Bin Laden met nuke scientists -- 'Nuclear bazaar' story out of Pakistan gets more bizarre

Worldnetdaily ^ | 2.8.2004 | Joseph Farah

[DoctorZIn]

WASHINGTON – As the Pakistani nuclear proliferation story widens, U.S. intelligence officials say top atomic scientists from that country met with Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar in Afghanistan.

Two former senior Pakistani nuclear scientists who were based in the Afghan town of Kandahar met Mullah Omar and Osama bin Laden several times before the fall of the Taliban. They were later detained and questioned on their return to Pakistan.

Last week, after it became clear that Pakistan was the center of what has become known internationally as the "nuclear bazaar," President Pervez Musharraf agreed to pardon nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan for selling the country's nuclear secrets to Libya, North Korea and Iran.

Because Pakistan is perceived to be central to the U.S. war on terror, the reaction in Washington has been low-key.

"This is a matter between Dr. Khan, who is a Pakistani citizen, and his government," said Secretary of State Colin Powell to reporters outside the United Nations. "But it is a matter also that I'll be talking to President Musharraf about."

Bush administration officials have expressed satisfaction with Musharraf's guarantees that the country's nuclear proliferation will now come to an end.

A top defector from North Korea says that country's uranium-based nuclear weapons program was launched in 1996 under a deal with Pakistan. In addition, Pakistan stationed other nuclear scientists in Iran to help that country develop its nuclear weapons program.

Pakistan says the presidential pardon to the top nuclear scientist over his admission to have proliferated nuclear technology to three foreign countries is subject to set of a "comprehensive conditions" – but those conditions have not been revealed publicly.

The pardon even allows Khan to keep the vast wealth he accumulated by developing Pakistan's nuclear weapons and from selling the technology to other countries – including several rogue nations. Khan is believed to have earned millions of dollars from his sale of nuclear know-how, beginning in the late 1980s. Much of the money was funneled through bank accounts in the Middle East. His assets include four houses in Islamabad worth an estimated $2.8 million, a villa on the Caspian Sea, a luxury hotel in Mali and a valuable collection of vintage cars.

Khan, 69, last week made a televised confession of his wrongdoing after government investigators confronted him. Despite being granted a pardon, he is under house arrest and forbidden to give interviews.

In addition to selling nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea, Khan also offered Saddam Hussein a design for a nuclear weapon in 1990, according to a document seized by U.N. weapons inspectors. Later he made a deal with Libya.

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[Cronos]

SO the "Islamic bomb" is now in the hands of other slamiiies, eh? Well, that story's been coming since 1998.

[oceanview]

Khan is talking a mile a minute I am sure. I doubt the Pake sold any functioning weapons to them.

[Dog]

I doubt the Pake sold any functioning weapons to them.

I'm not so sure anymore. Khan sold to the highest bidder.

[Cronos]

Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already. But they aim to overthrow Mushafaff (And his base is very shaky) and take over the pak nooks. We've gotta head them off at the pass NOW and eliminate the slamic bomb. Yeah, I know we're already in deep but Pak poses a bigger threat than Irq. I dunno how Bush can handle it, but I'm hoping that in his second term he takes care of the Pak problem like he's done with the Irq and Libyan problems.

[nuconvert]

I'm not surprised.

"This is a matter between Dr. Khan, who is a Pakistani citizen, and his government," said Secretary of State Colin Powell ."

That's right, Mr. Powell. The rest of the world isn't involved. Those other countries Khan sold to have nothing to do with it. And the fact that the rest of the world might be in a bit more jeopardy doesn't give anyone the right to be upset or want to punish Khan themselves.

Sheeesh. Why does he say these things? We know why the U.S. is letting Musharraf handle this. But he seems to enjoy making thse ridiculous statements anyway.

[an amused spectator]

As the Pakistani nuclear proliferation story widens, U.S. intelligence officials say top atomic scientists from that country met with Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar in Afghanistan.

Don't worry - when the Democrats win the White House in November, they'll deal with this urgent imminent threat by

Bravely Running Away!

**** Brave and Bold Sir Kerry -- his song ****

** The Tale of Sir Kerry. **

So, each of the Senators went their separate ways.
Sir Kerry rode north, through the dark forests of Iraq and Pakistan, accompanied by his
favorite embedded Democrat journalists.


embedded Democrat journalist: song:

Bravely bold Sir Kerry
Brought forth from Massachusetts.
He was not afraid to die,
Oh, brave Sir Kerry!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways.
Brave, brave, brave Sir Kerry.

