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Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages
EurekAlert ^ | 3-Feb-2004 | Dr Derek Ward-Thompson

Posted on 02/03/2004 2:54:24 PM PST by ckilmer

Public release date: 3-Feb-2004

Contact: Dr Derek Ward-Thompson derek.ward-thompson@astro.cf.ac.uk 029-2087-5314 Cardiff University

Astronomers unravel a mystery of the Dark Ages Undergraduates' work blames comet for 6th-century "nuclear winter" Scientists at Cardiff University, UK, believe they have discovered the cause of crop failures and summer frosts some 1,500 years ago – a comet colliding with Earth. The team has been studying evidence from tree rings, which suggests that the Earth underwent a series of very cold summers around 536-540 AD, indicating an effect rather like a nuclear winter.

The scientists in the School of Physics and Astronomy believe this was caused by a comet hitting the earth and exploding in the upper atmosphere. The debris from this giant explosion was such that it enveloped the earth in soot and ash, blocking out the sunlight and causing the very cold weather.

This effect is known as a plume and is similar to that which was seen when comet Shoemaker-Levy-9 hit Jupiter in 1995.

Historical references from this period - known as the Dark Ages – are sparse, but what records there are, tell of crop failures and summer frosts.

The work was carried out by two Cardiff undergraduate students, Emma Rigby and Mel Symonds, as part of their student project work under the supervision of Dr Derek Ward-Thompson.

Their findings are reported in the February issue of Astronomy and Geophysics, the in-house magazine of the Royal Astronomical Society.

The surprising result of the new work is just how small a comet is needed to cause such dramatic effects. The scientists calculate that a comet not much more than half a kilometre across could cause a global nuclear winter effect. This is significantly smaller than was previously thought.

Dr. Ward-Thompson said: "One of the exciting aspects of this work is that we have re-classified the size of comet that represents a global threat. This work shows that even a comet of only half a kilometre in size could have global consequences. Previously nothing less than a kilometre across was counted as a global threat. If such an event happened again today, then once again a large fraction of the earth's population could face starvation."

The comet impact caused crop failures and wide-spread starvation among the sixth century population. The timing coincides with the Justinian Plague, widely believed to be the first appearance of the Black Death in Europe. It is possible that the plague was so rampant and took hold so quickly because the population was already weakened by starvation.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 536ad; ad536; archaeology; astronomy; baillie; cardiffuniversity; catastrophism; clube; comet; darkages; economic; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; levy; middleages; mikebaillie; napier; nuclearwinter; shoemaker; velikovsky
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1 posted on 02/03/2004 2:54:28 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: blam
I think you have referenced this, haven't you, blam?
2 posted on 02/03/2004 2:57:26 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: lepton; kayak; Dog
Have you seen this theory?
3 posted on 02/03/2004 3:00:13 PM PST by Molly Pitcher
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To: Sam Cree; blam
I thought it was a massive volcano eruption.
4 posted on 02/03/2004 3:01:03 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: ckilmer
Big deal. Anyone who watches "Stargate SG-1" knows this.
5 posted on 02/03/2004 3:02:10 PM PST by pabianice
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To: ckilmer
The book "Catastophe" by David Keys is quite interesting. He blames it on a volcano. Whatever, it sure seems like something effected the climate and civilizations around the globe at around 536 AD.
6 posted on 02/03/2004 3:02:16 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I'm having an apotheosis of freaking desuetude)
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To: ckilmer
If there was this much dust in the atmosphere and it settled out there should be a soil layer that can be analyzed. Problem is where is the best place to look.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 3:02:51 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: farmfriend
I thought a large, alcohol-filled Kennedy relative fell into a bog and cased a massive release of swamp gas.
8 posted on 02/03/2004 3:04:43 PM PST by WayneM (Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan). Call your elected officials and say "NO!!")
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To: ckilmer
Without evidence of deposition from the comet's ash that corresponds to the timing of the Dark Ages, it seems like a huge leap in logic to go from evidence of cool summers, crop losses, and plague to a comet exploding in the earth's atmosphere.

