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Fact: KERRY is the deserter!
Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003. ^ | 2-3-04 | Jonathan M. Stein

Posted on 02/03/2004 11:48:44 AM PST by jmstein7

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:11:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

John Kerry ought to adhere to the maxim “people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.”  Perhaps, before he slanders Bush, he should reflect on his own record.  Kerry is a hypocrite.

John Kerry did not complete his tour of duty in Vietnam – he opted out; he cut and ran.  In March of 1969, despite the fact that he was not disabled in any way, John Kerry appealed to Commodore Charles F. Horne for an early transfer out of combat.  His request was granted on March 17, 1968.  A loophole in the rules permits a soldier who has been “thrice wounded” to request transfer out of combat.  Although Kerry’s wounds had been nothing more than band-aid “boo boos”, and he was perfectly fit to serve, Kerry explicitly declined to continue serving his country.  Kerry, for lack of a better phrase, opted to cut-and-run.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; 2004election; deomcratnominee; deserter; jfk; johnfkerry; johnkerry; kerry; kerryrecord; vietnam
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1 posted on 02/03/2004 11:48:44 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: Mich0127
BUMP!
2 posted on 02/03/2004 11:50:23 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Link/source?
3 posted on 02/03/2004 11:51:44 AM PST by The Game Hen (brevity is the soul of wit)
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To: The Game Hen
http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm
4 posted on 02/03/2004 11:52:24 AM PST by 2banana
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To: jmstein7
Kerry taking an opt out is hardly "desertion."
5 posted on 02/03/2004 11:52:58 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: jmstein7
Needs some documentation.
6 posted on 02/03/2004 11:53:15 AM PST by js1138
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To: RoughDobermann
It is as much as "desertion" as what he is accusing Bush of.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 11:53:24 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Well Jim. I am NO fan of Kerry and while I understand your passion, he did not desert. An "early out" is not desertion. He went through proper channels and the military both transferred him and then released him.
8 posted on 02/03/2004 11:53:56 AM PST by Enterprise ("You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say.")
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To: All

It is as much as "desertion" as what he is accusing Bush of.
9 posted on 02/03/2004 11:54:32 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: RoughDobermann
Neither is GW's missing a physical. What's good for the goose.....
10 posted on 02/03/2004 11:54:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: jmstein7
Destroying the language is not acceptable even if Democrats do it first.

This is not desertion.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 11:55:05 AM PST by SolidSupplySide
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To: jmstein7
His request was granted on March 17, 1968.

Wow! St Patrick's Day; I wonder if that is why he has pretended to be of Irish descent. Even the name is the same as an Irish County.

12 posted on 02/03/2004 11:55:08 AM PST by scouse
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To: All
SOURCE:

Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:W09CECkRl4MJ:www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml+%22boston+globe%22+kerry+charles+horne&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
13 posted on 02/03/2004 11:57:05 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Kut and run Kerry! Sounds good to me!
14 posted on 02/03/2004 11:57:25 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: All
It is as much as "desertion" as what he is accusing Bush of.

Neither is GW's missing a physical "desertion". What's good for the goose.....
15 posted on 02/03/2004 11:58:05 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Ketchup a coward. He's from the privileged elite like owl bore. No wonder there's so much resemblance in background and politics between Ketchup Carry and Owl Bore. Throw in Bubba Clintoon and the trio of cowardly stooges are complete.
16 posted on 02/03/2004 11:58:51 AM PST by lilylangtree (Olde English takes a long time to say, and we never say anything unless it takes a long time to say)
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To: jmstein7
If KERRY wants to call BUSH a deserter for missing a physical, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
17 posted on 02/03/2004 11:59:12 AM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
If Kerry went through the proper channels, I don't think there's a whole lot to pin on him. The only way something like this would be effective is if it contradicted other statements by him (something along the lines of "I was injured" or something like that).
18 posted on 02/03/2004 11:59:27 AM PST by sirshackleton
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To: Enterprise
Well not if you a Democrat anyway.
19 posted on 02/03/2004 11:59:49 AM PST by WHBates
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To: sirshackleton
If KERRY wants to call BUSH a deserter for missing a physical, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
20 posted on 02/03/2004 12:00:08 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
BUMP!
21 posted on 02/03/2004 12:01:50 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
An "early out" is not desertion. He went through proper channels and the military both transferred him and then released him.

