconds and 2 hits out of 3. Furthermore, the House Select Committee in 1977 did a reconstruction and found that their test shooter could hit all targets with 1.66 seconds between shots.

Now tell us another funny one.

Laugh all you want, but serious riflemen have known for years that the single gunman theory is BS.

Horse manure. *I* could have made those shots, and I'm not even a "serious rifleman". And Oswald was better than I am:

He [Oswald] was also trained in the use of the M1 rifle (2). On December 21, 1956, after three weeks of training, he shot 212, two points over the score required for a "sharpshooter" qualification, the second highest in the Marine Corps (3). Such a score indicated that from a standing position, he could hit a ten-inch bulls-eye, from a minimum of 200 yards, eight times out of ten (4).

[...] Those in charge of the marksmanship branch who were familiar with Oswald's record praised his ability and said he was easily capable of carrying out the JFK assassination. It "was an easy shot for a man with the equipment he had and his ability," said Sgt. [James] Zahm [the NCO in charge of the marksmanship training unit]. Major Eugene Anderson, of the marskmanship branch, said the assassination shots "were not particularly difficult" and that, based on his Marine record, "Oswald had full capabilities to make this shot."

-- "Case Closed", Gerald Posner, p. 20.

(2) Testimony of Maj. Eugene Anderson, WC Vol. XI, p. 302.
(3) Testimony of Lt. Col. Allison Folsom, WC Vol. VIII, p. 304.
(4) Testimony of Lt. Col. Donovan, WC Vol. VIII, p. 296.

But then I guess Sgt. Jahn doesn't count as one of your "serious riflemen", since after all he's only in charge of marksmanship training.
127 posted on 02/03/2004 2:21:31 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: tpaine
OK, fine, - the second shot went far above the limo to strike the curb near the underpass. -- Which makes the third even more rushed for our marksman.

Nice try, but it's the first shot that missed, and the total elapsed time for the three shots (from first to last) was 8.3 seconds, plenty of time.

And more impossible for the rational rifleman to swallow.. - No wonder no one has ever duplicated such a scenario..

A wise man once said, "never argue with a fool, bet him money". So how much would you like to bet on your claim that "no one has ever duplicated such a scenario"?

128 posted on 02/03/2004 2:25:15 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: VaBthang4
The other being a fatal headshot on a target moving away [getting away]...where you'd have to aim precise in order to strike the head. Plus he'd have to factor in the trigger pull on top of the precise aim point, all in nanoseconds of the second shot.

"Nanoseconds"? The third shot came five seconds after the second shot. Try again.

And oh yeah...the bullet would have to first bounce off of something in front of the president in order to actually come back and strike him from the right front.

It would have if it had actually struck him "from the right front", but since it didn't, why are you going on like that?

Oswald's Rifle scores scream [not hint] that he couldnt.

Gee, really? "On December 21, 1956, after three weeks of training, he shot 212, two points over the score required for a "sharpshooter" qualification, the second highest in the Marine Corps (3). Such a score indicated that from a standing position, he could hit a ten-inch bulls-eye, from a minimum of 200 yards, eight times out of ten" (see previous post for source).

Got any more urban legends for us?

129 posted on 02/03/2004 2:28:48 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: BigBobber
And the exit wound from the bullet that went through the windshield and entered Kennedy's throat is...where?

In your imagination.

130 posted on 02/03/2004 2:31:11 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: #3Fan
There was a bullet hole in the windshield.

No, there was not.

131 posted on 02/03/2004 2:33:20 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: John W; grizzfan
I think you have to ask yourself why the "Elites," like Velenti, Moyers and others come out of the woodwork when theories are presented to the masses on film or tape. You don't seem to hear from them when the same theories are published in book form.

Thanks for the ping, grizzfan
132 posted on 02/03/2004 2:40:48 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The magic bullet theory is nonsense. I think Oswald was definitely on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting, but he had some help.
133 posted on 02/03/2004 6:30:12 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: John W
So, how DOES it feel, guys?

Signed,

Ron and Nancy

134 posted on 02/03/2004 6:32:36 AM PST by NordP (Peace through Strength - W 2004 !!!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
There was no need for the bullet to either turn or pause. The Magic Bullet Theory always was just a tired straw man argument enjoyed by half-wits.
135 posted on 02/03/2004 6:38:09 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Lunatic Fringe
That is one magic loogey...
136 posted on 02/03/2004 6:40:00 AM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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To: BigBobber
You have nothing, zip, zilch, nada in the way of an alternate theory of how Kennedy was killed. Tell us how it was done, and we'll see if your theory can stand up to scrutiny.

