Ex-atheist describes near-death experience

Standard-Times ^ | 1/31/2004 | LINDA ANDRADE RODRIGUES

[missyme]

Isn't that the same thing Evolutionists spout about in the Proof of GOD?

[CyberCowboy777]

I can believe whatever I like - I do not pass it off as scientific fact.

You can troll all you like, because I do not seek to prove the existence of my Messiah, I have nothing to prove. I simply except that man knows very little about the universe.

I have had dreams that were vivid enough to wake me with elevated heart rate, sweat and emotional context. I can assure you I was not drugged or oxygen deprived. The account you gave me could well have been a dream - how can I know?

Your anger over the anecdotal nature of various Faiths do not in anyway elevate the necessity for observable fact in science.

[BobS]

"Scales are guages that measure the gravitational pull of a certain object."

And Isaac Newton figured it out after he was boogying down the street one day and some kid dropped an apple on his head! Then came velocity and acceleration. Now they us a Fournier transform of the phase, amplitude and distance of an RF source and reciever.

[SkyRat]

I have always wondered if that's true then why?

Why not?

You assume the brain is designed to trigger a pleasant sensation when death comes. It could just be a random byproduct of the brain getting killed cell by cell. Kind of what happens to my harddrive when running several read/write operations and just switching it off.

Anyway, I'm sure your questions, or our questions, will be solved eventually. On way or the other.

[Sloth]

Most likely a hallucination.

I broke every one of the Ten Commandments.

He murdered people and made graven idols? That IS pretty bad.

[Eva]

Me too... I don't get it.

[spectre]

I actually felt a chill reading your last paragraph. I believe :~)

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[adam_az]

"Isn't that the same thing Evolutionists spout about in the Proof of GOD?"

Evolutionists include god in their discussions about evolution, it's not pertinent.

Next?

[adam_az]

"Your anger over the anecdotal nature of various Faiths do not in anyway elevate the necessity for observable fact in science."

Anger? LOL, now you're projecting, and I don't mean your aura or soul or whatever.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

bump

[missyme]

Not that I hear...Since people have different versions of G-d. Although I beleive in the G-d of the BIBLE many other cultures believe in something else, if I am asked to PROVE there is a G-d that is irrelevant because it is based on a belief system as the same question you have on Proof of Messiah...

[CyberCowboy777]

Anger? yep.

Go back and read your posts. Full of venom and anger.

Your in denial, and I don't mean a river found in the Old Testament.

[Julliardsux]

It measures the effect of gravity, not the gravity itself - therefore, it is like looking to the effect of this man's NDE - his change in life - to measure the NDE.

[Jane G]

My husband is a medical doctor and very much the scientist. Three years ago my spouse had an NDE. All his medical colleagues at the hospital who knew and worked surgically on Ed to save his life did not think he would make it. He remained in critical condition, in ICU, unconscious, for a month before he pulled through. During that time he said he saw a brilliant white light and felt the presence of a Supreme Being. The two talked and Ed felt so much at peace with no demands made upon him. He was given a choice to come on or go back. The Supreme Being said that his job on earth was not complete, as their were many patients that were still in need of his doctoring. Ed also did not want to leave me nor our young son who was 10 years old at the time. He asked if I would be with him. He was assured that his wife and son would be with him if he came back. He did not speak of his NDE experience for quite some time as he wanted to think about it. Little by little he began to reveal parts of it to our family. As he and I began to read books about it, we noticed the same similarities that Ed experienced. One, he has no fear of death. Two, a sense things happen for a reason and that in the end everything will turn out right. Three, a psychic ability. As a trained Ob/Gyn clinician for 35 years, he has always been good in listening to his patients and figuring out what was wrong. But since his NDE, says he intuitively knows before he picks up their chart, or knows the patient's name, or goes into the exam room for the first time. Other Ob/Gynys seek out his advice on patients that they can't figure out a diagnosis. The NDE experience changed my husband.

[spodefly]

At summer camp when I was 13, I was training to get certified to dive. This particular day we were swimming in a pond, with snorkels, goggles, fins and an inflatable vest, following a nylon string/rope anchored along the bottom of the pond in a random pattern. You would follow the rope, move to the surface, clear the snorkel, breath, then go back down and follow the rope some more.

Somehow, I got my foot caught in the rope. It was at the last of my breath when I was turning to head up to the surface. I don't remember much about the panic that I went thru when I couldn't reach the surface. My swim buddy apparently tried to help, but inflated the vest (CO2). So I couldn't go back down to free myself or make it to the surface. I passed out. The last thing I remember is looking up to the surface, seeing the greenish light, and trying so hard to reach it.

Next thing I know I was at home, sitting on the floor in the living room. I was sitting where the sun would shine in the late afternoons during the summer. My mom was in the kitchen cooking pork chops, although I didn't actually look over to see her. There was a slight smoke in the air from the cooking, and the sunlight from the window made a clearly visible beam onto the floor in front of me. I could see tiny lint specs floating in the sunlight just in front of me. My dad was on his way home from work, and we would be eating soon. My little sister was already sitting at the table though I never actually looked over to see her there. I felt happy, and comfortable, and safe.

I awoke on the dock with several camp counselors looking down at me. My arms were over my head. My first words were, "damn rope." I spent a couple of days in the camp infirmary. The rope left a scar around my ankle that I have to this day. I have no idea how my foot got caught in it, especially around the swim-fin I was wearing.

The memories of being at home, the details of the tiny lint pieces floating in the air, the sunlight beaming in thru the window, the smell of the pork chops cooking, the feelings, sensations, etc., are more profound than almost any other memories I have from that age.

The mind does weird things when it is dying. And fortunately, they are not at all unpleasant.

[EggsAckley]

I have no doubt about either of your experiences. Here's one for you:

My Dad died just days before Christmas. On Christmas morning, a day that Mom would be opening the yearly rabbit sculpture/picture that he always gave her, we both decided it would be good to go to the cemetary. When we got there, it was gloomy, dripping with fog, and very depressing. We were just about to leave when a tiny white bunny rabbit hopped out of nowhere, right over my Dad's grave. Pink eyes, pink nose, pink ears.......the perfect little white bunny. We looked at each other and agreed that this bunny HAD to have come by way of my Dad.

The funny part is, every year she would say "next year I want a REAL bunny, a LIVE one!" He would always laugh and say "Over my dead body." I'm not making this up.........it REALLY happened!

The bunny grew into a huge rabbit, and lived for 4 years, about a year and a half longer than life expectancy. We named her "Charlie's Angel Hare," after my Dad, Charles.

[EggsAckley]

SAaa Cruz??!! That's where I live.

[EggsAckley]

Oops.....SAaa = Santa

[RightOnline]

I rest my case.

[lucidloony]

Get out before its too late!:}