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Ex-Presidents, Johnson Widow Call for JFK Film Probe
AP via TBO ^ | February 2,2004 | Lynn Elber

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by John W

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To: #3Fan
thinking that civil rights leaders were part of a communist conspiracy

They weren't?

51 posted on 02/02/2004 9:20:51 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I'm not sure I believe all the theories that the government, the FBI, Secret Service, the military, and the mob all conspired together... But why is it such a wild theory that more than one person conspired to kill JFK?

Especially when the House Committee on Assassinations admitted years after the Warren Report that it was a conspiracy.

52 posted on 02/02/2004 9:21:00 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: B4Ranch
?
53 posted on 02/02/2004 9:21:09 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: jordan8
You have NO idea if LBJ was involved....NONE....none of us do either....but we have suspicions.
54 posted on 02/02/2004 9:22:05 PM PST by Ann Archy
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To: John W
Maybe GW did it
55 posted on 02/02/2004 9:22:09 PM PST by woofie
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To: #3Fan
Did you read HCA report? And why was the HCA saints and the WC patsys?
56 posted on 02/02/2004 9:24:03 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Ann Archy
but we have suspicions.

Do you have the same suspicions that if you just believe hard enough that Tinkerbell will live?

57 posted on 02/02/2004 9:26:09 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Euro-American Scum:
Oswald got off three shots in five and a half seconds

______________________________________


As if that is difficult! LOL! You've never shot a rifle have you?
32 -FC-




You can't show us where anyone who ever tried was able to duplicate the shots..
Laugh all you want, but serious riflemen have known for years that the single gunman theory is BS.
58 posted on 02/02/2004 9:29:25 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: FreedomCalls
Go here and read up:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

I did for a moment and the bullet path picture was there too.


59 posted on 02/02/2004 9:29:50 PM PST by B4Ranch ( Dear Mr. President, Sir, Are you listening to the voters?)
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To: FreedomCalls
Explain how the bullet entered Kennedy at a 45 degree downward angle and the came out farther up on the body at the throat and then entered Connally at a 39 degree downward angle. A bullet entering Kennedy at a 45 degree downward agle would've exited his stomach and hit the floorboard before it ever reached Connally.
60 posted on 02/02/2004 9:30:03 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: B4Ranch
I did for a moment and the bullet path picture was there too.

To refute everything in it.

61 posted on 02/02/2004 9:31:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
"Obvious"?

Everyone involved was a friend of Lyndon, even the owner of the Depository, who got out of Dodge for that day and went to Africa. He didn't want to be around if the coup failed. lol

62 posted on 02/02/2004 9:32:50 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: tpaine
You can't show us where anyone who ever tried was able to duplicate the shots..

I can duplicate the shots! On the ABC special they had a 75-year (or so) old man duplicate the shots and he didn't even try hard. It's easy.

63 posted on 02/02/2004 9:33:18 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Finalapproach29er
Yup.
64 posted on 02/02/2004 9:33:25 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: FreedomCalls
They weren't?

King a communist conspirator? No way.

65 posted on 02/02/2004 9:33:39 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: FreedomCalls
Did you read HCA report? And why was the HCA saints and the WC patsys?

Admissions tend to be believable. No one has an incentive to say "I lied" if they didn't lie.

67 posted on 02/02/2004 9:35:51 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: LisaMalia
That's interesting. Sounds like he was waiting for his alibi to come forward. I suspect if he hadn't inferred he was going to name names he would have stayed alive a little longer.

Bumped into a website which has some interesting tidbits. Plug in Jack Ruby in the search function on the main page and check it out. Connect more dots from Chuck and Sam Giancana's book, "Double Cross."

68 posted on 02/02/2004 9:37:37 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: hoosierpearl
I seem to recall that Barr McClellan is the father of Scott McClellan, President Bush's Press Secretary.
69 posted on 02/02/2004 9:37:59 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: #3Fan
Go back and look at the picture in 37. If I place a finger on the point shown in the autopsy photo and another on the front of my shirt at the front where JFK's exit wound was, they line up tilted at more or less a 45-degree angle. Number 37 has a photo of the entrance wound, well, here is a photo of the tear in JFK's shirt where the exit wound was. Try it.


70 posted on 02/02/2004 9:41:42 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Go back and look at the picture in 37. If I place a finger on the point shown in the autopsy photo and another on the front of my shirt at the front where JFK's exit wound was, they line up tilted at more or less a 45-degree angle.

You're full of it! 45 degrees down from the back is the stomach!

71 posted on 02/02/2004 9:45:35 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: FreedomCalls
This should be interesting. -- Got a link or other evidence to your proofs?
-- Most, like that ABC farce, don't even make an attempt to duplicate documented conditions as they existed, as shown by the Z film, and can easily be debunked.
72 posted on 02/02/2004 9:46:41 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: mylsfromhome
The shot in the back was a good 6" down from the collar line and to the right of his spine.

Huh? Stop repeating stuff from Oliver Stone movies. The picture from the autopsy is in number 37. It looks like it was about an inch to an inch and a half below the collar line. Have you looked at the photo in number 37? It even has a ruler there.

