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Hatch vs. GOP Staff: Democrats play fast and loose with ethics, Republican gets thrown overboard.
National Review Online ^ | February 06, 2004 | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 02/06/2004 10:01:35 AM PST by xsysmgr

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To: BloomNTn
Frist's own staffer uncovered clear evidence that Democrats on the Judiciary Committee worked with leftist organizations to fix court cases. He broke no laws in obtaining this evidence, since the memos were stupidly posted to a server used by members of both parties.

The Democrats would much rather feign outrage at how the memos were obtained than defend what is in them, so they have been shrieking for Miranda's scalp for weeks. Now Hatch and Frist have given them what they most wanted; tacit agreement that it was wrong of Miranda to point out that the Democrats were subverting the justice system.

I see no reason to support Hatch or Frist for any public office, now or ever.
51 posted on 02/06/2004 1:58:44 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times
For those who missed it, I broke the news that Senate Republicans had decided to fire Manuel Miranda two weeks ago at CPAC:

Link

52 posted on 02/06/2004 2:05:23 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: dubyaismypresident
"He'll have to get past Bill Owens in the primaries first."

Owens will mop the floor with this Senatorial jellyfish.

The only thing standing between him and the nomination is his marriage situation.

However, I heard he is trying to work things out with his wife.
53 posted on 02/06/2004 2:09:49 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: xsysmgr
The question of the day is, What is in Hatch's FBI file, that he is so afraid of the Democrats?
54 posted on 02/06/2004 2:11:24 PM PST by Eva
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To: BloomNTn; abner; Interesting Times; Nick Danger
Frist isn't running for re-election

IMHO, this is one of the key pieces of the puzzle. Is Orrin counting on Frist being out of town by the time this comes under more rigorous scrutiny?

Nick's right on this. The Washington Times is going to play hard ball on this one and no croquet players (Hatch) are going to enjoy it.

Please keep me posted!

Regards,

TS

55 posted on 02/06/2004 2:17:42 PM PST by The Shrew (Radio FreeRepublic - The New NPR)
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To: Interesting Times
Well, now, Mr. Miranda is no longer a congressional staffer,
so whistleblower laws now cover him....I'm hoping against hope
that there actually IS a GOP plan afoot here.......
ok, quit laughing. :)
56 posted on 02/06/2004 2:20:10 PM PST by MamaLucci
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To: Eva
Hillary knows.
57 posted on 02/06/2004 2:29:36 PM PST by BloomNTn
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To: BloomNTn
"The rumors going around Tennessee have Frist running for president in 2008. He will be another Bob Dole and we will have another Clinton in the White House. He is too nice and won't win."

He won't get the nomination - he'll be blown away by Owens.

Frist may want the Presidency, but he doesn't have the fire and energy that Owens does.
58 posted on 02/06/2004 2:31:41 PM PST by Pubbie (We would have the WMDs if Powell and Rice hadn't made a 6 month UN detour)
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To: MamaLucci
I'm hoping against hope that there actually IS a GOP plan afoot here...

No doubt:

1) load weapon
2) shoot foot
3) apologize
4) repeat.

59 posted on 02/06/2004 2:45:36 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: BloomNTn
That's what I'm afraid of, Hillary and the FBI files. Someone posted the email addresses for the officers at CPAC and I sent the regional director an e-mail containing the WSJ article about the judiciary memos. I just sent the same man a copy of the NRO article and asked him what is in Hatch's FBI file.

Keep asking the questions, because if Hatch has something to be ashamed of, the whole party should not suffer so that he can sustain a cover-up. Hatch needs to go.
60 posted on 02/06/2004 2:56:27 PM PST by Eva
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To: familyofman
Just what was Mr. Miranda's job - wasn't it coordinating the efforts of the senate & outside groups in getting nominees consented to?

Yes. So it's not like the guy didn't deserve to get fired, never mind the memos.


61 posted on 02/06/2004 2:59:45 PM PST by Nick Danger (Spotted owl tastes like chicken.)
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62 posted on 02/06/2004 3:06:56 PM PST by diotima
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To: xsysmgr
Just emailed Senator Hatch begging him to resign before he does any more damage to the Judiciary Committee, his party and this nation. I'll let you know if I get a response.
63 posted on 02/06/2004 4:44:53 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Eva
The question of the day is, What is in Hatch's FBI file, that he is so afraid of the Democrats?

Hatch is just blazingly stupid. He's a joke.

64 posted on 02/07/2004 7:35:03 AM PST by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Nick Danger
"So it's not like the guy didn't deserve to get fired, never mind the memos."