Muleteam1

9 posted on 02/03/2004 3:05:36 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks ...very interesting.
10 posted on 02/03/2004 3:06:51 PM PST by Dog
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To: WayneM
I like that one.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 3:07:34 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend; Sam Cree; RightWhale
It was a comet that plunged into the Celtic Sea. Mike Baillie should be credited with this discovery.

The Dark Ages, Were Thay Darker Than We Imagined?

"Concluding Thoughts Ben Rudder, an anthropologist who reviewed in New Scientist magazine a recently published book by Baillie on the subject, wrote :"

"If Baillie is right, history has overlooked probably the single most important explanation for the intermittent progress of civilisation."

12 posted on 02/03/2004 3:09:02 PM PST by blam
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To: ckilmer
No, no it was Republicans and SUV's that caused this climate disaster--Al Gore told me so.
13 posted on 02/03/2004 3:09:30 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Muleteam1; Sam Cree; farmfriend
Catastrophic Event Preceded Dark Ages - Scientist
14 posted on 02/03/2004 3:12:27 PM PST by blam
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To: Muleteam1
Here's an interesting post that explains some of that logic. In some cases, ancient scribes wrote about the effects they witnessed firsthand. And the tree ring data testifies to how widespread the effects were.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 3:14:02 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
My kids' bedroom.
16 posted on 02/03/2004 3:15:12 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: ClearCase_guy
"The book "Catastophe" by David Keys is quite interesting. He blames it on a volcano. Whatever, it sure seems like something effected the climate and civilizations around the globe at around 536 AD."

I read that book. I think a better book on the subject is Mike Baillie's, Exodus To Arthur

Baillie has captured a number of worldwide events in the 10,000 year tree ring record.

17 posted on 02/03/2004 3:19:07 PM PST by blam
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To: LibWhacker
Did Asteroid And Comets Turn The Tide Of Civilization?
18 posted on 02/03/2004 3:22:27 PM PST by blam
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To: ckilmer; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; AdmSmith; Alas Babylon!; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

19 posted on 02/03/2004 3:26:34 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
You have to wonder how well modern civilization would stand up to something like that today. If the bollide were large enough, then obviously, no. But would we cave under exactly the same pressure that did in the ancients? Personally, I think not. We would understand what was happening to us and if we could maintain our infrastructure, we could weather the famine and plague. But let's not test it, okay? :-) Earth probably really does need a space shield.
20 posted on 02/03/2004 3:42:11 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: LibWhacker
"But would we cave under exactly the same pressure that did in the ancients? "

Yes, we would. 3-5 years is a long time to go without food. Consider that American cities are only stocked with 72 hours worth of food. The biggest/baddest (heavily armed) would be the only survivors. Most large animals would die too.

During the Toba volcano 75,000 years ago, only 2,000 humans world wide survived...that event can still be seen in the genetic record.

21 posted on 02/03/2004 3:50:02 PM PST by blam
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To: ClearCase_guy
He blames it on Krakatoa, specifically.

So, now there are competing hypotheses.
22 posted on 02/03/2004 4:28:49 PM PST by John H K
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To: ckilmer
This is at Cardiff U, and the head of the dept. is Chandra Wickramasinghe, as in Hoyle and Wickramasinghe.
23 posted on 02/03/2004 4:41:35 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: John H K; ClearCase_guy
"He blames it on Krakatoa, specifically."

"So, now there are competing hypotheses."

I've read that there isn't an acid layer in the ice cores at this time. Volcanoes always leave an acid layer.