73 posted on 02/02/2004 9:47:30 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: tpaine
Got a link or other evidence to your proofs?

Would you believe me if I did or would you just make up some other excuse? I'm convinced that nothing I do or say will convince you otherwise from you present beliefs. I've posted three photos. Where's your evidence*?

*You ain't got none.

74 posted on 02/02/2004 9:52:41 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Eastbound
If you get a chance, read "Judith Exner: My Story", published by Grove Press in 1977. It's not easy to find in book stores, so it would probably have to be ordered.

This woman had connections with Kennedy/Giancana, and did not tell her story until her name was exposed by the media. Very interesting read.
75 posted on 02/02/2004 9:54:15 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: John W
Ford, noting he was the last surviving member of the Warren Commission....

What was Specter's role? I thought he was on the Commission when he first put forth the "magic bullet" theory? Or was he just counsel?

76 posted on 02/02/2004 9:55:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: John W
I think it's pretty gutsy to call out a man that's been dead for over 30 years. I'm no fan of LBJ. Growing up in Texas, I know how crooked he was.

However, I'm also aware of four simple facts.

First, it is possible that Oswald acted alone. I don't think it's likely, particularly when he gets knocked off by a guy that runs a topless bar and has known mob connections. I have several other problems with this scenario, but the Ruby hit on Oswald is the biggest indicator to me that something bigger was going on.

Second, LBJ, even in his biography, was more interested in getting the Kennedy assassination investigation finished than in an actual investigation (in his book, he phrases it more like putting the American people's mind at ease or something. It's been years since I read it).

Third, so many people have traipsed over the evidence that it's impossible to clearly determine what is fact, wishful thinking, planted evidence, lost evidence, etc. Trying to discover the truth now is like trying to use a bloodhound to track someone who walked through Grand Central Station in 1963.

Fourth, a series of events took place that made the Kennedy assassination the most tantalizing mystery in US history. It happened in front of millions of people; there were videos and photos of it; the murderer wasn't seen by anyone at the time of the assassination; he got murdered a couple of days later by a guy who later died of cancer. It's a cottage industry that probably brings in more money than Roswell, the Loch Ness monster and Harry Potter combined. There will always be another theory, as long as there's a buck to be made.

77 posted on 02/02/2004 9:55:31 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: #3Fan
Where are you starting from -- the center of the back? Let me be real slow here for you. If .... you .... start .... from .... where .... the .... picture .... in .... 37 .... shows .... the .... entrance .... wound .... to .... be .... and .... follow .... it .... 45 .... degrees, .... you .... will .... exit .... just .... above .... the .... collarbones .... at .... the .... base .... of .... the .... neck.
78 posted on 02/02/2004 9:57:15 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Richard Kimball
There will always be another theory, as long as there's a buck to be made.

And a sucker willing to part with his money.

79 posted on 02/02/2004 9:59:00 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Eastbound
BTW, thanks for the link to the website. I'll probably be up alnight reading this stuff! Interesting!
80 posted on 02/02/2004 9:59:24 PM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: FreedomCalls
I've posted three photos.

That's like going to the Clinton library to prove that Clinton never committed treason. lol You're seeing what Hoover et al wanted you to see.

81 posted on 02/02/2004 9:59:59 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: John W

82 posted on 02/02/2004 10:04:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FreedomCalls
Where are you starting from -- the center of the back? Let me be real slow here for you. If .... you .... start .... from .... where .... the .... picture .... in .... 37 .... shows .... the .... entrance .... wound .... to .... be .... and .... follow .... it .... 45 .... degrees, .... you .... will .... exit .... just .... above .... the .... collarbones .... at .... the .... base .... of .... the .... neck.

Are you aware that 45 degrees is perfectly diagonal? Stand with your back against a wall in front of a mirror that's sideways to you, go perfectly diagonal from the back and you'll see the exit is at the stomach. Even starting at the very top of the back the exit is still at the bottom of the ribcage. Back-to-throat is upwards!

83 posted on 02/02/2004 10:05:08 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
You're seeing what Hoover et al wanted you to see.

So then what are you saying? The autopsy photo is a fake? The car's seats were not in the same position as depicted in the photo? And that is not Kennedy's shirt? It's all fake? As opposed to what? The evidence consisting here so far in this thread of a single hand-drawn illustraion that is wrong based on every photo taken that day? How many people were in on your "conspiracy"? Everybody with a camera in Dealy Plaza that day? You'll need a triple-layer of tinfoil to deflect that amount of bunkum.

84 posted on 02/02/2004 10:05:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
And a sucker willing to part with his money.

The pro-Warren Report book writers know that for sure.

85 posted on 02/02/2004 10:06:26 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Are you aware that 45 degrees is perfectly diagonal?

Are you aware that your collarbone is much lower than the back of your collar?

86 posted on 02/02/2004 10:07:20 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
The '64 report itself shows & documents the holes in JFKs jacket & shirt line up & are almost 6" down from the collar.