Agreed. But one of the things for which the Dems attack Bush is his early release from service. Kerry obviously isn't a deserter, but then, neither was Dubya.

22 posted on 02/03/2004 12:03:20 PM PST by XJarhead
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To: SolidSupplySide
Yes, but Mcauliffe said "You can call it AWOl or whatever you want, it's the same thing." Well we don't have to call it desertion but Kerry certainly needs this thrown in his face as well. I think he "deserted" his comrades when he accused them of war atrocities, having never seen one.

Can anyone summarize Kerry's tour of duty and injuries? I bet most people, like me, thought he was an army officer but I'm hearing he was in the navy. And posters are saying his injuries weren't serious. What really happened? Scratch a dem and you find 24k BS.

23 posted on 02/03/2004 12:03:20 PM PST by Williams
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To: jmstein7
If KERRY wants to call BUSH a deserter for missing a physical, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Has he called Bush a deserter?

24 posted on 02/03/2004 12:03:55 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: WHBates
There are thousands of veterans who got an early out from the Military at their own request, and logically, many of them would have been Republicans. There are many reasons for an "early out" request. The military doesn't have to grant such a request, but regardless, it is not desertion.
25 posted on 02/03/2004 12:04:12 PM PST by Enterprise ("You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say.")
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To: RoughDobermann
Yes.
26 posted on 02/03/2004 12:05:30 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Bush is accused of not showing up for his National Guard duty. Your saying Kerry asked -- under the regulations of the Navy -- to "opt out" of combat duty and it was granted by his superiors. These are two vastly different accusations (one's illegal, the other is not - one, if true, would be desertion; the other is not).

Your grasping at straws here. Drop it.
27 posted on 02/03/2004 12:05:53 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: jmstein7
Yes.

Source?

28 posted on 02/03/2004 12:06:27 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
No, but it shows that he was more than willing to shirk his duty.
29 posted on 02/03/2004 12:08:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Your Nightmare; All
No. I won't drop anything. As long as he (Kerry and the dems) calls my president a "deserter" for allegedly missing a physical, then, by his own defintion, he (Kerry) will be known as a "deserter" for ditching the men he commanded in combat on a technicality.

He didn't have to leave -- but he did.
30 posted on 02/03/2004 12:08:17 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
BTTT (but recheck those dates)
31 posted on 02/03/2004 12:09:02 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: RoughDobermann
SOURCE:

Michael Kranish, John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making, Part II, The Boston Globe, June 16, 2003.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:W09CECkRl4MJ:www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml+%22boston+globe%22+kerry+charles+horne&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
32 posted on 02/03/2004 12:09:12 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
Where in that article does Kerry call Bush a deserter?
33 posted on 02/03/2004 12:12:19 PM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: jmstein7
Fact? We need a new definition of "fact" to fit this silly twist.
34 posted on 02/03/2004 12:12:29 PM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: jmstein7
God, I hope the Bush campaign calls me. I have a better way to dispense with Kerry than what you have come up with.

I have got to work for that campaign--not just stuffing envelopes, but strategizing. Kerry is so damn exposed.

Let him get the nomination and then let's knock the Hell out of him. The funny thing is, team Bush wants Kerry to get the nom. The Rats are so stupid. If we can't have Dean, let's get Kerry.
35 posted on 02/03/2004 12:12:42 PM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not committing treason.)
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To: jmstein7
God, I hope the Bush campaign calls me. I have a better way to dispense with Kerry than what you have come up with.

I have got to work for that campaign--not just stuffing envelopes, but strategizing. Kerry is so damn exposed.

Let him get the nomination and then let's knock the Hell out of him. The funny thing is, team Bush wants Kerry to get the nom. The Rats are so stupid. If we can't have Dean, let's get Kerry.
36 posted on 02/03/2004 12:14:26 PM PST by faithincowboys ( Zell Miller is the only DC Democrat not committing treason.)
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To: jmstein7
He didn't have to leave -- but he did.

You really should drop it. You're making a fool of yourself.

How many soldiers re-up when their combat tours are over? Some, but not most. They don't have to leave -- but they do. Are they deserters?

You need to stop posting things as "facts" when you have no clue what you are talking about.
37 posted on 02/03/2004 12:17:19 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
one's illegal, the other is not - one, if true, would be desertion; the other is not

Who’s grasping at straws now?

