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Mass. High Court Rules for Gay Marriage
Associated Press Writer ^ | Wed, Feb 04, 2004 | JENNIFER PETER

Posted on 02/04/2004 8:24:28 AM PST by presidio9

BOSTON - The Massachusetts high court ruled Tuesday that only full, equal marriage rights for gay couples — rather than civil unions — would meet the edict of its November decision, erasing any doubts that the nation's first same-sex marriages would take place in the state beginning in mid-May.

AP Photo Slideshow: Same-Sex Marriage Issues

The court issued the opinion in response to a request from the state Senate about whether Vermont-style civil unions, which conveyed the benefits — but not the title of marriage — would meet constitutional muster.

The much-anticipated opinion sets the stage for next Wednesday's Constitutional Convention, where the Legislature will consider an amendment that would legally define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Without the opinion, Senate President Robert Travaglini had said the vote would be delayed.

The Supreme Judicial Court ruled in November that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry, and gave the Legislature six months to change state laws to make it happen.

But almost immediately, the vague wording of the ruling left lawmakers — and advocates on both side of the issue — uncertain if Vermont-style civil unions would satisfy the court's decision.

The state Senate asked for more guidance from the court and sought the advisory opinion, which was made public Wednesday morning when it was read into the Senate record.


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To: KantianBurke
The ball is in your court Mr. President.

Exactly how is this ball in the President's court?

41 posted on 02/04/2004 8:43:11 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: Dane
Actually I have been around since 2001 or so...not that anyone cares :) heh
42 posted on 02/04/2004 8:43:30 AM PST by I_love_weather
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To: presidio9
John Kerry voted against the Defense of Marriage Bill.

This will be a political hot button of this campaign. I will not doubt that this will end up in the supreme court since this law will force other states to recognize this ruling and thus recognize gay marriages from Massachusetts.
43 posted on 02/04/2004 8:43:43 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Bush has won two wars, Kerry is French......'nuff said)
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To: COEXERJ145
However, this can be done by simple majority.

Therefore, congress could reverse themselves and remove that restriction on judges by simple majority in the future.

The amendment route makes it very solid law of the land that cannot EASILY be over-turned. We should do it NOW while the consensus is available NOW.
44 posted on 02/04/2004 8:43:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army and Proud of It!!)
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To: biblewonk

45 posted on 02/04/2004 8:44:35 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: presidio9
Time for the Mass. State Legislature to tell the courts to take a hike. Period.
46 posted on 02/04/2004 8:44:43 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is a war room".)
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To: I_love_weather
I think you are wrong here. This is not a question of your beliefs versus his beliefs. Believe it or not, this is not about you. This is about what the people of this country want the definition of marriage to be. Clearly they want it to be man/woman. There may be a constitutional amendment to designate it as such. You nor I have to right to live our lives in any way we please. We are not living in Utopia but in a country governed by laws and some of those laws have to do with how we live. At this point the last word has not been said. So until then, try to remember this is not all about you.
47 posted on 02/04/2004 8:44:50 AM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: Maceman
See post #16 please.
48 posted on 02/04/2004 8:45:36 AM PST by KantianBurke (Principles, not blind loyalty)
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To: tomahawk
If Pres. Bush doesn't support stopping this slide into Sodomite Hell via a Constitutional amendment, he doesn't deserve to be President, and say hello to Pres. Kerry.

The president has absolutely no Constitutional role to play in this issue at all. The president may not propose a Constitutional amendment (unlike other legislation), nor is his signature required anywhere in the process of ratification.

To the extent that this is a federal issue, it will first be played out at the Supreme Court, and then, ultimately in Congress.

49 posted on 02/04/2004 8:46:34 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: cajungirl
Well then bring on the constitutional amendment...and let's see how the people vote.

I don't have a problem with that.

50 posted on 02/04/2004 8:46:49 AM PST by I_love_weather
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To: I_love_weather
Actually I have been around since 2001 or so...not that anyone cares :) heh

So? that still doesn't give the court the right to write their own laws.

51 posted on 02/04/2004 8:46:54 AM PST by Dane
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To: I_love_weather
So you must have had your account banned since you are back her under a different name.....
52 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:09 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Careful! Your TAGS are the mirror of your SOUL!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
The Supremes have not exactly exhibited an ability to make sound decisions. Sandra Day gave "sodomy" a civil right.

53 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:15 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: xzins
Think about how long and hard it is to amend the Constitution. We've only done it 17 times since the founding of this nation and one amendment canceled another. (I'm not counting the Bill of Right as they're a special case in relation to Constitutional history.)

Removing the ability of the federal courts to hear such cases would be a quick, short term solution until a Constitutional Amendment could be passed.

54 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:20 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: presidio9
So how will the good citizens of Massachusetts react to this latest outrage? Because the answer this nonsense does lie in the hands of the people.

They will react to it by continuing to overwhelmingly vote in liberal politicians who espouse this nonsense and these politicians will continue to appoint judges who subscribe to secular humanist liberalism.

In other words, the people of Massachusetts will be outraged not at all. This is simply a reflection of the corrupt, secular humanist values of the people.

America does not simply need a presidential edict to stop this nonsense. It needs a spiritual rebirth.

55 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:30 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: tomahawk
Sorry you are disappointed but he made his thoughts very clear in SOTU. Now just wait before you condemn him. Things happen in good time.
56 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:41 AM PST by cajungirl (John Kerry has no botox and I have a bridge to sell you!)
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To: KantianBurke
See post #16 please.

See post #49 please.

57 posted on 02/04/2004 8:47:58 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: presidio9
Tommy Finneran to the rescue.
58 posted on 02/04/2004 8:48:14 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: ladtx
I'm disgusted too, but think about it this way:

Polling shows 2/3 of all Americans do NOT support same-sex marriages.

Kerry voted AGAINST the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and supports FORCING states to accept homosexual "marriages" from other states!

President Bush is on the record when it comes to defending traditional marriage. He's with the American people.

The GOP will go after this like a dog with a moose thighbone.

This issue ALONE could doom Kerry, IMHO.

59 posted on 02/04/2004 8:48:18 AM PST by Kieri (Who's waiting for the return of her beloved Farscape!)
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To: Maceman
Presidential support for a Constitutional amendment can have a big impact on whether it gets enacted.

I expect the President to make his support for an amendment clear and soon.
60 posted on 02/04/2004 8:48:38 AM PST by tomahawk
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