A rational theory can't be formed from the fouled evidence presented from the governments investigations.. -- We can only laugh at Spectors theory.

Face it, you're on the same team as a bunch of Castro-loving Hollyweidos and other assorted lefties. Their goal is to cover up for their little commie hitman - Oswald - and pin the blame on Republicans. And you believe them?

No I don't believe 'them'. Nor do I believe Spectors BS, as you do.. Calm yourself.

137 posted on 02/03/2004 6:44:40 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Didn't Ladybird Johnson own the land, about 2200 acres on Clear Lake south of Houston where the Space Admistration offices are located? We owned about that much land not far from there but it was not considered. Imagine that?
138 posted on 02/03/2004 6:47:44 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Ichneumon
This thread is a fascinating study in pathological thinking.

"Those shots can't be done."

"In fact, they've been done numerous times. Here is the evidence."

"The evidence is fake. Those shots can't be done."

There is no possible refutation to the argument that the evidence is fake. And the evidence for the evidence is fake.

It is a species of insanity. For years I've said that many people, some even apparently "rational" people, draw the conclusions they want to draw, and the real key to understanding such a person is to find out what he WANTS TO BE TRUE.

These people don't want the simplest explanation (Oswald shot him.) to be true. Do you understand? THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE.

139 posted on 02/03/2004 6:56:04 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Ichneumon
You say the CBS & HSC reconstructions were convincing, - yet non ever are, and more cartoons must be produced every year [bumper crop, 03] to keep the govs pathetic scenario before the public.
And Posners book is a joke, well refuted by many others..
140 posted on 02/03/2004 7:05:01 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: Ichneumon
OK, fine, - the second shot went far above the limo to strike the curb near the underpass. -- Which makes the third even more rushed for our marksman.

Nice try, but it's the first shot that missed,

A first shot missing and hitting the underpass curb is ludicrous, as the limo was nowhere near that line.. Only at the end of the sequence could an overshot missing the limo line up with that curb..

and the total elapsed time for the three shots (from first to last) was 8.3 seconds, plenty of time.

Belied by the Z film and the report itself.
________________________________________________

And more impossible for the rational rifleman to swallow.. - No wonder no one has ever duplicated such a scenario..

A wise man once said, "never argue with a fool, bet him money". So how much would you like to bet on your claim that "no one has ever duplicated such a scenario"?

Name your stakes, method of payment & show me your proof.
An even thousand be enough?

141 posted on 02/03/2004 7:22:43 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: Taliesan
Put your money where your mouth is..

Back up icky on his re-creation of Spectors scenario.
142 posted on 02/03/2004 7:26:52 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: tpaine
Been done. Thanks.
143 posted on 02/03/2004 7:45:24 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan
Yep, its shut up many a big mouth.. Yer welcome.
144 posted on 02/03/2004 7:48:57 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: All
Kennedy assassination links for all to consider (in no particular order):

Kennedy Assassination Home Page
Lee Harvey Oswald's Paper Bag
Guinn’s neutron-activation Analysis
Warren Report: Table of Contents
One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK
The Academic JFK Assassination Web Site
HSCA (House Select Committee on Assassinations) Final Assassinations Report
A Critique of The Warren Report
Attempted assassination of General Walker
Oswald interviews, Acoustic studies and other information relating to the assassination of JFK
Queen of Diamonds
Zapruder 313
Head Wound
Photos and Illustrations of the JFK Assassination
Zapruder Head Shot
A Conspiracy Too Big? Intellectual Dishonesty in the JFK Assassination
The Single Bullet Strikes John Connally
Changed Motorcade Route in Dallas?
Zapruder frames 312-314 animated
Frame by Frame breakdown of the Zapruder Film
The Zapruder Film is Authentic
New Orleans, and the Garrison Investigation
Close up of crack in limo windshield
The Bullet Fragments In Governor Connally: Were There Too Many To Have Come From CE 399?
Body Snatchers at Love Field?
The Case for a Bunched Jacket
The Case of the Bunched Jacket (Not the same as the link above)
X-ray Wound Comparison
Zapruder Film in its entirety
Dallas Motorcycle Police Eyewitness Accounts

Free Republic threads on the Kennedy Assassination:

Running down a footnote to assassination
The man who solved the Kennedy assassination
Case Closed: a letter to Gerald Posner (re: Kennedy assassination)
Warren (Commission) Was Right - The JFK case should be closed
Kennedy assassination solved!
Peter Jennings "JFK" Report: Oswald acted alone, go back to sleep...
Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Assassination
Who Killed JFK?
New Evidence in Kennedy Killing (Dallas not Mass)
Nellie Connally Disputes Warren Commission
JFK's fatal head wound: The truth for those who want to know (very graphic)
The Mystery of Marina Oswald
LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, upcoming book contends (I like this one best)
Thirty-nine years after JFK's assassination...
***New study of JFK assassination backs theory of "grassy knoll" Thread 2***
New study of JFK assassination backs....... Thread 3
New study of JFK assassination backs....... Thread 4
New study of JFK assassination ---- Thread 5
New study of JFK assassination ---- Thread 6
Echo correlation analysis and acoustic evidence in the Kennedy assassination
Running down a footnote to assassination

Let me know of any others not on the list.