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp.
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken!
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Kerry.

His head smashed in and his heart cut out,
And his liver removed and his bowls unplugged,
And his nostrils raked and his bottom burnt off,
And his peni--

Kerry:  That's...That's, uh...  That's enough music for now, lads.  It looks
like there's getting work afoot.

Osama: HALT!!!

Voice over:  YES!!  It was the dreaded Osama, the fiercest
             creature for *yards* around!
             For second....  after second..., Kerry held his own, but the
             onslaught proved too much for the brave knight.  Scarcely was
             his armor damp, when Kerry suddenly, dramatically, changed his
             tactics!

embedded Democrat journalist:           Kerry:

Brave Sir Kerry ran away.               No!
Bravely ran away away....               I didn't!
When Danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled     No!!
Yes brave Sir Kerry turned about        I didn't!
And gallantly chickened out..

Bravely bravely bravely bravely         I never did!
Bravely bravely bravely bravely         All lies!
Bravely bravely brave Sir Kerry!        I never!

[Destro]

So we can rightly say that the Islamic allies that the State Dept cultivated over the last 30 years has been a disaster for this nation in the long term?

[Khan Noonian Singh]

<<< Khan also offered Saddam Hussein a design for a nuclear weapon in 1990, according to a document seized by U.N. weapons inspectors. >>>

[piasa]

In addition to selling nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea, Khan also offered Saddam Hussein a design for a nuclear weapon in 1990, according to a document seized by U.N. weapons inspectors.

The stuff the DNC doesn't like is always put in the last paragraph.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already."

Maybe not. They had Project Bojinka in the works for five years before pulling the trigger.

[AmericanVictory]

What do you think, Doctor, if Bush had not decided to take out both the Taliban and Saddam, would Musharraf have been able to get enough of his military and intelligence to work with him to expose and stop Khan?

[BushMeister]

This guy Khan is lower than dirt. He has risked unleashing nuclear weapons by putting them within reach of unstable regimes, and has SOLD STATE SECRETS without any serious repurcussions. Unless, of course, he was authorized to share the nuclear technology all along, particularly in order to receive missile technology and parts form N Korea.

This matter has to be run down to the last detail. We need to know who this venal idiot Khan dealt with. Hopefully, he will disappear into US custody. And after he's spilled his guts, its "lights out".

This is terrible news. Between Iran, N Korea and Pakistan as nuclear powers, it's only a matter of time before some Islamic maniacs without a nation-state to protect get their hands on MANY nuclear devices.

[steve86]

"Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already."

Yes, no one should assume that any country, organization, or "shadowy terrorist group" (or similar phrase Pres. Bush used this morning) doesn't possess a weapon simply because it hasn't been used. This includes the United States, of course, and advanced weapon systems that are not even publicly known, much less used.

[yonif]

Islamists who target Israel will be the first to get nuclear weapons. It will be an easier operation to execute.

[CalifornianConservative]

As the late Admiral Moorer dreaded recently, the problem with Pakistan started when the CHINESE helped them build their nuclear bomb in 1998. And it is Chinese nuke secrets and plans that Pakistan has been working off of to spread the nuke threat. The PLA wants to destabilize the U.S. by any and all means... they know WE will have to pay to clean up this nuclear mess, and hopefully not with our lives.

But it all comes round robin to Clinton, doesn't it? Thanks Bill, for giving away our nuclear secrets to our mortal Red enemy, who is now giving it to our mortal terrorist enemies. Poor George W. I'd have trouble articulating this overwhelming and dangerous military mess he inherited, too.

[Mo1]

Ummm .. has the Dems Crown Prince Kerry commented in this yet??

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

FoxNews was saying today what a surprise it is to the countries of the world that China was actually behind most of the nuclear proliferation in the world today. The only people who should be surprised by this are Klinton, Karter, and Albright. Never mind, I'm sure they knew just what they were doing.

Everybody in this article is talking about how Pakistan is in the middle of all this. Who gave Pakistan their nuclear technology? China. All roads lead to China in this whole sordid affair. China probably figured that Pakistan would be more than happy to nuke the USA by using merchant ships as the delivery platform. I'm betting Sept. 11th was supposed to be the opening tap on the shoulder. Lousy China, we should level those bastards.