The point being, one of the big stinks about the dem memos is that they revealed the dems were talking to outside groups about nominations. The very same thing that was Mr. Mirandas's job - you can't have it both ways, at least if you're being honest.

Not to mention that stealing is illegal.
65 posted on 02/07/2004 7:52:41 AM PST by familyofman
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To: familyofman
one of the big stinks about the dem memos is that they revealed the dems were talking to outside groups about nominations

That statement by you is sufficiently distant from reality that it deserves mention as a possible quack by a demoduck. As has been stated numerous times, the allegations concern a specific kind of interaction with outside groups... the kind where elected officials accept money for their votes.

    Not to mention that stealing is illegal.

That would be two profoundly misleading Democratic Party talking points attributable to you in the same note. No employee of the United States has an obligation to remain silent about criminal behavior that they have witnessed, and certainly not when the behavior goes to corruption in the performance of an elected official's duties.


66 posted on 02/07/2004 8:10:05 AM PST by Nick Danger (clank furry quad barbecue)
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To: Nick Danger
Not dem talking points - only an analysis of what I know about this, filtered with logic.

If the dem memos revealed illegal acts - why no charges? The outside contacts by both sides sound very similar to me - trying to get leverage for their side.

Accessing someone else's computer and using the contents to further a political point, is at least immoral & wrong, if not criminal. Going into my house (unlocked) and grabbing an illegal gun, then using that gun to shoot me doesn't make your actions anu less criminal.
67 posted on 02/07/2004 8:19:16 AM PST by familyofman
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To: familyofman

Irritation at feigned ignorance of how criminal charges are brought under our system, combined with strengthing of suspicion that respondent is spewing misleading noise for dishonest reasons.

Laughter at transparent attempt to posit moral equivalence between soliciting bribes and "outside contacts" in general.

Walking by your open window and viewing you in the act of repeatedly slamming your child into a wall imposes a moral obligation on me to report what I have seen, even though doing so is, on its face, a violation of your privacy.

Besides which, it is fundamentally dishonest — and an attempt to trade on ignorance — to position as "theft" the use, for any reason, of the work product of government employees engaged in the performance of their duties. There is not, and cannot be under our law, a private property right to such works.

The idea of "ownership" of written materials is handled under our system by copyright law. 17USC Section 1.105 states

The works might be classified under certain statutes having to do with national security, but these were not. And in any case, that is still not a property right. Had these works been produced by employees of the DNC, you might have a point. But they weren't. The documents are the work product of government employees operating within the scope of their employment. Further allegation that these memos were "stolen" can only mark you as a deliberate... well.... liar. So please don't do that anymore.

68 posted on 02/07/2004 11:40:49 AM PST by Nick Danger (clank furry quad barbecue)
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To: Nick Danger
For me the big questions will be the following:

1. Did Miranda tell Hatch and/or Frist about the memos, and did Hatch and/or Frist not do anything about what Mrianda told them?

2. What is in the memos that were NOT published?

I know I would have immediately told Hatch and/or Frist about what I saw the instant I saw what Miranda says he saw in his ethics complaint.
69 posted on 02/07/2004 11:49:03 AM PST by hchutch ("I never get involved with my own life. It's too much trouble." - Michael Garibaldi)
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To: hchutch
Did Miranda tell Hatch

If my spies are correct, we are going to get the answer to both of your questions fairly soon. There is good reason to believe that the unpublished memos are circulating in increasingly wide circles within the Beltway. It would appear that at least two journalists have either seen them, or have been briefed on what is in them. Once a thing like this leaks past a certain point, there is no putting it back in the bottle.

It appears as though Hatch decided on his own to "handle the problem" within the Judiciary Committee, as opposed to getting any sort of law enforcement involved. That's very "Gentleman's Club" of him, but depending on how cut-and-dried the bribery evidence is, he may come to regret that a whole bunch. From what I hear, we could see people doing the perp walk in handcuffs over some of the stuff in those memos.

70 posted on 02/07/2004 12:44:17 PM PST by Nick Danger (clank furry quad barbecue)
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To: Hank Rearden
I am not going to vote either. I had hoped they had some cushy job for this staffer, but he is being sacrificed because of their cowardice. Shameful.
71 posted on 02/07/2004 12:47:46 PM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Nick Danger
I am in wait-and-see mode pending the answers.

You'll have Freepmail.
72 posted on 02/07/2004 3:59:52 PM PST by hchutch ("I never get involved with my own life. It's too much trouble." - Michael Garibaldi)
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To: Nick Danger
From what I hear, we could see people doing the perp walk in handcuffs over some of the stuff in those memos.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

73 posted on 02/07/2004 5:06:39 PM PST by NeoCaveman (happy happy joy joy)
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