24 posted on 02/03/2004 4:43:03 PM PST by blam
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To: ckilmer
There have been other "summerless" years--one in particular in 1819, if I remember correctly--and I believe one documented in Europe in the late Renaissance.
25 posted on 02/03/2004 5:28:57 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: pabianice
Ab-so-lutely!
26 posted on 02/03/2004 5:45:26 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Mamzelle
The Year Without Summer
27 posted on 02/03/2004 6:01:45 PM PST by blam
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To: ckilmer
More evidence for why NASA should be applying SDI technology to deflecting deep space objects than bothering with going to Mars.

Bush misses again.
28 posted on 02/03/2004 6:17:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly stupid.)
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To: LibWhacker
You have to wonder how well modern civilization would stand up to something like that today.

Depends on who you mean by "we." Western civilization would be damaged beyond repair, as we know it now, but it would certainly survive in some context. Military bases in isolated regions, nuclear subs and other such well stocked and well coordinated entitys would maintain their technological sophistication.

Think of a well provisioned nuclear aircraft carrier, with machine shops, etc., and assume that it survives the initial impact. Joe suburb might be in big trouble, but after he runs around for a few weeks in rags playing survivor imagine what happens when the USS Ronald Reagan pulls into port and declares martial law?

Now, the poor schmucks in Rio or Delhi or Athens are screwed. Ironically the folks in the hills outside Karachi or in the hinterlands of Nepal, assuming their terrain isn't imolated in the blast zone, should be fairly well off, as they're used to making do and "roughing it" in "primative" conditions.

29 posted on 02/03/2004 6:34:38 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: farmfriend
Please add me to this ping list. Thanks.
30 posted on 02/03/2004 6:42:04 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To US)
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To: Professional Engineer
Consider yourself added. If you ever change your mind, or I get you on the wrong list, just let me know.
31 posted on 02/03/2004 6:49:15 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Professional Engineer
ping
32 posted on 02/03/2004 6:53:08 PM PST by msdrby (US Veterans: All give some, but some give all.)
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To: ckilmer
I am told that during some of our larger regional forest fires, scientists studied the effects as similar to a nuclear winter. I know that it is considerably darker and the smoke modifies the usual extremes of our 100 degree plus summer weather.
33 posted on 02/03/2004 7:01:39 PM PST by marsh2
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To: msdrby
Smooch
34 posted on 02/03/2004 7:08:16 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Spirit/Opportunity~0.002acres of sovereign US territory~All Your Mars Are Belong To USA)
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To: ckilmer; Phsstpok; ClearCase_guy
Moses’ Comet

Mike Baillie
Discovering Archeology, July/August 1999

Moses called down a host of calamities upon Egypt until the pharaoh finally freed the Israelites. Perhaps he had the help of a comet impact coupled with a volcano. A volcano destroyed the island of Santorini in the Aegean Sea (between today's Greece and Turkey) around the middle of the second millennium B.C. Researchers Val LaMarche and Kathy Hirschboeck suggest the volcano might be associated with tree-ring evidence for several years of intense cold beginning in 1627 B.C. Could that form the basis for strange meteorological phenomena recorded in the biblical book of Exodus?

In the book of Exodus, which describes events a few hundred kilometers from Santorini, we read of a pillar of cloud and fire, a lingering darkness, and the parting of the Red Sea. An enormous column of ash must have hung in the sky over the eruption (the Israelites’ “pillar of cloud by day and fire by night?”), and the volcano doubtless caused a tsunami, or tidal wave (which could have drowned a pharaoh's army). The Exodus story is traditionally dated to either the thirteenth or fifteenth century B.C. Those dates, however, depend ultimately on identifying the “Pharaoh of the Oppression,” and historians have never proven to which ruler that infamous title referred. Many biblical scholars will disagree, but I suggest that a seventeenth-century B.C. date is not impossible.