-- Which doesn't square with the botched autopsy photo you're touting.

-- And, - those holes do not line up with a bullet from the 'snipers nest' exiting JFKs throat.
Alan Spector made a really stupid mistake in releasing the clothes evidence..
87 posted on 02/02/2004 10:07:58 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: FreedomCalls
If you want to stump the Oliver Stone Fan Club members, ask them to show you where the shooters were positioned to cause the bullet trajectories in post 4.

If Kennedy's throat wound is really an entrance wound, Mrs. Connolly would have to be the shooter. Too funny!
88 posted on 02/02/2004 10:11:35 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: FreedomCalls
Typical.
All you have are your opinions that it was an 'easy shot' formulated from an ABC cartoon documentory..
89 posted on 02/02/2004 10:12:36 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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To: #3Fan
Are you aware that 45 degrees is perfectly diagonal? Stand with your back against a wall in front of a mirror that's sideways to you, go perfectly diagonal from the back and you'll see the exit is at the stomach. Even starting at the very top of the back the exit is still at the bottom of the ribcage.

I've borrowed this photo of this fine gentleman and tracing a 45-degree angle from the bottom of the knot on his tie upwards ends up at a position where the photo in 37 shows the other wound to be. Try it. Get out a protractor and use the image on your screen. Right now. Go do it.


90 posted on 02/02/2004 10:13:09 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: #3Fan
Hardly. There is Posner and Warren on the one side. On the other is a whole zoo full of conspiracy therorist's books.
91 posted on 02/02/2004 10:14:22 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
So then what are you saying? The autopsy photo is a fake?

Kennedy didn't have earlobes and the back of his head was gone. Those photos are of someone else. Earlobes just don't magically appear.

The car's seats were not in the same position as depicted in the photo?

Doesn't matter with a 45 degree entrance angle. The bullet would've hit the floorboard.

And that is not Kennedy's shirt?

Yes, that's his shirt. Think about who else was killed that day while Oswald was already in the theater by the way. There were two bodies in the morgue at the same time that looked a lot alike. How convenient.

It's all fake? As opposed to what? The evidence consisting here so far in this thread of a single hand-drawn illustraion that is wrong based on every photo taken that day?

With a 45 degree entrance wound it doesn't matter anyway.

How many people were in on your "conspiracy"?

Hoover, Johnson, and the police chief at least.

Everybody with a camera in Dealy Plaza that day?

Most of the footage wasn't realeased for years. Who knows what is real.

You'll need a triple-layer of tinfoil to deflect that amount of bunkum.

Was the Henry Marshall "suicide" really a suicide? Explain how a guy commits suicide with a bolt-action rifle and shoots himself 5 times in the head with it.

92 posted on 02/02/2004 10:16:35 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: tpaine
All you have are your opinions

No, I went out and did it! I used a Mosin-Nagant instead of a Mannlicher-Carcano since that was all I had, but it was simple even with the more difficult to use Nagant bolt. I did not have to rush at all. Have you tried it?

93 posted on 02/02/2004 10:18:32 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
Are you aware that your collarbone is much lower than the back of your collar?

Now you've got the entrance wound clear up at the base of the skull? Come on now, you're changing the evidence.

94 posted on 02/02/2004 10:19:35 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: John W
Johnson was a crook. I don't know if he was part of the murder plot. Isn't it just alot of fun to rewrite history any way you like. The liberal do it all the time.

Let see the next story if that FDR started WWII to save Russia from getting there ass kicked by the Germans.
95 posted on 02/02/2004 10:20:43 PM PST by Jimbaugh (They will not get away with this. Developing . . . . .)
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To: BigBobber
If Kennedy's throat wound is really an entrance wound, Mrs. Connolly would have to be the shooter. Too funny!

There was a bullet hole in the windshield.

96 posted on 02/02/2004 10:21:56 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
As I suspected. Any evidence I present you will dismiss as either fake, fraudulent, or "it doesn't matter". Any opinion you have is irrefutable even when no evidence at all is presented.

I might as well argue with a stump. Good bye.

97 posted on 02/02/2004 10:22:52 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I've borrowed this photo of this fine gentleman and tracing a 45-degree angle from the bottom of the knot on his tie upwards ends up at a position where the photo in 37 shows the other wound to be. Try it. Get out a protractor and use the image on your screen. Right now. Go do it.

That would make the entance wound in the base of the skull. The magic bullet entrance wound was in the back.

98 posted on 02/02/2004 10:23:46 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: FreedomCalls
Hardly. There is Posner and Warren on the one side. On the other is a whole zoo full of conspiracy therorist's books.

There a zoo full of books on the American Revolution too, that doesn't mean the Revolution didn't happen.

99 posted on 02/02/2004 10:24:48 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: FreedomCalls
The holes in the back of JFKs clothes are roughly horizontal from the 'fine gents' tie..

His clothes still exist.. They are hard evidence.. As is the Z film.

Most of the rest of the evidence has been compromised in one way or another.

100 posted on 02/02/2004 10:25:36 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but the U.S. Constitution defines a conservative. (writer 33 )
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