145 posted on 02/03/2004 7:53:16 AM PST by Tares
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To: tpaine
The Warren Commission explanation of the events of the assissination is the best one put forth so far. Not one of the Warren Commision critics, not one, after forty years, has come up with a better explanation. You're a sharp guy. You've read up on the subject. Tell me how all the wounds were made, where the gunmen were standing, and the sequence of shots.

If there was a government coverup, they would have destroyed evidence, not faked it. The Zapruder film would have disappeared. The autopsy records would have disappeared. The magic bullet would have disappeared.
146 posted on 02/03/2004 7:58:59 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
A rational theory can't be formed from the fouled evidence presented from the governments investigations.. -- We can only laugh at Spectors theory.

Face it, you're on the same team as a bunch of Castro-loving Hollyweidos and other assorted lefties. Their goal is to cover up for their little commie hitman - Oswald - and pin the blame on Republicans. And you believe them?

No I don't believe 'them'. Nor do I believe Spectors BS, as you do.. Calm yourself.

The Warren Commission explanation of the events of the assissination is the best one put forth so far.

Spectors lone assassin, single bullet theory is a joke. Always was.

Not one of the Warren Commision critics, not one, after forty years, has come up with a better explanation.

How can we? The investigation was botched.. Even members of the commission later admitted that fact.

< You're a sharp guy. You've read up on the subject. Tell me how all the wounds were made, where the gunmen were standing, and the sequence of shots.

Read much? -- I can't explain it. The burden of proof was on the US gov, and they failed to convince most everyone.

If there was a government coverup, they would have destroyed evidence, not faked it. The Zapruder film would have disappeared. The autopsy records would have disappeared. The magic bullet would have disappeared.

Get a grip on reality. There are limits. Even members of the commission at the time were uncomfortable about how blatantly some of the evidence was being manipulated. -- And it hit the fan when the report came out..

-- I, and thousands like me, -- were writing letters to the editor in late '64, laughing at Spectors silly theory, long before any books or gollywood films hit the street..

147 posted on 02/03/2004 8:27:49 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: Tares
What happened in Dealy Plaza that day can never fully explain the why nor the how of John Kennedys' murder. As in any homicide case, you have to look into events leading up to it to determine the why. You cant discount Oswalds activities in New Orleans which clearly show his very close involvement with U.S. intelligence and Carlos Marcello. You must consider the evidence showing that a plan to murder Kennedy was in motion long before he came to Dallas. The Milteer tape proves that he was first to be killed in Miami. The importance of that location should be clear to anyone familiar with the Kennedy administration.

By anyones estimation, Oswald was a fool and easily manipulated. The K.G.B. thought he was an idiot and wanted nothing to do with him. He was a loser who wanted to be more than what he was. Clearly, he brought the rifle into the building that day. And clearly, he was set up to take the blame. Who gave his name to the police? I doubt that he wrote it on the butt of the rifle.

A nurse and a doctor at Parkland both stated that they observed an entrance wound to Kennedy's head just above the right temple. They also described the throat wound as a wound of entry. And they described the back of his head as being blown out.

And then there's Ruby. He should get a medal for saving the gene pool that day. But, his explanation for why he killed Oswald is certainly not believable. His long standing involvement with organized crime is irrefutable and cant be discounted.

So, who killed J.F.K.? To say that it was a lone nut ( Oswald ) acting all by himself is to say that he was like Charles Whitman in the U.T. tower and ignore all of Oswalds history.I dont buy it. I say it was Joe Dimaggio firing away from the picket fence.

148 posted on 02/03/2004 8:32:50 AM PST by MAWG
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To: FreedomCalls
WAS the weapon automatic or did it need to be reloaded each time, I seem to remember seeing the rifle and could not tell the dif.
149 posted on 02/03/2004 9:01:47 AM PST by douglas1 (i)
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To: douglas1
It was a bolt action. Assuming the first round was chambered, the shooter would have to work the bolt twice to fire the weapon three times.
150 posted on 02/03/2004 9:08:50 AM PST by MAWG
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