The argument can be bolstered. Equally catastrophic meteorological conditions are recorded in the Bible for the time of King David. Psalm 18, in reference to David, speaks of terrifying events: “Earth shook and trembled. The foundations of the hills moved and were shaken. ... Smoke ... fire ... darkness ... dark waters ... thick clouds of the skies ... hailstones and coals of fire.” On some chronologies, David is placed 470 years after the Exodus. The spacing between the two disastrous events recorded in Irish tree rings at 1628 and 1159 B.C. is 469 years. The Exodus story includes dust, several days of darkness, hail, dead fish, undrinkable water, cattle killed by hail, water breaking out of rocks, the earth opening, the sea parting as in a tsunami, and so on. Someone looking at the Exodus story and knowing descriptions of other distant volcanic effects might offer the possibility that the Israelites escaped from Egypt under the cover of a major natural catastrophe. There may be veiled references to comets in the biblical narrative, leading to the possibility that the Santorini eruption itself may have been triggered by a bolide (comet or asteroid) impact.

David Levy, co-discoverer of the comet that bears his and Jean Shoemaker's names, has argued that the description of the “angel of the Lord in the sky over Jerusalem with a drawn sword” (1 Chronicles 21) could be a reference to a comet. The Angel of the Lord was, of course, also present at the Exodus, as it was “traveling in front of Israel's army.” Further, there are indications that as the Israelites left Egypt, the night was as bright as midday. The nights over Europe were reported to have been daytime-bright after the only known modern bolide impact, the Tunguska explosion over Siberia in 1908.

These stories raise the question of whether comets recorded by the Chinese at the start and end of the Shang Dynasty, at very near the same dates, were the same as the comets that may be recorded in the Old Testament. I believe that we know the answer: In the last five millennia, several dynastic changes and dark ages have been the direct result of impacts and/or volcanoes. The consequences of such events must have been devastating, leading to apocalyptic imagery in religious writing and predictions of the end of the world. Zachariah of Mitylene lived through the environmental disaster that began about 540 A.D. In the mid-550s, he wrote in his twelve-volume records of the trials the world had survived: “In addition to all the fearful things described above, the earthquakes and famines and wars, ... there has also been fulfilled against us the curse of Moses in Deuteronomy."“ The curse included pestilence, consumption, fever, fiery blasts from the skies, mildew, a rain of powder and dust, and darkness. The curse of Moses must have seemed an appropriate description of life after the impact of a piece of a comet.

35 posted on 02/03/2004 7:19:26 PM PST by blam
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To: Phsstpok
Excellent analysis, imo. I was thinking along the same lines. We (America) would survive it in some form, but no doubt greatly weakened. A large proportion of the population would die of famine and disease. Indeed, the only survivors might be those favored few who are fortunate enough to be rationed food (that would have to be grown on government run farms, which in turn would need an assist from artifical lighting to grow their crops). This is why it would be necessary to maintain the infrastructure. For the rest of us, it would be the law of the jungle.

Our science and technology would not be lost, however, in contrast to ancient civilizations. Still, it would be an unacceptable setback.

Just shooting from the hip, of course . . . In actuality, I can't possibly know what would happen. But as I said above, I think a space shield of some sort will be worthy of consideration soon, particularly if conclusive proof of this comet theory of civilization is uncovered.

36 posted on 02/03/2004 7:19:36 PM PST by LibWhacker (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: blam
"If Baillie is right, history has overlooked probably the single most important explanation for the intermittent progress of civilisation."

It had to be Comets or some such as in those days as the Democrat Party had yet to be spawned.

37 posted on 02/03/2004 7:42:08 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: blam
If you go to the Mt. Saint Helens National Park Volcanic Monument and the Visitor Center there is a display there telling of all the volcanic eruptions from the surrounding mountains that happened between 1780-1824.

Eruptions from Mt. Saint Helens, Mt. Rainer, Mt. Hood, and a few others that could have caused some of the cold weather in the East Coast at that time.