[piasa]

1996 : (SENATOR JOHN KERRY MEETS LIU CHAOYING, VP OF A SUBSIDIARY OF CHINA'S GOVERNMENT OWNED CHINA AEROSPACE CORP & DAUGHTER OF A CHINESE MILITARY OFFICIAL, TRADES FAVORS FOR CASH, PLUS CHINA GETS MISSILE TECHNOLOGY) In 1996 Kerry met with Liu Chaoying, the daughter of a powerful Chinese military official who also doubled as vice president of a subsidiary of the state-owned China Aerospace Corp. Before the meeting, held in Kerry's Senate office, Liu's sponsor, Johnny Chung, made clear she was interested in getting her company listed on the U.S. Stock Exchange. The Democratic presidential front-runner was only too happy to oblige and ordered his aides to contact the Securities and Exchange Commission. "The next day," reports Newsweek, "Liu and Chung were ushered into a private briefing with a senior SEC official." Within weeks, Chung returned the favor, staging a Kerry fund raiser at a Beverly Hills hotel that raked in $10,000 for the senator's re-election campaign.
Bank records would later show that Kerry's Chinese campaign cash came from $300,000 in overseas wire transfers sent to Chung on orders from the chief of Chinese military intelligence, Newsweek reports. The money was routed through a Hong Kong bank account controlled by Liu, whose company later benefited from waivers granted by the Clinton administration to the U.S. aerospace giant Loral Corp. As Liu and Chung were lining the pockets of the Democratic Party's political elite, Loral handed over top-secret missile guidance technology to Liu's firm. Liu's China Aerospace used the information to perfect Beijing's fleet of intercontinental ballistic missiles, which before the 1990s could not strike the U.S. By the end of the decade, however, China's ICBMs could reach the entire continental United States with pinpoint accuracy, thanks in part to the senator who says now he can be trusted with America's national security.
Chung later testified that before Liu wired him the cash to contribute to prominent Democrats, the chief of Chinese intelligence personally told him: "We like your president. We want to see him re-elected." Apparently, Beijing felt the same way about Sen. John Kerry.- "Kerry Took Cash From Chinese Military Intelligence," by Carl Limbacher, NewsMax, Monday, Feb. 2, 2004

[piasa]

A subsidiary of China Aerospace company, by the way, is:

China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation {CPMIEC)

The China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation {CPMIEC), a member of the New Era (Xinshidai), was established in 1980 to market the M-family of export missiles. It is also responsible for exports of liquid and solid rocket motors, precision machinery, optical equipment, radars and varietious surface-to-surface, shipborne, anti-ship, and tactical missiles. The company was sanctioned by the United States in August 1993 for missile proliferation, following its shipment of M-11 missiles to Pakistan in 1992- fas

[piasa]

Source for above is : fas.org

[JustPiper]

BumPing!

Also The Daily Terror Thread on Thread 3, over 25,000 posts since November

Thread 3
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072462/posts

[mewzilla]

Khan also offered Saddam Hussein a design for a nuclear weapon in 1990, according to a document seized by U.N. weapons inspectors.

Oh, boy....

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thanks for the information!

[CatoRenasci]

very nice!

Another song about Kerry should be done to the Duke of Plaza Toro's song "In Enterprise of Martial Kind" from Gilbert & Sullivan's Gondoliers.

[piasa]

And speaking of Kerry's little Chinese donation mentioned above, here's a snippet from a NY times article:

The fund-raiser, Johnny Chung, told investigators that a large part of the nearly $100,000 he gave to Democratic causes in the summer of 1996 -- including $80,000 to the Democratic National Committee -- came from China's People's Liberation Army through a Chinese lieutenant colonel and aerospace executive whose father was General Liu Huaqing, the officials and lawyers said. General Liu was then not only China's top military commander but also a member of the top leadership of the Communist Party. Chung said the aerospace executive, Liu Chao-ying, told him the source of the money. At one fund-raiser to which Chung gained admission for her, she was photographed with President Clinton.
... While the amount described is a tiny part of the $194 million that Democrats raised in 1996, investigators regard the identification of Liu as a breakthrough in their long search for confirmation of a "China Plan." The hunt was prompted by secret telephone intercepts suggesting that Beijing considered covertly influencing the American elections.
... Chung met Liu in June 1996 in Hong Kong. She was not only a lieutenant colonel in the military, but a senior manager and vice president in charge of international trading for China Aerospace International Holdings Ltd., according to the company's 1996 annual report. The company is the Hong Kong arm of China Aerospace Corporation, a state-owned jewel in China's military industrial complex with interests in satellite technology, missile sales and rocket launches. Liu's father, General Liu, was China's senior military officer, and as vice chairman of the powerful Central Military Commission was in charge of China's drive to modernize the People's Liberation Army by selling weapons to other countries and using the hard currency to acquire Western technology. In that role, he oversaw his country's missile deals. In addition to his military role, General Liu was a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo of the Communist Party, the very top circle of political leadership in China. He retired from his official positions last fall at the time of the Party's 15th Congress.
... In 1991 and 1993 the United States barred all American companies from doing business with two China Aerospace units who had made illegal missile sales to Pakistan. In each instance, Liu was assistant to the president of the sanctioned company.
...Those concerns were front and center in 1996, when General Liu was still in charge of the P.L.A. They included China's sale of missiles to Iran and of nuclear equipment to Pakistan, as well as its own bellicose military maneuvers near Taiwan. - New York Times, May 15, 1998

[Pro-Bush]

No worries, Pakistan is an ally, and Musharaf has complete control of the nukes and all associated programs and materials.

[piasa]

see above.

[piasa]

see above- all that stuff Alamo-Girl's been collecting is growing more hair whith the info out of pakistan on the Khan case.

[b4its2late]

And do you think this slimeball left Saddam, a guy with more money than Bill Gates, out of the loop? Me either.....

[b4its2late]

Pinging Johnny!

[piasa]

fyi

[DoctorZIn]

...if Bush had not decided to take out both the Taliban and Saddam, would Musharraf have been able to get enough of his military and intelligence to work with him to expose and stop Khan?...

I think it improved our ability to work inside of Pakistan.
Elements of Pak intelligence were behind the Taliban in Afghanistan. By our defeating both the Taliban and Saddam it made us much more credible to them.

[tallhappy]

Thanks for the ping. It all leads to China where back in the mid nineties China sent magnets and other technical assistance to Khan to build this bomb.

China has always had the strategy to proliferate missile and nucelar technology in response to the US' missile defense program.

[Donna Lee Nardo]

That's right. Besides, islam is a peaceful (barf!) religion. Nothing to worry about here... ;(

[Grampa Dave]

It appears that that GW may have done the same in Packistan as he has in Lybia with the news coming out of their.

We are improving the security for Pack bombs and other necessities to ensure that others don't get control of them.

[Grampa Dave]

Incredible: "Last week, after it became clear that Pakistan was the center of what has become known internationally as the "nuclear bazaar," President Pervez Musharraf agreed to pardon nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan for selling the country's nuclear secrets to Libya, North Korea and Iran."/b>

[cardinal4]

His assets include four houses in Islamabad worth an estimated $2.8 million, a villa on the Caspian Sea, a luxury hotel in Mali and a valuable collection of vintage cars.

A luxury hotel in Mali??

[George W. Bush]

Khan needs to have a fatal accident in the near future.

So do many of his associates.

[the invisib1e hand]

Well, we KNOW they haven't got a bomb now, or they would have used it already.

I'm not sure that's true. I have a hunch that they do have a bomb...

[Alas Babylon!]

I think this happened in the far future....

[DoctorZIn]

Report: Al-Qaida has obtained tactical nuclear explosives

By Haaretz Service

Al-Qaida has obtained tactical nuclear explosive devices that can fit inside a suitcase, Israel Radio reported Sunday night citing the Al-Hayat newspaper.

According to the Arabic daily based in London, the devices are not intended for use, except in the event that the existence of the organization is threatened.

The report said that members of Osama bin Laden's group purchased the devices from Ukrainian scientists who sell them to anyone willing to pay the price.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/392006.html

[okie01]

"But they aim to overthrow Mushafaff (And his base is very shaky) and take over the pak nooks. We've gotta head them off at the pass NOW and eliminate the slamic bomb. Yeah, I know we're already in deep but Pak poses a bigger threat than Irq. I dunno how Bush can handle it, but I'm hoping that in his second term he takes care of the Pak problem like he's done with the Irq and Libyan problems."