38 posted on 02/03/2004 12:18:55 PM PST by TankerKC (My life is a Country Song.)
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To: Your Nightmare
I'm not dropping anything. If you don't like it, then stop posting to my thread.
39 posted on 02/03/2004 12:20:41 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
All of this needs to stop...

Desertion is a serious crime which neither Bush nor Kerry are guilty of...

Technically, if someone is faking injury, fatigue, or any illness to get out of hazardous duty, they are normally charged with malingering...

You can not say that someone who did their time and faced the business end of an AK-47 is a coward....

You can not say that someone who had any type of permission to be away from duty is guilty of desertion...

Desertion is about leaving your post without being properly relieved in a time of war or national emergency with the intent to not return to that duty... These terms are starting to be used a little to loosely...

Where Bush would have had a problem is if his Guard Unit had been called up for active service and deployment to Germany, Vietnam, etc and he had not reported in... "Missing movement" or "dereliction of duty" charges would have most likely been filed....

And everyone knows that there is no such thing as a band-aid wound where automatic weapons are concerned...

Let's talk about the real problems in this country and stop being a smear network... Our national debate needs to make us look like we are going to elect the best candidate... Not the candidate with the most dirt on opposing candidates or the best spin machine...

Military service is not a green light or red light for serving in high office...

Issues, ideas, character, and leaving problems better than when you find them...
40 posted on 02/03/2004 12:20:46 PM PST by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: TankerKC
Who’s grasping at straws now?

What are you talking about? I just said if the accusation were true it would be desertion.
41 posted on 02/03/2004 12:21:50 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare; jmstein7
HELP! I´m a "deserter" myself. I was on active duty and then chose to serve in the Reserve occasionally. To avoid being called a "deserter", I should have stayed in the military. ROFL!

42 posted on 02/03/2004 12:21:52 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: jmstein7
Bush needs to fight Kerry with the truth...which, in Kerry's case, hurts a LOT. Here are the FACTS:

On Kerry's war record:

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

On Kerry's record on defense matters (REALLY lousy):

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040127-084854-4468r
43 posted on 02/03/2004 12:22:53 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Michael81Dus; All
That's just it... in reality, neither Bush nor Kerry is a deserter.

However, if Kerry chooses to call Bush AWOL or a "deserter," then turnabout is fair game.

For that reason, Kerry should "drop it."
44 posted on 02/03/2004 12:23:18 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7
It's not your thread. If you want your own threads, get your own web site.
45 posted on 02/03/2004 12:24:00 PM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: Your Nightmare
Now wait a minute! Everybody wants to be a legal genius. I strongly doubt that if W had missed a physical or not shown up one day for guard duty, that he would have been a "deserter."
So why are you so quick to say that what W was accused of would be "desertion?" First of all, W didn't desert, he wasn't AWOL, and there is zero evidence he did anything but serve honorably. Second, it is relevant if Kerry opted out of combat duty and got himself a desk job because he ABSOLUTELY has been campaigning on his WAR record. In fact, he can barely exhale without saying the words "I" and "Vietnam." IMHO he is an incredible scumbag because he is using his service in a war after returning home and calling his comrades war criminals. They were not, anymore than W was a "deserter."
46 posted on 02/03/2004 12:24:40 PM PST by Williams
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To: sirshackleton
Kerry requested out after three "wounds" in three months, none requiring hospitalization. In and out of Nam in four months, and completely out of the navy a few months later.

Sailing with JFK didn't hurt his family pull either.

By the way, does anyone know what his Bronze and Silver Stars were awarded for?
47 posted on 02/03/2004 12:24:40 PM PST by opbuzz
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To: jmstein7
Don't you think the Kerry campaign would counter your "he didn't have to leave, but he did" with something like "Kerry didn't have to go to VietNam, but he did -- rather than joining the National Guard and staying home, he went and fought"? You have a very weak argument here.
48 posted on 02/03/2004 12:24:41 PM PST by CalKat
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To: jmstein7
Yep. In reality, neither Bush nor Kerry is a deserter. I´ll leave it to that.
49 posted on 02/03/2004 12:24:47 PM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
That is something that has had me shaking my head for years. Assuming a reservist is performing all his drills and fulfilling his contract, how in all holy hell can ANYONE call someone serving in the Reserves a deserter!???
50 posted on 02/03/2004 12:25:02 PM PST by Enterprise ("You sit down. You had your say. Now I'm going to have my say.")
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