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Cyanide Salt Block Found in Iraq
Fox News ^ | Tuesday, February 03, 2004 | Fox News

Posted on 02/03/2004 7:30:50 PM PST by grimalkin

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:38:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WASHINGTON A 7-pound block of cyanide salt (search) was discovered by U.S. troops in Baghdad at the end of January, officials confirmed to Fox News.

The potentially lethal compound was located in what was believed to be the safe house of Abu Musab Zarqawi (search), a poisons specialist described by some U.S. intelligence officials as having been a key link between deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda (search) terror network.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 200401; aldhouri; alqaedairaq; ansaralislam; cbw; cyanide; iraq; iraqalqaeda; is; isis; sodiumcyanide; wot; zarqawi
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1 posted on 02/03/2004 7:30:51 PM PST by grimalkin
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To: grimalkin
i'm thinkin that the US is going to find oodles of wmd while the "What happened to wmd intelligence?" commission is studying the problem
2 posted on 02/03/2004 7:33:47 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (Nemo communicates to the Mothership for futher instructions.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Not only WMD, but also Al Qaeda running around Iraq before the war started. Will Ol' Teddy the Swimmer acknowledge any of this?
3 posted on 02/03/2004 7:38:59 PM PST by EricT. (Californian by birth, Tennessean by choice.)
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To: All
This can't be. There are no bad things or bad people in Iraq. The Gulf war and the Iran-Iraq war was a mirage. This is probably just a camel salt lick.

How many people would a 7 lb Cyanide block kill?? More than 100??

If you threw it in a local water supply tank..would it contaminate it enough to kill a local populous??

4 posted on 02/03/2004 7:39:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: grimalkin
Mmm. . . saltlick. . .
5 posted on 02/03/2004 7:40:53 PM PST by explodingspleen
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To: grimalkin
That's a pretty big salt lick. Any experts around to say how many people that would kill?
6 posted on 02/03/2004 7:40:55 PM PST by armymarinemom (My Son Liberated the Honor Roll Students in Iraq)
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To: Dog
Ping in case you didn't see this.
7 posted on 02/03/2004 7:41:16 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: zip
ping
8 posted on 02/03/2004 7:41:43 PM PST by BOBWADE
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To: grimalkin
C'mon, people. We know that this must have been part of the Iraqi metal treatment experiments that ran in conjunction with their weather balloon program.
9 posted on 02/03/2004 7:41:45 PM PST by zook
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To: grimalkin
Fox News' Bret Baier and Ian McCaleb contributed to this report.

...and there the media coverage ended.

10 posted on 02/03/2004 7:41:50 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Some days you're the windshield; some days you're the bug)
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To: ErnBatavia
What's up with that?
Perhaps it was deemed fake like every other thing they have found.
11 posted on 02/03/2004 7:48:59 PM PST by netmilsmom (God sent Angels- Homeschooling 1/5/04-6 yr.old now 2nd Gr./3 yr old now K)
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To: grimalkin
So finding this cyanide, and the ricin program, don't count for exactly what reason??
12 posted on 02/03/2004 7:55:03 PM PST by Williams
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To: grimalkin
It should be clear by now that the only weapons of mass distruction that liberals will recognize are those in stockpiles covering hundreds of acres. Unfortunately stockpiles of an agent like ricin or anthrax can fit in the area of a couple of sqare feet.
13 posted on 02/03/2004 7:57:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (.50 cal border fence)
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To: InvisibleChurch
I'm thinkin' there will be lots of WMD's found, oh, about late October, 2004.....LOL.
14 posted on 02/03/2004 7:57:57 PM PST by goodnesswins (For those Voting Dem/Constitution Party/Libertarian - I guess it's easier than using your brain.)
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To: ErnBatavia
Per my Merck Index...re: Sodium Cyanide.. "...violent poison! (their excl mark) LD (lethal dose for 50% of a given population) 15mg/kg in rats = .015gr/kg. Rats are not men (but some men are rats) Ergo a gram and a half would kill 50% of 220lb men. Potassium Cyanide 10mg/kg fatal to half a population. 7 lbs x 454 gms/lb KCN is potentially 317,800 50% fatal doses. So yeah, could do some damage in a water supply. Maybe not in LA's water supply with bazillions of gals of water, but in a small city-wide supply, yep.
15 posted on 02/03/2004 7:58:30 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Any college Qual/Quant Lab Course student uses NaCN.