There are credible rumors that we have already secured the Pak nukes and they are now under joint control.

The Bush administration has been very calm about them -- the point of seeming unconcerned. That can only mean one thing: we know where they are, and we know nobody else can get to them.

The government of India also seems very relaxed. Another key indicator...

[patriciamary]

HE OFFERED DID HE TAKE? WHY TO THEY SAY OFFERED?

[piasa]

I don't know. Most likely, because they have no word from the Iraqi side of it until we manage to find the documents relevent to the issue among all the burned and or drowned documents, translate them and so on. Hussein killed people who knew- and his fedeyeen continue to try to kill anyone who talks, such as the scientists who were talking with Kay. and until we find the designs in Iraq, we cannot say for sure Iraq's more recent centrifuge technology was the same as Khan's. The last centrifuge Iraq had- besides the older one found in the scientist's rose garden- was a German one which inspectors found in December 1998 right before Operation Desert Fox.

The reason we know Iran's and Libya's are based on Khan's because both are talking to the us at this time. We can assume North Korea's is as well since we know about the deal between Pakistan and North Korea- North Korea provided the missiles to Pakistan and Pakistan in turn gave them the centrifuge designs.

I suspect we won't talk too much about Iraq until the US hands over the reigns to a new Iraqi government. Discovery of Iraq WMD would bring the UN into Iraq by treaty- one we signed and would have to abide by. We really don't want the UN in Iraq as boss of the investigation, as the UN is trying to cover its own butt there already after the boondoggle of an Oil-for-Food program. The UN leaks and has a huge conflict of interest, and it would interfere with a serious investigation into al Qaeda and ANO. Had we brought the UN into it immediately, and if there is a connection between Khan and the Iraqi program, it might have messed up our tracking down of who all dealt with Khan- a likely problem since those same nations are in the UN and would get info on the investigation before we are ready to spring it on them.

Iraq might have turned them down in favor of trying to purchase uranium which was already enriched. Iraq also had an old but suitable Brazilian/German centrifuge design thanks to a guy who was convicted a while back in Germany.

I DO notice the rather remarkable fact that almost all articles relating to khan go to lengths to ignore the possibility he dealt with Iraq. This is the only one which I've seen which brings up that he did talk to Iraq.

[piasa]

I have also noticed - actually it sort of gets in a person's face- that there are a lot of very desperate people trying to claim Iraq didn't have a viable nuke program nor an intention to restart one.

One example is the shrillness and misinformation out there on the business of the aluminum tubes mentioned by Powell.

(The Libyans for example, tried the high strength aluminum tube method before jumping onto Khan's newer model, one which uses a special steel not as subject to corrosion as the former. Yet Libya had quite a shop full of aluminum left over from their R&D nuke efforts.) Here are some letters to the editor responding to the Wash Post writer Gelman, who had nearly wet his pants with glee claiming aluminum tubes referred to by Powell were not for use in a nuclear program. Of course, he managed to mischaracterize, mislead and misquote in an effort to make his point, as the letters to the editor from kay and General Meekin point out here:

Definitely worth a look here:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49199-2003Oct31.html

Note that the Washington Post made a number of HUGE errors in regard to Iraqi WMD and David Kay's investigation besides the aluminum issue.

[Athwart]

What do you think, Doctor, if Bush had not decided to take out both the Taliban and Saddam, would Musharraf have been able to get enough of his military and intelligence to work with him to expose and stop Khan?

You asked him, not me, but I think it goes way beyond that:

(1) I'm betting Musharref knew about the nuke sales. Why do you think Khan has been pardoned and allowed to keep his loot? So he'll have a good reason not to say, as a friend of his reported he told him, that his superiors knew about his activities.

(2) No way did Musharref voluntarily initiate the prosecution of Khan, a "national hero." There's another thread somewhere about how the U.S. came to him with clear proof and demanded action. We're keeping this low-key so as to give Musharref a plausible lie about it being an entirely internal matter, but this was a U.S. operation all the way.

(3) No way would Pakistan have acted unless they were terrified that the U.S. might take them out if they didn't. I'm betting that after 9/11, and a good look at the strategic map, we went to them and said: you want to be a friend regime, or an enemy regime? Afghanistan and Iraq gave them a good look at the fate of an enemy regime.

Now, try to imagine how much of this would have happened if Gore had been President. Or Kerry. This alone is enough to give Bush my vote.