The thought came to me when I was reading the displays.
38 posted on 02/03/2004 7:44:09 PM PST by Chewbacca (I want to be Emperor of Mars.)
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To: ckilmer
There are probably a half dozen possible causes for what happened. Without some physical evidence or historical literary descriptions, these guys are blowing smoke, heck, many of us freepers could propose such a theory, and not get any print out of it. Is there such a thing as irresponsible science?
39 posted on 02/03/2004 7:48:35 PM PST by djf
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To: ckilmer
The timing coincides with the Justinian Plague, widely believed to be the first appearance of the Black Death in Europe. It is possible that the plague was so rampant and took hold so quickly because the population was already weakened by starvation.

Interesting, but I'm not buying it. Procopius reports the Black Death originating out of Africa, spreading through Persia and later to the Roman Empire. Besides, the 540s AD were not the "Dark Ages" yet. Indeed, it was a period of renewal--the last gasp of the Roman Empire.
40 posted on 02/03/2004 7:51:50 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: pabianice
Big deal. Anyone who watches "Stargate SG-1" knows this.

Ahh yes.. SG-1, where we can learn all sorts of things. Especially how a fine looking lady handles a P-90. For instance: notice the proper "safe" grip.


41 posted on 02/03/2004 8:02:11 PM PST by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: Chewbacca
"Eruptions from Mt. Saint Helens, Mt. Rainer, Mt. Hood, and a few others that could have caused some of the cold weather in the East Coast at that time."

Nah. Those are just little hiccups.

Here are the dates for worldwide affecting events as recorded by tree rings: 3195BC, 2354BC, 1628BC, 1159BC, 540AD and two smaller events at 207BC and 44BC.

Check your history books and see what was happening in the world at those times.

42 posted on 02/03/2004 8:04:52 PM PST by blam
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To: Antoninus
He is proposing not that the comet "was"the Dark Ages, but rather that the impact (at 536 plus or minus) greatly increased stress in Europe (health, food, economy, and storage of food were affected) that greatly increased the destruction of the Roman civilization.

The Roman Empire was tottering, but under the stress of (starving but armed and dangerous) barbarians coming in after the destruction of THEIR previous hunting and farming areas (Goth, Huns, Vandals, and Mongols and other all began invading from the East after this time.....)

That destruction of civilization and trade and learning, in turn, WAS the Dark Ages.
43 posted on 02/03/2004 8:15:24 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Anything but what they plan to do--just more rides for brides.
44 posted on 02/04/2004 5:05:42 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: SunkenCiv
More Mike Baillie 'stuff.'
45 posted on 02/04/2004 7:27:52 AM PST by blam
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
My understanding is that by 540AD the Roman Empire was already no longer existed...Europe was already broken down into hundreds of principalities. The barbarians had already sacked most of Western Europe by this time. However, there were still some educated people (mostly old Roman nobles who intermarried with the barbarians) to leave written records of this period.

After the event of 536-541AD, the lights truly go out. After another hundred or so years, not even Kings could read or write.

46 posted on 02/04/2004 7:48:32 AM PST by dg62
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To: blam; ckilmer
It was a comet that plunged into the Celtic Sea

Celtic Sea: http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/data/ev54/ev5435_S1998140125834_md.jpg

47 posted on 02/04/2004 9:03:23 AM PST by an amused spectator (articulating AAS' thoughts on FR since 1997)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's Bush's fault!!! 8-)
48 posted on 02/04/2004 9:07:33 AM PST by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: dg62
"After another hundred or so years, not even Kings could read or write. "

Yup. I've read that the kings had writers and readers and the writers could not read and the readers could not write. (Doesn't make a lot of sense but, that's what I read)

Our custom of reading wills aloud comes from that period. Everything official used to be read aloud because so few could read.

49 posted on 02/04/2004 9:27:52 AM PST by blam
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To: Mamzelle
"There have been other "summerless" years--one in particular in 1819, if I remember correctly--"

Yep........I remember it, too. Cold as all hell, it was.

50 posted on 02/04/2004 9:45:37 AM PST by RightOnline
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