This amount of NaCN is NOTHING!!
16 posted on 02/03/2004 8:03:11 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: grimalkin
In a related story, democrat presidental candidate J F Kerry said the threat was overblown.
17 posted on 02/03/2004 8:05:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: grimalkin
Cyanide salts are used in hundreds of manufacturing processes.
18 posted on 02/03/2004 8:08:13 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: zook
No, it was fertilizer, yeah, that's the ticket, it was fertilizer.
19 posted on 02/03/2004 8:09:49 PM PST by dawn53
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To: grimalkin
Sounds like AT LEAST

IN THE DIRECTION OF

a WMD, to me!
20 posted on 02/03/2004 8:12:23 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: grimalkin
David Kay also mentioned (I forgot where, but someone on FNC mentioned it) that Iraq was cooking up RICIN till the day the US troops rolled in.
21 posted on 02/03/2004 8:12:56 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: TaMoDee
This amount of NaCN is NOTHING!!
Agreed. My first job out of college was as a chemist/chemical engineer in a plating facility. I did all the chemical ordering and we easily went through 2000 pounds of cyanide every month. Foundries that do heat treating have vats with literally tons of cyanide in each one.

That's not to say that 7 pounds wouldn't be a danger in a local water supply though -- but Iraq is a LONG way from here.


22 posted on 02/03/2004 8:14:00 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
So it would qualify as a WMD.

hmmm.
23 posted on 02/03/2004 8:14:29 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: Williams
what happened to those mustard gas shells??
24 posted on 02/03/2004 8:14:34 PM PST by GeronL (www.ArmorforCongress.com ............... Support a FReeper for Congress)
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To: tcuoohjohn
Cyanide salts are used in hundreds of manufacturing processes.

True, but the fact that they found it in one of Abu Musab Zarqawi's safehouses makes this a significant story. This guy is Al Qaeda's poison expert. I don't think he's just setting up a silver reclaimation business.

25 posted on 02/03/2004 8:15:37 PM PST by EricT. (Californian by birth, Tennessean by choice.)
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To: grimalkin
There are no weapons in Iraq....Islam is a peaceful religion....nothing to fear from the docile Iraqis....move along....
26 posted on 02/03/2004 8:16:38 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: DallasMike
Thanks for the backup, ChemEngr. I'am a PetEngr of some vintage!


27 posted on 02/03/2004 8:20:05 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: Thumper1960

28 posted on 02/03/2004 8:21:12 PM PST by Consort
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To: Consort
btt
29 posted on 02/03/2004 8:22:30 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: DallasMike
did all the chemical ordering and we easily went through 2000 pounds of cyanide every month.

And how much of this did you keep stored in YOUR HOUSE?

30 posted on 02/03/2004 8:28:41 PM PST by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: goodnesswins
I'm thinkin' there will be lots of WMD's found, oh, about late October, 2004.....LOL.

And Osama will be captured.
It will be like an early Christmas!

31 posted on 02/03/2004 8:31:50 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Williams
So finding this cyanide, and the ricin program, don't count for exactly what reason??

Long ago on this board I stated that NO MATTER WHAT WE FIND in IRAQ it would fall short of the HYPED WMD'S that the entire news media cackled about before the start of the war. What we have already found lies bare the claim they had NO WMD.

Active programs are NOT enough. Empty shells and missle payloads designed for Bio/Chem agents are not enough, defectors who worked on the programs are NOT enough. Nothing less then a fully loaded missle with an active Nuclear warhead pointed at Isreal would shut down the news media about our failure to find MASSIVE amounts of WMD.

It has to be massive amounts ALSO, even though a very small amount of certain agents can kill hundreds of thousands that FACT is lost on the public due to our several UN presentations designed to cover Tony Blair's hind quarter.

32 posted on 02/03/2004 8:33:07 PM PST by PISANO (God Bless our Troops........They will not TIRE - They will not FALTER - They will not FAIL!!!!!)
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To: Quix
Maybe, maybe not. It is indeed a common industrial chemical and it is widely used in labs and in commerce for many innocent purposes. OTOH, ingest 1/10000th of that 7 lb block and you would almost surely fall over dead in about a minute. See: Hermann Goering.
33 posted on 02/03/2004 8:33:37 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
IC

THANKS.
34 posted on 02/03/2004 8:37:52 PM PST by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: DallasMike
takes about 7 grams of cyanide in its solid form to kill you ( nickle is about 5 grams). In solution it takes about 600 parts per million to have any effect and about 1200 parts per million to insure lethality. If you dumped 7 pounds of cyanide in a water resevoir it better be a very damn small one. As the water treament guys say...dilution is the solution.
35 posted on 02/03/2004 8:39:40 PM PST by tcuoohjohn (Follow The Money)
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To: grimalkin
Don't tell Newt Gingrich... I remember he "wanted" to poison the water supply with arsenic. (sarcasm)
36 posted on 02/03/2004 8:41:44 PM PST by graycamel
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To: PISANO
Nothing less then a fully loaded missle with an active Nuclear warhead pointed at Isreal would shut down the news media

Nope, sorry that would not do it. See, it was pointed at Israel, not the US. Ergo, it really is none of our business. We had no right to get involved in this minor regional squabble, don't you know.

Now, if it had been aimed at San Fran, THAT would shut them up (assuming it was actually fired, then malfunctioned and missed, so they could claim diversion thanks to their astral powers and moonbeam crystals)

37 posted on 02/03/2004 9:56:52 PM PST by lafroste
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To: Jorge
And Osama will be captured. It will be like an early Christmas!

No, we already have him. Rice is sandbagging him until the most politically benificial moment. Haven't you heard the media? They are spinning it already!!

38 posted on 02/03/2004 10:15:48 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (The word system implies they have done something the same way at least twice)
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To: GeronL
what happened to those mustard gas shells??

I thought it turned out that those tested negative for mustard gas?

39 posted on 02/04/2004 1:21:44 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Sacajaweau; arasina
Sac this would kill more than 100....this stuff is used in our death chambers here in the US today. Iraq used this as a weapon during the Iraq-Iran war.

It is a chemical weapon....the Soviets had stockpiles of the stuff and so did we during the Cold War.

40 posted on 02/04/2004 4:27:33 AM PST by Dog
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To: InvisibleChurch
whoa, everybody. this story is just plain off the map. cyanide salts have emormous industrial uses, from use in metal plating to film processing. i used to have a five-pound jar of a cyanide compound for use in bringing up thin negatives, which was purchased at a plain old photo supply store for not much money. that there would be seven pounds of a cyanide salt someplace in iraq means absolutely nothing.
41 posted on 02/04/2004 4:32:36 AM PST by dep (Ense Petit Placidam Sub Libertate Qvietem)
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To: armymarinemom
Didn't they use very small chips of this to kill those dogs in that video that was released prior to the war???
42 posted on 02/04/2004 4:35:42 AM PST by mware
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To: dep
Except this was found in a safe house of a known terrorist who specializes in chemical and bio weapons...

Not the same as finding it in your garage.

43 posted on 02/04/2004 4:37:04 AM PST by Dog
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To: InvisibleChurch
A 7-pound block of cyanide salt (search) was discovered by U.S. troops in Baghdad at the end of January, officials confirmed to Fox News.

Mmmmm, salt.

44 posted on 02/04/2004 4:41:06 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: EricT.
Nope. GWB could parachute into Pakistan, personally kill UBL, bring back his dismembered head and Fat Ted would still deny Bush his due. It's not about what Bush does, it's about who he is.
45 posted on 02/04/2004 4:44:46 AM PST by macrahanish #1
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To: grimalkin
Can anyone expand on this Abu Musab Zarqawi guy a bit?
46 posted on 02/04/2004 4:46:06 AM PST by The G Man (Ted Kennedy's car is a WMD)
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To: Sacajaweau
How many people would a 7 lb Cyanide block kill?? More than 100??

My more immediate question is why a salt block? for transport? are they now targeting perverted American cattle and sheep? What?
There must be something going on there.

47 posted on 02/04/2004 4:46:33 AM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: dep
...seven pounds of a cyanide salt someplace in iraq means absolutely nothing.

Except for the fact that it was found in a believed safe house for Abu Musab Zarqawi. Somehow, I don't believe this guy was using it for processing family pictures.

48 posted on 02/04/2004 4:47:11 AM PST by grimalkin ("Everyone feels benevolent if nothing happens to be annoying him at the moment." -C.S. Lewis)
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To: dep
it must be the image of a poisonous salt lick that people walk up to, lick, then die
49 posted on 02/04/2004 4:48:50 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Nemo communicates to the Mothership for futher instructions.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
... and good morning
50 posted on 02/04/2004 4:49:29 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Nemo communicates to the Mothership for futher instructions.)
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